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# Densities, Dimensions, 3rd Dimension, are we where we think we are?

## My official question is this: Do you think the following interpretation of dimensions and reality is valid or invalid, and why?

Of course this means that this question is of a philosophical nature, and so if that is not your cup of tea then this is not a good question for you. ^_^

[Also: Should this question be marked community wiki? I was unsure, so if so please correct it.]

First, a few premises that explain what I understand most people to believe to be true.

1: We live in the third dimension.

2: There are other dimensions.

3: One can 'ascend' or 'descend' dimensions.

A question often posed to children to stimulate thought: "How do you explain to a two dimensional being what it means to be three dimensional?" This question of course was portrayed by use of a stick figure, because kids don't grasp "dimensions" very well.

This question, which many people can answer reasonably, created another question for me. How would you explain to a third dimensional creature the ideas of the fourth, fifth, or so on.

That is enough back story for now I think, to pose my thoughts on an alternative to these beliefs:

Let us examine the definition of dimension: "An aspect or feature of a situation, problem, or thing." And note a few synonyms: "measure" and "measurement". I'm sure some of you may already have identified where I am going with this.. (But I'm going to spend the next thousand words explaining myself just because I love to hear myself talk AND because I hate when people misunderstand what I'm trying to explain. ^_^ And of course the real reason which is not everybody will grasp my point as quickly as others. )

It is my belief that a dimension is a method by which one can measure relativity. As all things in life are relevant, even the concepts of time and space, then the only thing that separates one thing from another is its relativity to at least two other points. Without a minimum of 3 points you cannot identify distance or direction, you can only acknowledge the separation of the two points, or the lack of separation in one point.

And so, what dimension do humans live in? Well, we can use our eyes to see things. This gives us a minimum of three points of relativity. We have ourselves (our sense of self, the inexplicable sensation of being who you are. Impossible to prove via scientific method, but a known truth for anyone who is who they think they are. The fact that we are seeing outwards from 'behind' our eyes.) and we have the two pictures perceived by each of our eyes. Our brain automatically processes these two pictures and combines them to give us depth perception, and that is why when we rely on our eyesight alone we see in "3D".

So assuming our only perception was sight, we already have 3 'methods' or 'measurements' with which we can observe the world around us. Well, what about animals who do not use their eyes and instead see with 'sonar' (such as bats, using high pitched sounds bouncing off of objects to see in the dark). Since sound bounces in waves it is very difficult to say exactly how many points of reference this gives us. In a situation where there is large amounts of reverb (echo) then it could be quite considerable, whereas in a situation where there is little then it could be very slight.

So lets say that sound adds a minimum of one more form of measurement we can use to perceive life around us. That'd put us into the 4th dimension, or at least give us 4 forms of measurement at our disposal. Well, as I'm sure you can imagine I would continue this logic path all the way through each of the senses.

So if I were to explain the dimensions in this alternative method of understanding, it would look VERY different from most charts listing which dimension is which. My personal interpretation would be along these lines:

0: Zero does not exist. Zero is an 'idea', not a 'number' nor a 'dimension'. You cannot add/subtract zero, you cannot multiply or divide by zero. In advanced mathematics 0 can be used but only by breaking the rules, such as exponentials. There is a reason exponentials can be used to prove that 0 = 1, and it isn't because there is no such thing as 1, it is because 0 doesn't exist.

1: Self. You. The number one, a single entity.

2: 1 + 1, two "Selves". Independent of one another, but when standing close enough together they can be observed as one entity. Together, an "I" and a "You", or a "We".

3: The "Other". The "Stranger". In the case of three 1's coming together then it is three "others". In the case of one 'two' and one 'one', the two is an "us" or "we" and the one is still just the "other".

From here where can we go? Well, anywhere, we have 3 points of reference. All you need is the first 3 points, and from there you can build any shape in existence. Even a circle is comprised of two points and the line between, which is a 'point', 'dimension', or 'measurement' in and of itself.

So is the universe a duality, with a dark side and a light side? Yes, I think so, but I think there is also another universe out there that serves as the 'other'. [or perhaps, the space that separates the two universes is an entity of its own, such as the lines drawn in a yinyang that separate the light and dark sides, as well as the circle which encompasses it. Otherwise, why wouldn't it just be white and black with no borders in between?] This is why I do not believe in the concept that there is only one universe, because it contradicts my logical paths of thinking.

So from this basis I believe that each of our senses provides us at the very minimum of an extra 1 dimension, as far as "where we are" is concerned. Of course I also believe that each and every sense has a physical, spiritual, and mental side, and the cumulation of every spiritual and mental sense is what normal humans describe as a "sixth sense".

So with our 5 senses and our sense of "self", that'd put us at the 6th dimension at least. Since we have two eyes that work together to form one sense, I'd personally call that 7. And since we have two ears that work together to form another, I'd personally call that 8. We also have multiple limbs with which to touch, but I think that is actually a sense of what is you or what is not you, and so there is only ever a binary response, and so that I would consider a single sense.

If we were to go with my personal idea that each sense had a triality or trinity between body, soul, and mind/brain (the combination of body and soul), then we would be somewhere in the vicinity of the 24th dimension, at least.

So which dimension are we at specifically? Well, I believe that answer is whatever one we want to be on. I say "here" in "life" and "the present" this is in fact the "third" dimension in one particular perception, however I believe every dimension above the third dimension is built upon the foundation that IS the third dimension, and so without a solid starting point no higher dimension could exist.

This is why I believe the story in the Bible referring to the Tower of Babel is not meant to be taken literally, but instead is a reference to a process that happened over the course of eons. A process wherein life in this universe (the universe being the '1' here) started looking roughly the same, but as it grew outwards it began to 'jump dimensions', or rather use different methods of communication. And this is why we have some animals today who can communicate across great distances, such as elephants, whales, and snakes. And the manner in which all three of these communicate is extremely similar, coincidentally enough. =)

And so, thoughts on the idea that a 'universe' is an impossible and paradoxical concept [when left by itself], and we at least live in a triverse at an absolute minimum, if not more all the way up to infinity, a polyverse or omniverse?

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black dragon, what if each of it's kind has it's individualistic destiny, yet being interconnectedly woven by the same fire of life, that makes it all happen, a reason why each may have it's signature specific space in time.

(22 Dec '11, 00:13)

Yes, that is another interpretation of a very similar belief to the one that I express. I do believe there are different densities between each "kind", but also those of the same "kind". No two humans are perfectly alike, even twins. Likewise, I believe that no two of any other species are perfectly alike. Like the knowledge we have that every snowflake is unique and 'special', I believe that life in EVERY POSSIBLE MANIFESTATION is also unique and special, different from every other manifestation of life in one way or another, but always 'the same' in that life is powered by light, or 'God'.

(22 Dec '11, 00:34)

agreed, my term was signature specific or what is said as individuality

(24 Dec '11, 01:40)
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 0 Am I where I think I am? Sure I am, where else could I be? lol Densities, dimensions, 3rd dimension ... you may find the following video interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJJhHknEDPY&feature=iv&src_vid=M9sbdrPVfOQ&annotation_id=annotation_711184 answered 10 May, 10:46 jaz 231●3●8
 0 you say that zero does not exist. but in fact it does. easy example is :1-1=0 I could also put this(-1,0,1) so you see it is in the middle of -1 and 1 between a negative and a positive number. what about the universe beginning the big bang a small 0 that created this universe the big zero that keep expending it self for ever and ever. like a wave that goes in every direction or a drop of water falling in a pool of water. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TiAPym7ObA (>0<) after this we can talk about the eyes each eyes capture a image and only because you can calculate the distance and difference between each image it gives you a depth giving you 3d. that is why that a 3d movie gives you 2 superpose image and that you need to use polarize glass to look at it to foul your brain as seeing this flat image as image that as depth. then your brain calculate the difference between each image and gives you the depth of it making you see in 3d. if you would make two point on a paper A for the left eye and b for the right eye and trace a line in between you would not see any depth to it. if you would pull the middle of the line up toward you that would be the depth but since you are on top of it unless you are able to see it from angle of sight to see is depth you would not notice it or you would see it from the top when the middle of the line appear bigger to you then the 2 extremity. 3 point of reference is also use in mapping it is called triangulation. using compass you take 3 point of reference that you can see around you find 3 similar point of reference trace those degree on the map it will give you a triangle and you are in the middle of the triangle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation gps use the same thing to give you your position. it is mathematic from 3 point of reference. is the number of dimension important? only to calculate and understand how they all integrate together. you see if you would have only one eye you could not see in 3d or know the depth only because you have two eyes and they work as one that you can see the difference from the left and right perspective and know the depth. what about someone that is blind not having eyes he as no dimension? you will say but he as other sense touch, earing, smell, taste. and yes he can get better with those sense then you since he will have to use them more then you since he is missing sight. is it the number of sense that determinate the number of dimension we live in? example a blind can listen to tv and as no image only sound. some one can listen to tv and have sound and image. another one with 3d tv and 3d glass can look at it in 3d. with sound image and the 3d depth. are they not all in the same dimension only perceiving it differently? as for the tower of babel every one understand them self before it then when man created that tower and though them self as high as god it crashed and every man could not understand them self any more and where confuse in their thong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel what if their evolution for their own pride was to fast and they lost them self in it. each dividing them self and talking new language. look at today people thong there is a lot more then one and even some people that speak the same thong can have some difference between them. answered 10 May, 17:20 white tiger 20.4k●1●8●49

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