i am doing so well in the mind and spiritual department. my source has tried to help me with the last of the trinity, the body. i can not find the best way to do this.

i feel VERY strong in the other two but my body is falling apart. my doctor told me to fix things in a hurry. i do understand that with out the body working well that it takes away from the other two, and as strong as i feel in them i can't imagine the betterment of them , how can i make all these changes at once?

asked 31 Mar '11, 21:15

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Quite right, Rob - it's a trinity...Mind, Body, Spirit and having any of them out of balance will act as a detriment to the others.

In my view, anyone who wants to start reaching towards their true potential as an incarnated human needs to examine all three of those aspects within their own life and find a place of harmony with each. And getting this balance right between the three has been one of my (many) obsessions over the years :)

I'll offer some suggestions below and you (or anyone else in a similar situation) can pick and choose to try any that you feel inspired towards.

For this answer, I'm ignoring Mind and Spirit and only concentrating on Body

Essential, Easy, Everyday Physical Balance

I figured out most of the following over a number of years of self-experimentation and then, some months ago, I stumbled across some recordings from Bashar that basically said the same things and would have saved me years of investigation if I'd known about them a long time ago.

The subject of bodily health is vast in itself but my view is that just taking care of the following three very simple physical cornerstones will go a long way to allowing the physical body to heal itself naturally, if it needs to, or just keep you in outstanding physical health if you are already healthy.

  • Water

    Super-hydration (drinking large quantities of water) is one of the ultimate secrets to great health that so many overlook. I think that's because it's difficult for anyone to make any money out of telling people to drink more water so very few have an incentive to spread this knowledge - and yet this simple act can completely transform your health.

    I challenge anyone in poor health to simply start drinking massive quantities of ordinary water daily for a month and then tell me they haven't noticed a massive improvement in their health and vitality.

    But it has to be water by itself, not in tea, coffee, soda or any other mixture...quit all of those plain water substitutes at least for now while you try this approach. Ordinary tap water is fine.

    How much to drink? Start off drinking a large glassful every hour or two throughout the day - I'm usually sipping fresh water most of the day, even right now - and then follow your bodily inspiration. You'll probably find after a week or two of doing this that you actually start to naturally crave water as you would have craved other drinks before. It's quite a remarkable feeling to actually look forward to nothing more than a fresh, clear, delicious glass of pure water!

    How do you know when you're not drinking enough? Bashar says that if you feel thirsty, you've gone too far and you're on the verge of dehydration - and I agree. That feeling of thirst is the body's last-ditch attempt to get you to drink more water. If you are drinking enough, you should never feel thirst.

  • Air

    A huge part of the main body is devoted to air processing through the lungs and that should give us a big clue as to the importance of fresh air.

    The number one improvement that most people could make immediately regarding air intake is simply to sleep with their bedroom window open to let fresh air circulate throughout the night.

    Spend a few nights with the window closed and a few nights with the window open and compare how you feel in the morning - and you won't need any more convincing about that for the rest of your life :)

    Choose locations to spend your time in based upon the quality of the air that is there and notice the difference in your vitality.

    Along with fresh air comes the importance of deep breathing. Abraham have stated that the real benefit of doing physical exercise is not the exercise aspect but the fact that it makes you breathe more deeply.

    For many years, I was a student of various "secret" mystical teachings and, within them, the importance and power of the human breath in performing extraordinary feats was really brought home to me. It's a vast subject area and well worth investigating further.

    As a pointer to get anyone interested started, consider that taking a deep full breath of fresh air and then holding it firmly trapped within your lungs for as long as you possibly can (I can go for a few minutes) will really supercharge and vitalize the physical body. It's one of the fastest and quickest methods I know for "charging" your entire body.

  • Detoxification

    To me, this is the last remaining key to physical health. We live in a world that is increasingly polluted in more and more ways. It almost doesn't matter where you live anymore, you are going to be subject to this increasing pollution through the water you drink, the food you eat and the air you breathe.

    But the physical body is still capable of adapting if we let it. The thoughts we think (keeping ourselves in The Vortex) play an essential part in allowing the body to take cleanse and repair itself naturally but that's outside the scope of this physically-based answer.

    Detoxifying our bodies regularly keeps everything running smoothly and allows the body to naturally remove any build-up of toxins.

    Most people know of the value of eating fresher, rawer foods and participating in occasional body fasts for this purpose.

    But I'd like to suggest something unusual here that came directly from Bashar.

    When I first came across it, some months ago, I was intrigued because a channelled being was suggesting some very particular physical substances to use on a daily basis for a very specific purpose. Normally, channelled beings talk about more abstract subjects but this was quite a physically-based suggestion...so naturally I had to try it for myself :)

    Here's what Bashar recommends taking on a daily basis...

    • 2,000 to 3,000 milligrams of MSM (basically, organic sulfur) mixed with 2,000 to 3,000 milligrams of Vitamin C three times a day...so that means morning, noon and evening. I just mix it with fresh water and drink it. (Bashar says that for those with "acute" bodily conditions the dosage may need to be increased to nearly double but I have not tried this myself)

    • This seems to kick off enough natural detoxification for the body on a daily basis to allow it to deal with the everyday world we live in and gradually repair any physical damage that has accumulated over the years

    • The effect will probably not be immediate but, probably within a few weeks of taking it, you'll notice enough positive physical changes within your body that you will want to continue. My wife was highly skeptical about this idea but, after seeing her own bodily improvements from it, is now more enthusiastic than me!

    • Bashar also recommends a bodily fast twice a year but, for me, I don't feel the need.

Hope some of the above information is useful for someone - I've tried to stay away from all the usual "eat healthy, take exercise, quit smoking etc" sorts of mainstream suggestions and offer something a bit unexpected perhaps.

There are plenty of health books and philosophies out there but, personally, I think the simple steps and ideas outlined above will be enough to transform the health of anyone who tries them and then put them in a perfect vibrational place from where further useful health-based material will be inspired into their lives.

And for those of you who are aspiring towards exceptional levels of health, vitality and longevity, you may wish to really stretch your belief systems and take a look at: Is it possible to live forever, by manifesting that thought? :)

EDIT - Sep 4, 2012

Here is the recording of Bashar talking about the Vitamin C & MSM mix


answered 31 Mar '11, 22:53

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edited 04 Sep '12, 17:43

Great thought out answer. Sometimes easier read than applied.

(31 Mar '11, 23:15) you

Amazing answer, will have to try this out. Thank you.

(01 Apr '11, 02:32) Nikki777

THANK YOU i appriciate it so much that you put your time and effort into doing this for me. i am sooo happy with this group! love and light and i will work on this !

(01 Apr '11, 14:41) TReb Bor yit-NE

one of my issues is caffiene. i drink massive quantitys of pop and coffie, if i sipmly drink water how do i get away from the massive caffine withdraws and the horrible headaches involved?

(01 Apr '11, 14:44) TReb Bor yit-NE

http://www.msmforless.com/mfg.htm A site I found with some info on MSM

(01 Apr '11, 15:48) ursixx

Can someone recommend a particular MSM or Vitamin C product?

(01 Apr '11, 18:16) Nikki777

@TReb Bor yit-NE - Yes, you are probably going to suffer caffeine withdrawals for a few days (or more) depending on your current level of addiction to it and perhaps the artificial sweeteners in the sodas. The MSM/Vitamin C combination will nullify that a bit but probably not completely. I don't really have an easy answer for you but one thing you may wish to consider is molding yourself into someone that has never had a caffeine dependency. There is an explanation of this idea here in regards to smoking: http://www.scribd.com/doc/27194537/Bashar-How-to-Quit-Smoking-The-Demons-Way

(01 Apr '11, 19:04) Stingray

@Nikki777 - This is what I use... Vitamin C: http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/product_detail.asp?pid=119&prodid=490 MSM: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Doctors-Best-Best-MSM-Powder-250g_W0QQitemZ310293459712QQcategoryZ19262QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDLSL%252BSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D8%26pmod%3D310293236061%252B310293236061%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8153626929175532551#ht_1486wt_1139 The concentrations of these two products means that exactly a half teaspoon of each powder is needed - makes it simple to use

(01 Apr '11, 19:10) Stingray

When you have a natural craving for plain water, does it mean anything? Like maybe you are more spiritual or aligned than most people out there?

(06 Apr '11, 00:23) kakaboo

@Kakaboo - It means you want to drink some plain water :) I tend to disagree with those people (and even religions) that say that what you stick into your mouth (or feed into your digestive system) makes you more or less spiritual. If I stick a carrot in my ear, I'm just a person with a carrot in my ear, that's all :) The physical body tends to play by the rules of the physical world it exists in, so it will put forward cravings sometimes in order to indicate what it wants. If you are in a good-feeling place, you can trust those cravings

(06 Apr '11, 08:26) Stingray

@Stingray - I've done some searching around the web about MSM and heard that MSM powder tastes terrible if mixed with plain water.. is that true ? :-)

(15 Jan '12, 05:40) kakaboo

@kakaboo - Yes, powdered MSM in water by itself tastes pretty awful. However, the MSM/Vitamin C mixture described above - assuming the correct proportions are adhered to - actually tastes quite pleasant and refreshing. The Vitamin C taste offsets the MSM nicely

(15 Jan '12, 06:10) Stingray

Ok well the pharmacy I went to buy my first MSM only had them in tablet form so I guessed the taste wont matter much.. lol. Just one particular thing I am curious about - for a person who is completely healthy (like your wife) what kind of other improvements could they possibly see? If there were any improvements at all, wouldn't they be quite subtle and not so noticeable if they were still healthy to start with?

(20 Jan '12, 06:13) kakaboo

@kakaboo - For me and her, from a physical perspective, the most obvious result is that it just makes us look "radiant and glowing" - for want of a better phrase. Remember that basically all this combination does is a gentle, on-going detox so you are not going to physically notice the effects until the body has completed detoxing and frees up those energy resources that were previously engaged in the detoxing. Depending on your current state of toxification, that might take days or weeks.

(20 Jan '12, 06:32) Stingray

@Stingray Thank you for the recommendation of the MSM/Vitamin C. I bought a few pounds of each for a fairly cheap price on ebay to try and have been using it for about a week and a half now. I do have one question to ask. Did Bashar recommend taking the combo on a full or empty stomach? Maybe before or after you eat? I only ask this because I have been taking it pretty much randomly three times throughout the day and wasn't sure if there was a more optimal or beneficial way to drink it.

(30 Jan '12, 01:52) Cory

@Cory - Personally, I don't think it matters too much. Bashar didn't say anything about it. I always tend to drink water on an empty stomach out of habit...years ago I was very much into food combining/Natural Hygiene sort of stuff and it was recommended not to dilute stomach digestive juices by drinking water straight after meals so I've just had that habit for many years now. As I said, I don't think it matters

(30 Jan '12, 01:58) Stingray

Thanks for the answer Stingray. I didn't think it mattered much either. I just wanted to be sure that there was or wasn't a wrong way to take it.

(30 Jan '12, 02:14) Cory

This is interesting to me, as I have msm at home and take it occasionally. I also use homemade msm cream daily.

How much is 2000 mg in teaspoons, approximately? My only issue with this is that taking msm in large quantities leads my skin to break out into huge spots that leave scars. I've read that this passes after a while but I found that wasn't the case for me. Perhaps if I start with a smaller amount and work my way up...

(05 Feb '12, 10:37) cassiopeia

@cassiopeia - I can't say how many teaspoons because it depends on what the concentration is of the MSM you already have. I spent a long time on the internet finding Vitamin C and MSM powders whose concentrations matched closely. In other words, every day I only need a half-teaspoon of each for each "dose" to get the required effect. It makes it simple. Please note that Bashar is not suggesting to take either MSM or Vitamin C alone - it's the combination of them that is being recommended

(05 Feb '12, 10:48) Stingray

Just to update this thread and save anyone interested from a few hours of internet searching, this is what I'm currently using. (A half teaspoon of each powder is pretty much 2,000 mg) Vitamin C & MSM

(05 Feb '12, 10:56) Stingray

@Stingray, I know I am late to this super-hydration party but have recently started drinking heavily..water that is:) and was wondering should I go room temp or chilled when stumbled upon this article: http://www.drdarden.com/readTopic.do?id=383704 who suggests ice cold chilled

What do you recommend? Chilled or at room temp? what's your experience? Thanks

(25 Jul '12, 11:21) Xoomaville

@Xoomaville - I've heard people suggest chilled when they are talking about using this approach for losing weight since taking in cold water uses up more energy within the body when bringing it up to body temperature. Personally I don't think it matters at all. Then again, I always have chilled where possible but that's only because, as a person, I'm always feeling very warm and so I tend towards things that cool me down. You'll recognize me because I'll be wearing a T-Shirt on a freezing day :)

(25 Jul '12, 13:22) Stingray

@Stingray, thanks...yea, me too...can be the coldest night of the year and I would want to sit out to enjoy it:) I think the room temp water is easy to get it down as I am not sipping yet but gulping steadily...oh man, the trips to the loo are...that's another story:)

(25 Jul '12, 13:32) Xoomaville

Abraham talking about Super-Hydration (and other health topics): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhEyMmM_oxk

(24 Aug '12, 20:21) Stingray

@stinngray thank u brother, this is absolutely great !

(25 Aug '12, 10:35) TReb Bor yit-NE

@Stingray - Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I just received these in the mail and want to make sure I'm doing it right...is the 2,000 to 3,000 milligrams of MSM and Vitamin C per serving, three times a day, or total per day, divided into 3 servings? Thanks so much.

(04 Sep '12, 15:26) lozenge123

@lozenge123 - It's that serving (2,000 to 3,000 milligrams of MSM and Vitamin C) three times a day, though I'm lazy and rarely have it more than twice a day but I still notice beneficial effects. I've now uploaded the recording in which Bashar mentions Vitamin C and MSM, and added the link to my answer above

(04 Sep '12, 17:50) Stingray

@Stingray - Thanks very much for the clarification and new info. I've just started on the regimen...this stuff sure packs a zing! Thanks again and all best.

(06 Sep '12, 15:04) lozenge123

My 1kg pouch's of MSM and Vitamin C arrived earlier! wow this stuff is potent. After drinking the one glass it felt like I was buzzing. If anyone is interested buying 1kg of each from ebay worked out at almost the same price as buying nearly a quarter of that from holland and barratt. Thank you stingray for providing us with this information.

(05 Dec '12, 09:08) lastplacefavourite

Hi Stingray, Do you use / recommend calcium ascorbate or sodium ascorbate for Vitamin C? I posted a question earlier about Bashar's program here: http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/77186/a-question-about-bashars-vitamin-c-msm-program

Thank You Much!

(17 Apr '13, 15:07) Soulful Adrenaline

Working out?... its vital for the body too.. none of them on its own is compulsory since eventually its the mind... but before you have that level of belief you need to try somethings that are physical in nature.. i like all your suggestions of water, air and detox but would think add working out too... best to try diff things and see how your body reacts... for me working out is #1 - its the best thing and i love it. But of course i am not saying its same for everyone...

(06 Nov '13, 18:27) abrahamloa
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You believe you are well in both mind and spirit, but if you were well in mind and spirit then you wouldn't be needing a physician for body. These three components act in accordance with each other. If one fails then all fail. The body does not operate without the mind nor the spirit and vice versa. We are able to feel fine during sickness, but that doesn't mean we're fine. Begin searching for modes of physical support. There are many modes to get you there, but you must find the mode or modes that work best for you. Once you find it you'll know and once you know you'll do and once you do you'll realize how unwell you were in those areas of your life.


answered 29 Jan '12, 13:13

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TY it is a great answer and i appreciate it very much. love n light

(15 Feb '12, 08:52) TReb Bor yit-NE

Rob, I have a few suggestions: To stay physically fit, you can join a Gym, and work along with a Fitness Coach for whole body benefits!

Your doctor can refer you to a Nutritionist to help you to eat right, and to stay healthy for whole body benefits!

And perhaps you can work along with a Spiritual Teacher of your choice to help you to focus and to stay discipline, to achieve your whole body benefits!


answered 22 May '11, 04:26

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thank u vee, sense i posted this i have lost 30 lbs. even though the last week has been an issue . but i am keep going!! ty soo much, love n light

(22 May '11, 13:58) TReb Bor yit-NE

Happy to hear you have lost 30lbs, stay focused, and work towards your goals!

(26 May '11, 05:18) Inactive User ♦♦

wow trebor! thats awesome.

(06 Nov '13, 18:28) abrahamloa
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not sure if it equalization that needs to be worked on, rather a balance of the '3' before the choice of action is taken.
as creatures of habit the undeveloped or less used character within us may need to be awakened, it's needs addressed.
under a friendly plan; the body controlled by the mind under the guidance of the spirit.
yet it is you who makes the choice,
do you know who you are?
then balance may be achieved


answered 22 May '11, 23:15

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Good question- apart from the usual advice, that is, healthy eating, regular exercise...you could try using what i like to think of as natural magic.

servranx provide a graphic called "acti-force homme" (for males),


This graphic is very easy to use, just place your own sample (saliva, blood...) on the central black circle for a while until you feel better. It is specially designed to drain toxins and tiredness and replaces them with new fresh natural energies.

if you have a stressful relationship with your partner, they suggest that your partner should carry out a similar cure at the same time using this graph, "acti-force femme" (for females),


In a couple there are always opposite interactions, both performing the cure at the same time lessens these effects.


answered 06 Aug '11, 11:01

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The flow of energy through the mind, body, spirit complex is interactive, just like on swings and roundabouts, there's always balance ... a weak physical body indicates rebalancing is needed. Here's an easy method to regain and maintain a good equilibrium.

It's a healing apparatus based on geometric shapes and uses the magnetic field of metallic selfs and the phenomena of dispersion and evocation. The top part of the drawing is a regular four sided polygon with a large central black spot, there's a numbered grid in the middle and at the bottom is a ten sided regular polygon again with a central black spot.

All you need to do is place a photo of the person to be treated on the square and a simple written formula of what you want to heal on the decagon.

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Take two small metallic selfs of about ten turns each, an upward clockwise spiral (s), the other a downward clockwise spiral (z)

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and use a pendulum to determine on which case of the grid to place each self. The selfs should be placed with great care in the case chosen by the pendulum and should be nicely vertical.

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They assure transmission by vertical vibrations and act on the organs of the person even at great distance. Their spirals on 's' and' 'z' give rise to a reaction, a kind of circulation of energy within the body of the person exactly at the places needed.

The apparatus works best when orientated north south and can be left in place from 20 minutes for up to a whole night after which it's dismantled. It can be used regularly on a daily basis for example, can easily be made or can be purchased from servranx



answered 06 Nov '13, 11:00

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have you tried this?? and it worked?

(06 Nov '13, 18:29) abrahamloa

yes @abrahamoa i enjoy using this method, i feel it does make a difference

(07 Nov '13, 08:55) jaz

discipline the body rob if you are strongh in the superior state mind spirit the body should be easy to master! in meditation you master the body then the mind then the spirit! from what i read you have addiction to cafeine! what does cafeine do for you make you awake or make you sleep? if so change it for something else that can give you the same effect with out getting you addict to it! if you have the will to do something nothing can stop you rob! i once stopped smoking i told my self that each time i took a puff of cigarette i would do 20 push up!after 1 week i did not smoke anny more! and it made me get in shape at the same time! so replace something with something better and have the will to do it! good luck rob!


answered 21 May '11, 03:47

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ty my freind,, teh caffene has less to do with being awake or sleep,, it has to do with having HORIBLR head aches if i do not. i have a very higly addictive behavior,,, i have an issue with pain,, i was addicted to opiates so i fear pain,,, i know i have a natural tolerance to pain medicine ansd if i get hurt its very hard to face the pain,,, this is a fear that i am working on,, ty my great freind,, i know we do not always agree on subjects,, but u are a great person and i thankl u 4 ur love n passion,, love n light!!!

(21 May '11, 12:50) TReb Bor yit-NE

did you try aspirin or tylenol for pain? or did you try to mentally over come pain? leave pain in ignorance and focus on something else!

(21 May '11, 16:45) white tiger

if you always have head aches you should consult a doctor you might have hemoragy making pressure in your skull!

(21 May '11, 16:48) white tiger

no no no i ONLY get bad headaches with out caffien,, its a tyopical withdrw sympotom for someone with a very very very high caffiene intake like me, i ONLY get them if i do NOT have caffiene srry lol,, didnt make that clear, i appologise :-) love n light

(21 May '11, 17:26) TReb Bor yit-NE

try hot chocolate rob!or tomato juice or orange juice switch to something else! you can do it! if you have the will nothing can stop you!you will see it will become clear! every journey of a thousand step start with one step! so make the first step and keep on walking! good luck rob!

(21 May '11, 19:29) white tiger

fear is the only darness grasshopper! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5kBqrHphjo

(21 May '11, 21:50) white tiger

darkness sorry for typing error

(21 May '11, 21:55) white tiger

posting for the greater good and knowledge here: you get withdrawals (does this not show you how bad it is for your body in the first place) when you are trying to stop. you're not alone in this! go off the caffeine (and processed sodas) for good! easiest to do is to replace caffeine drinks with homemade (soda syrup) versions, juice, decaf teas, and water (you can also, tweak with fruit and veg slices). for me: caff. sodas are detrimental to my thyroid and is an overload for my body.

(18 Apr '13, 13:06) ZenMama
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