In a response to Stingray's answer to their question the user 'I Think Therefore I Am' said:
Something we discuss here and acknowledge is the ability to shift our surroundings to meet or desires. A point I haven't seen is other people and how they play into this ability.
What happens if another person is trying to manifest an opposing idea to one of your own? If there is or can there be a 'battle', who wins? If this situation is not possible, why do you feel that way? If you believe battling wills IS possible, do you believe there is an all-powerful being, (someone who cannot be defeated in a battle of wills) as far as manifestation is concerned?
[*Edit: Since I failed in appropriately explaining the correlation between these questions, (not the first time I've had this problem, and likely not the last) I reworded the above and I will try to explain myself more clearly below. If you see a way to clarify all of this into a more simple but still equally concise manner, I encourage you to do so.] My first and 'real' question is this: What happens when two people try to manifest opposing outcomes to a situation. From that point there are a few possible answers, but no matter the answer the question I would pose next if I were actually having a back-and-forth conversation would be one of the questions listed above, depending on the response.
The reason I include the next logical steps in my conversational path is so a person can suitably explain their response from the beginning, instead of me asking for more details as a sub-comment, then having them respond as a sub-comment, and so on. It is much more difficult to read for me personally, and I strongly prefer being able to see all of the information organized together in one place as the person responding sees appropriate.
The question has been closed for the following reason "Duplicate Question" by Kathleen Kelly 30 Dec '11, 11:29
Since this is a question seeking the sharing of opinions, here is my own on the subject. As always I'm interested in hearing everyone's opinion on the topic, as well as any thoughts on my personal opinion as well.
A question arises: If I can change ANYTHING, then I am God and everybody is just a figment of my imagination and basically I'm bored and playing hide and go seek by myself. Luckily, I don't believe life is a 'one player' game, so to speak.
My response to this is simple: The power of manifestation isn't an absolute, since I don't believe in absolutes. So realities and creations?"
I believe every person has a 'will', their desire. The stronger their will, the stronger their influence on the outcome of any given situation they encounter. As such I believe situations where there are no opposing forces or very weak opposing forces (such as randomly generated numbers) are easy for anyone to influence the outcome of if they understand how to do it. This also means situations where there are strong opposing forces the more powerful your will must be.
The result of this is pretty simple: Reality is an accumulation of all of the beliefs of every living creature. If a new subject arises where there is no belief system in place, the person discovering it is much more capable of changing the result.
From there I believe there are two ways we can gain 'power'. The first being from within ourselves, as we all have a 'generator' so to speak, which is capable of creating an incredible amount of energy, the likes of which we haven't even begun to imagine yet. The second is from the energy which is created through our bonds with other living creatures. This energy can be shared through positivity or negativity, and upon being received it can be accepted, rejected, or redirected just like momentum. Of course rejecting energy requires more power than redirecting it, and if the energy we try to reject is too strong it can overwhelm us.
So I believe every time we meet a new person we create a bond. The strength of the bond is determined by the influence you have on one another. The energy we share is also decided by us, and how we think of one another. If we have positive thoughts about a person or group of people, we are giving them power. If we have negative thoughts about a person or group, we are trying to weaken them.
Most people assume weakening everyone around them will make them 'stronger' because of relativity, but in actuality it makes everyone weaker.
For an example: I think life is a game which works like this:
Every time we divide ourselves into groups, identities, or associations we create a new 'entity' that has a point value, we can call this 'power' or 'will'. The power of an entity starts at 0, and is made stronger as it is given more power by those around it. Whenever two groups meet through any form of interaction (even ones we aren't capable of perceiving currently) there is an exchange of power. Party A decides if they are going to think positively or negatively of Party B, and that determines the kind of energy they share. Party B decides the same, and the result is the same. Neither party knows what kind of energy the other is sending, unless they are capable of perceiving these energies, which most people are not. (For the sake of THIS explanation, assume positive energy is 'green' and negative energy is 'red') If A decides to hold up a 'green sign' so to speak, then B gets an increase to their power equal to how much A decided to give them. For the sake of simplicity lets assume a +5 If a red sign is 'held up', then the target loses -5.
So what happens if both sides hold up red signs? Both lose -5 points, and the cumulative result is a -10 between the two. If both sides hold up green signs, both gain +5 points, and the cumulative result is a +10 between the two. If one holds up a green sign and the other holds up a red, then the recipient of the green sign will get +5, and the other will get -5, resulting in a net change of 0.
The above game was a challenge posed to a class of mine in highschool, where we were told no rules nor objectives, only what you've been told here. Each group has points, this is how points are distributed, there are this many rounds before the game is over, no more questions for the teacher.
From the first moment I looked at this and realized it was a zero sum game as long as there was one green and one red, a cumulative loss if both sides were red, and a cumulative gain if both sides were green. Since we were not given an objective, I concluded the best result for everyone would be to choose green.
As it turned out, the challenge was between different classes, and the one with the highest cumulative score was the winner. My class beat every other class by an incredible amount, 4/6 of the participants ending either with a 0 score or with less than they started with.
The morale of this story is similar to what is expressed in the video "Occupy Wall Street: The Occupation Is Love". An economist will say that more for you means less for me. A lover knows more for you means more for me as well, because your happiness makes me happy.
I think that is how the balance of life works, and it is necessary to have different groups of people and individuals who interact with a balance of both positivity and negativity, but with an overall 'positive' gain for everyone.
As a result I think that people will naturally be drawn to any belief systems or activities that reward them with positivity, because it makes them stronger. And I believe that is how our reality is shaped, and why it is constantly changing as people come to new conclusions on how to best make the game fair for everyone involved.
answered 25 Nov '11, 02:43
leo i will ask you a question and i am sure that you can realize that you are not talking with the wind. you said 2 will oppose who win? what do you learn in martial art? if one push you pull if one pull you push. think about the yin yang symbol. so who do you think win? the one in harmony of course. be the circle. experience and enjoy.
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Aikido (合気道, Aikidō?) is a Japanese martial art developed by Morihei Ueshiba as a synthesis of his martial studies, philosophy, and religious beliefs. Aikido is often translated as "the Way of unifying (with) life energy" or as "the Way of harmonious spirit."
“The way of a Warrior is not to kill and destroy but to foster life, to continually create.” In Aikido one does not attack. “If you want to strike first to gain advantage over someone, this is proof your training is insufficient,” said O-sensei. Yet, one does not run or cower from attack either. Aikido is not passive. Rather, the Aikidoka lets the other attack and uses the attacker’s aggression or energy against him. In this way one can defeat an opponent through non-resistance by leveraging the other’s force rather than one using his own brute strength to resist.
Strive for harmony. Ki (気) can be translated as "life force" or "vital force" or more commonly as “spirit” or "energy." It is the living energy that flows through all things. Aikido teaches the student how to be in harmony with the spirit/energy of the universe and how to use this energy of life rather than resist it. In Aikido, force and energy is not about strength of the body, which is limited, but about the power of ki, which is limitless. "We can't control ki but we can create the ideal situation within ourselves for ki to work," says the late Aikido master Kensho Furuya. Proper mindfulness, stillness, presence, as well as relaxation of movement can help create the ideal situation for which this energy can flow.
Go with the flow. This may sound to you like some groovy expression from the ’60s, but it is actually very practical. “Going with the flow” does not mean to act passively—quite the contrary. Going with the flow comes from a place of total awareness and an understanding of how things actually are in reality. Remember the universe and nature are our greatest teacher. The energy of a stream, for example, flows through the forest smoothly having created its path around rocks and myriad natural obstacles. Or look how the bamboo in the same forest sways and bends in the wind but never breaks. When you remain calm and in harmony with your own personal state and the state of your surroundings your natural energy can flow smoothly, but if you resist and push back from a place of stress and anger your energy creates a discordance leading to bad results for all concerned.
Sensen no sen - The founder of aikido said: “It is not a question of either ‘sensen no sen’ or ‘sen no sen.’ If I were to try to verbalize it I would say that you control your opponent without trying to control him. That is, the state of continuous victory. There isn’t any question of winning over or losing to an opponent. In this sense, there is no opponent in aikido. Even if you have an opponent, he becomes a part of you, a partner you control only.”
Lets see you have asked six questions in one here.
1st question "Thoughts about what would happen if two powerful opposing manifestations meet?" See my answer to this here.
2nd question "Do you believe your manifestations have any limits?" Yes as the limits of my faith in God that he would do for me. He promises anything we ask is ours because we accept Jesus as our personal savior so we need to believe that or we are calling God a liar.
3rd question"What happens if another person is trying to manifest an opposing idea to one of your own?" again I say I answered this here.
4th question "Who wins?" same as 3rd answer.
5th question "Is this situation even possible?" Yes very possible as we see everyday and my Hope Diamond example, many billionaires want that, but only one owns it.
6th question "Is there such a thing as an all-powerful being, as far as manifestation is concerned?" Yes I believe so as Jesus taught us and he believed so and did amazing things, I have healed people cast out demons and manifested in Jesus name. It is easier to have faith in a God over everything than it is in your self. Like the old thought, "What can I do I am just a man?" Everyone experiences that. We are far more than that as Jesus taught us.
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