In the original Star Wars (for those of us young enough to remember), Obi Wan Kenobi said

The force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things; it surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together.

Is this how the collective (or universal) consciousness works, or is it something else?

asked 14 Nov '09, 18:40

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edited 02 Feb '12, 21:16

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Barry Allen ♦♦

As above so below, as below so above. our mind is the sum total of all conscious cell and energy form in our being. the same with the unversal consciousness.


answered 14 Nov '09, 21:22

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I don't understand your answer. Could you elaborate?

(14 Nov '09, 22:01) Vesuvius

Existence is conscious energy in forms. different forms of energy and different levels of consciousness. but as a whole, it's one consciosuness without separation. just like our body .. our mind is not only our brain. but also the sum total of all conscious cells and energy forms within us. but at the same time, it acts as one. even when there many different - individual - actions taking place within this whole one being. the trick is .. we believe that individual or personal level of consciousness is the highest form or level of consciousness , so we concluded that ..

(14 Nov '09, 23:47) Adel

God or the mind beyond/above all that exists .. is also personal. we gave it names and characters, then imagined or concluded that it must have its own will, so we looked for ways to follow this will. and the story never ended since then. and it all started with one false belief based on wring/false logical conclusion. but - in my opinion - and as science proved .. it's not personal at all. so - in conclusion - our own unnpersonal mind is our true higher self. it's who we really are. the personal self is a limited expereince. in cosmic sense, it doesn't even exist.

(14 Nov '09, 23:54) Adel

as millions of body cells are born and die every second .. so as we, as individuals. the true self, the real being .. is the whole body. the total mind. or what we now call, the superconscious mind.

(14 Nov '09, 23:56) Adel

+1 A much better answer with the comments included.

(15 Nov '09, 00:08) Vesuvius

Thanks Vesuvius, will include more details in all answers :)

(15 Nov '09, 00:16) Adel

@Adel - i really enjoyed reading your explication thanks :)

(03 Feb '12, 00:12) blubird two
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I believe this is akin to the story of the grape vine.

John 15:5 (Read all of John 15)

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

So this question, it is the same as saying does the vine exist because of the branches or do the branches exist because of the vine? They are one and the same there can be no separation from the vine of the branches or they die all are the same so the branch may feel separate and worship the vine as separate be the branch is actually the vine. This is like I could look at someone and call him John or I could look at him and call him, the arms legs, the hands, the feet, the head and torso of John, I can expand on that for I can just hear now a whole bunch of separatist saying what about us? So expanded fingers, toes, eyes, ears, nose, hair of John, opps can't forget the cells they are separate individuals too apart from John. I could keep going or I could just say John and that includes everyone.

All One, All God.


answered 02 Jan '10, 20:14

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Wade Casaldi

you are a leaf on a tree. you are not the tree but are part of it. god is the tree. the tree is the universe. the golden light comes from God and go in all direction. and we all share using that golden light at the speed of light. you are made in the image of God has the spirit(God's children).

  1. Jesus said, "A grapevine has been planted apart from the Father. Since it is not strong, it will be pulled up by its root and will perish."

  2. His disciples said to him, "Who are you to say these things to us?"

"You don't understand who I am from what I say to you.

Rather, you have become like the Judeans, for they love the tree but hate its fruit, or they love the fruit but hate the tree."

  1. Jesus said, "Grapes are not harvested from thorn trees, nor are figs gathered from thistles, for they yield no fruit.

Good persons produce good from what they've stored up; bad persons produce evil from the wickedness they've stored up in their hearts, and say evil things. For from the overflow of the heart they produce evil."

  1. Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established [itself], and appeared in their image.'

If they say to you, 'Is it you?' say, 'We are its children, and we are the chosen of the living Father.'

If they ask you, 'What is the evidence of your Father in you?' say to them, 'It is motion and rest.'"

57 Jesus said, "The Father's kingdom is like a person who has [good] seed. His enemy came during the night and sowed weeds among the good seed. The person did not let the workers pull up the weeds, but said to them, 'No, otherwise you might go to pull up the weeds and pull up the wheat along with them.' For on the day of the harvest the weeds will be conspicuous, and will be pulled up and burned."

  1. Jesus said, "Two will recline on a couch; one will die, one will live."

Salome said, "Who are you mister? You have climbed onto my couch and eaten from my table as if you are from someone."

Jesus said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father."

"I am your disciple."

"For this reason I say, if one is whole, one will be filled with light, but if one is divided, one will be filled with darkness."

  1. He said, "A [...] person owned a vineyard and rented it to some farmers, so they could work it and he could collect its crop from them. He sent his slave so the farmers would give him the vineyard's crop. They grabbed him, beat him, and almost killed him, and the slave returned and told his master. His master said, 'Perhaps he didn't know them.' He sent another slave, and the farmers beat that one as well. Then the master sent his son and said, 'Perhaps they'll show my son some respect.' Because the farmers knew that he was the heir to the vineyard, they grabbed him and killed him. Anyone here with two ears had better listen!"

  2. Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

  3. A [person said] to him, "Tell my brothers to divide my father's possessions with me."

He said to the person, "Mister, who made me a divider?"

He turned to his disciples and said to them, "I'm not a divider, am I?"

  1. Jesus said, "The crop is huge but the workers are few, so beg the harvest boss to dispatch workers to the fields."

  2. Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.

Split a piece of wood; I am there.

Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

  1. Jesus said, "Why have you come out to the countryside? To see a reed shaken by the wind? And to see a person dressed in soft clothes, [like your] rulers and your powerful ones? They are dressed in soft clothes, and they cannot understand truth."

  2. A woman in the crowd said to him, "Lucky are the womb that bore you and the breasts that fed you."

He said to [her], "Lucky are those who have heard the word of the Father and have truly kept it. For there will be days when you will say, 'Lucky are the womb that has not conceived and the breasts that have not given milk.'"

  1. Jesus said, "Whoever is near me is near the fire, and whoever is far from me is far from the (Father's) kingdom."

  2. Jesus said, "Images are visible to people, but the light within them is hidden in the image of the Father's light. He will be disclosed, but his image is hidden by his light."

  3. Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your images that came into being before you and that neither die nor become visible, how much you will have to bear!"

  4. Jesus said, "Why do you wash the outside of the cup? Don't you understand that the one who made the inside is also the one who made the outside?"

  5. Jesus [said], "The Father's kingdom is like [a] woman. She took a little leaven, [hid] it in dough, and made it into large loaves of bread. Anyone here with two ears had better listen!"

  6. Jesus said, "The [Father's] kingdom is like a woman who was carrying a [jar] full of meal. While she was walking along [a] distant road, the handle of the jar broke and the meal spilled behind her [along] the road. She didn't know it; she hadn't noticed a problem. When she reached her house, she put the jar down and discovered that it was empty."

  7. Jesus said, "The Father's kingdom is like a person who wanted to kill someone powerful. While still at home he drew his sword and thrust it into the wall to find out whether his hand would go in. Then he killed the powerful one."

  8. Jesus said, "The heavens and the earth will roll up in your presence, and whoever is living from the living one will not see death."

Does not Jesus say, "Those who have found themselves, of them the world is not worthy"?

  1. Jesus said, "Damn the flesh that depends on the soul. Damn the soul that depends on the flesh."

  2. His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"

"It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, 'Look, here!' or 'Look, there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it."

We are all the offspring of God in the sense we are His products of the creative work of God (Acts 17:25ff), all men are not the children of God in a personal sense as a father with a son. Scripture teaches that God only dwells in those who have put their faith in Christ. All others, while God’s offspring by creation, have been separated from Him because of sin. When a person turns to God by believing in His Son, Jesus Christ, they are spiritually regenerated, born anew, given new life, justified (declared righteous in Christ), forgiven of all their sin, past, present, and even future, and made children of God (John 1:12-13). At the same time, at the moment of faith, God the Holy Spirit comes to indwell their lives to enable them to experience fellowship with God and understand, grasp the truth of Scripture in a personal and meaningful way.


answered 03 Feb '12, 00:22

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white tiger


When a person turns to God by believing in His Son, Jesus Christ... So now you believe then, white tiger?

(03 Feb '12, 07:31) Eddie

i am over belief Eddie i am in faith. what role has a witness Eddie?

(03 Feb '12, 14:17) white tiger
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