I have heard people in church say to believe that you have already been healed and to accept the healing. In the LOA I hear people saying to believe that it is yours and feel the excitement or joy as if you already have it. That makes sense. But, where do we draw the line between faith and delusion? I read this question about manifesting what he wants, then noticed a comment about another question by the same author not getting what he wants. I don't know the purpose of the question claiming he manifests what he wants, and I am not saying this person is delusional, but it helped me to see how someone could become delusional. So, where do we draw the line between faith/belief and delusion?
Personally I no longer equate Faith and belief. For me this whole journey has been about dropping the beliefs I have and rather than adopting new ones I think it is more about tapping into and trusting the knowing that resides within.
Letting go and having faith are undoubtedly keys on this journey and our own self delusions are the only things that ever really hold us back. I don't think we can step into full realization of our true self and our potential without that element of faith, and I think the only way to differentiate between that and delusion is to trust how we feel.
When we tap into that inner knowing, doubt begins to loosen it's grip and we actually begin to trust and have faith in this whole process called life ( Or God, Source or whatever else you want to call it).
answered 17 Nov '11, 03:22
delusion for one, is one mans truth. truth is al from perspective and as we create our own existance, we will create our own truths and delusions. so in honesty, it doesnt matte as long as we know where we personaly stand and what we belive.
love n light,
answered 17 Nov '11, 18:54
TReb Bor yit-NE
there comes a time when you decide on a purpose for your life,
answered 16 Nov '11, 21:53
well if you are still in belief you are in delusion. because belief are not really all true. if you have faith you are not in delusion no more. because faith is over belief.
example: some one believe that he is perfect but he gets mad after people because he judge them to not be has perfect has him. by the fact that he gets mad and judge them he is not perfect . so you see that is belief is wrong and he is in delusion. but if that person would have faith and drop all is belief even be ready to die and meet God and sit down and meditate. then eventually he would make it and he would be born again(tathatgata). then he would trully be perfect in the eyes of God.
Jesus Teaches Nicodemus 1 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.” 3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]
9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[e] 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[g]
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
John Testifies Again About Jesus 22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized. 24 (This was before John was put in prison.) 25 An argument developed between some of John’s disciples and a certain Jew over the matter of ceremonial washing. 26 They came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan—the one you testified about—look, he is baptizing, and everyone is going to him.” 27 To this John replied, “A person can receive only what is given them from heaven. 28 You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Messiah but am sent ahead of him.’ 29 The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. 30 He must become greater; I must become less.”[h]
31 The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. 32 He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony. 33 Whoever has accepted it has certified that God is truthful. 34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God[i] gives the Spirit without limit. 35 The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands. 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
experience and enjoy.
answered 17 Nov '11, 00:47
You can believe whatever you want to. Therein lies the answer to all questions about Belief. Faith is an entirely different subject. And neither relate to a valid construct for living. Your question did not include Hope....which is the reason we get up everyday. But sadly, it is also the entryway to Belief which is where, for me, all Hope for humanity is lost, as Beliefs are the largest impediment to universal understanding.
Hope leads first to Faith, which then slides easily into Belief. This is where "the line" must be drawn. Between hope & faith. Hope is all we need. With a healthy dose of compassion, of course.
answered 19 Nov '11, 06:29
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