The main teaching of the Buddha is that "Desire is the root of Suffering"
The essence of the Gita (hindu scripture) is to "perform actions without desire for the fruits thereof."
On the other hand, we have LOA and books like "Think and Grow Rich" which teach that a burning desire is essential for success.
For most of us, desire is the fuel for action. Without desire where is the motivation to act ?
Enlightened people advocate the giving up of personal will so that your body becomes a channel for the divine will. Then when you have no desires of your own, you can say like Christ "Not my will but Thy will be done my Lord".
So my question is, is action possible without having any desires ? I mean if one truly gives up creating new desires, and all old desires that were already present from the past are all exhausted, and there is truly no more desire for anything in the present moment or in the future, then, will the divine will flow and act in such a person with spontaneous creativity and aliveness, or will this person become a vegetable as good as dead ?
asked 05 Jan '12, 12:58
I thought the main teaching of the Buddha was "Suffering and the end of Suffering." His teaching includes what you say: "Desire is the root of Suffering," however, I believe he was pointing out that unfulfilled ego desires lead to suffering and that's why it's beneficial to understand and then to transcend one's ego.
To answer your question, it doesn't seem possible to do anything without first having some kind of desire, otherwise there would be no volition to move in any direction and, as you say, we'd become a vegetable.
So how to get around this apparent paradox?
By living in the present moment of now, as much as possible, whilst understanding that you, as a total being do create all of your reality. And not succumbing to worry and doubt certainly results in a peaceful life experience, in which all of your desires, known and unknown, come to fruition.
Additionally, it’s worth understanding that once someone has begun to transcend their ego they realize that conception of a new idea (new desire) comes from their own higher self (the Christ within) and that is always free of ego desire. It’s free of ego desire because our higher self knows that the direction it desires us to move towards will serve us in a positive way and by its very nature our higher self does not contain the ideas of worry and doubt – they are in the domain of our physical mind or ego-self.
This statement by Jesus very clearly reveals that no one can reach true understanding concerning the idea of oneness or the one consciousness (the Father) unless they first realize that a) they have a higher self or higher mind and b) the spiritual higher self is the conduit between the physical self and the idea of oneness (Creator). The physical mind alone cannot reach this understanding.
Furthermore, Jesus never said follow me, as we've been led to believe by the intermediaries and interpreters, he said: “Be Like Me” because you are like me and when you remember this you will know the truth of life and the nature of reality.
Hello DesirelessAbundance, the phrase "giving up of personal will so that your body becomes a channel" leads to inspired action and provides the key to answering the question ... other actions are ego based ... there is a place for the ego to express itself in our physical world so long as it allows the free flow of inspired action. In everyday living conditions, we are put under pressure by surrounding conditions, that is our lot on earth ... unless we live alone and self-sufficient there are always people and circumstances that create needs therefore indirect desires within us.
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There is desire and than there is Desire with a capital D. One is ego based and the other is love based but without Desire we wouldn't be here.
When one helps others without wanting or desiring anything in return they do it from love and when one helpes others only to gain something from the experiance it comes from the Ego.
If the Budha or Jesus or whoever your saviour is had no desire to teach and help humanity we today wouldn't be having this discussion. The differance is that their Desire come from love and not the Ego.
God/Life/Love created us because of a desire for self expression so Desire is not wrong only understand that desire based on greed is not right and can cause suffering.
Any Desire that comes from love transends the Ego and becomes love.
answered 06 Jan '12, 04:43
I tend to think that had we no desire we would be depressed. As someone depressed does not want to do anything not even move his/her own body.
Every action requires a desire. Think about the act of walking, you walk because of desire to get someplace or for exercise, maybe even to relax. There is a desire that is fueling the action of walking. We talk because we desire to be heard or we would not care to talk. Again depression is one area where you have no desire to talk or be heard, because you feel "What is the point."
So I do believe we can be desire-less however, in this lack of desire we also have a lack of action, because we don't care, we have no desire to act in any way.
answered 05 Jan '12, 18:00
Desireless action. That would be force. To be forced into action. Slavery would be an example of desireless action. Work may also be considered a desireless action depending on the actioneer.
answered 21 Jan '12, 18:14
How could you not find it in the Gita? Go back and verify...
The whole of Karma Yoga is about desireless action
answered 22 Jan '12, 15:41
Desire in this context means attachment; fixation or be controlled by some thing outside oneself resulting in a chaotic lifestyle. This is different from desire. Desire is necessary for procreation. It is a part of us that we must be aware of and manage in a different way.
answered 23 Jan '12, 01:23
The Knights Alchemy
I like this chapter in the Tao Te Ching
And in this way all things would be at peace
So we need don't desire for our own "tranquility" but even if we don't desire, things work out anyways .
i will say this where does desire comes from from the ego. how many things you have desire in your life and are you yet satisfied? when you see someone in trouble that needs your help is it desire that will make you help him? or will you help him with out anny desire because it is the right thing to do? the journey is more important then the target. experience and enjoy.
13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+4&version=NIV
Yes, desire-less action is possible... We (people) do it everyday, when we wake up and go to a job that we despise, or stick it out in a relationship that is no longer satisfying.
However, I believe that in order lead a fulfilling life... Desire is absolutely necessary for any action to produce desired results...
I like to think of my desires as the energy of God seeking expression through me... Besides, aren't all of our desires a desire for improvement???
answered 26 Jan '12, 07:07
desire is of the earth,
answered 26 Jan '12, 21:13
The problem is with the english translation of 'niskama karma' into 'desireless action'.The word 'kama' has a much wider sense although it loosely translates to desire.Don't take anything literally, take the spirit of the teaching, reason and test it and after verifying it with our own experience, accept it.Otherwise, it's just baby prattle.
Whosoever was confounded by the Gita, please read it carefully.It is not a lame theory.People have lived by the Gita for ages and ages here in India, even before the Gita came.
Quoting from the Bhagavad Gita, chapter III, The Way of Action
1. By non-performance of work none reaches worklessness; by merely giving up action no one attains to perfection.
2. Verily none can ever rest for even an instant, without performing action; for all are made to act, helplessly indeed, by the Gunas, born of Prakriti.
3. He, who restraining the organs of action, sits revolving in the mind, thoughts regarding objects of senses, he, of deluded understanding, is called a hypocrite.
4. But, who, controlling the senses by the mind, unattached, directs his organs of action to the path of work, he, O Arjuna, excels.
5. Do thou perform obligatory action; for action is superior to inaction, and even the bare maintenance of thy body would not be possible if thou art inactive.
6. The world is bound by actions other than those performed for the sake of Yajna; do thou therefore, O son of Kunti, perform action for Yajna alone, devoid of attachment.
P.S.: What is with this thread not allowing more than 10 characters in the comments section.Is the site like this?
answered 23 Jan '12, 00:58
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