Getting into the vortex is the same terminology as feeling good, which is also the same as being one with God or Source.
Death is the equation in which your reunite with source.
Then why is suicide viewed as such a dark and horrible act, considering you will become one with source again?
I have accustomed my knowledge that everybody, including myself, is 100% respeonsible for the life they have created (that includes being born in whatever environment as well), and that every day you are creating your life. I have conditioned my brain to believe that we are always manifesting and responsible for everything that happens. If you ask, and you don't physically recieve, it is only your own fault.
And one of the solutions to negative being appears to pop under reuniting with God. Well, considering Abraham classifies every death as a metaphorical 'suicide', is the real act of suicide a bad idea?
asked 07 Jan '12, 09:27
Hi Nikulas, Suicide is wrong, wrong, wrong. Why? Because the most precious gift a human being has is the gift of life. Yes even our physical life. It is also extremly selfish for those that love us will blame themselves and go through a terible time mourning and thinking had they done things differently they could have prevented the loss of a loved one.
Everything you make them go through you will eventualy experiance yourself so you will be doing yourself a great wrong. Suicide is never the right answer and is in fact the most wrong thing to do.
You want to experiance God so do it some other way or wait your turn but don't choose the selfish way that will hurt others or make their lives miserable. Why not rather look at what is good in life, and yes even the most miserable have something good only they can't see it.
I do understand that the majority of people that take their own life do so out of desperation and depression and just want to end their suffering and misery permanently but to want suicide to experiance God is rediculus. I dont believe anyone would be that stupid and I think there is an underlying hiden cause and should be discovered and worked on so that a true cause can be found.
Dont take life so seriously just have fun and don't analyse everything that happens and think you caused it yourself for we do have God within us but it is only a drop in the ocean of God so lighten up and enjoy your life don't second guess it.
If you need help please seek it for it is there.
answered 08 Jan '12, 03:37
Well no it is not damnation, but people do not kill themselves to "be with god" they do it because their lives have become unbearable. I work part time on suicide hot-line and no one calls me and says : I feel good and I want to rejoin god" they say, my life is so messed up that I can no longer handle it!
love n light
If you want to see what suicide is to those that have achieved it check pages 108-127 of this book Thirty Years Among The Dead. You will see not only is Treb right about repeating trying to kill yourself over and over you will experience the anguish they go through as told by themselves. Not only this many times suicides are influenced by evil spirits and you don't know it until too late when you see your body and a dark man laughing at you. You wait out the time you would have lived on earth in the Earth plane feeling totally helpless and despair.
Over the weekend, the son of a business associate of mine from my old home town area took his own life. He was in his early twenties and at a party with friends, drinking. He brought his shotgun into the house and shot himself in the head, right in front of all his friends. Several of his friends were splattered with brain matter and blood. I'm sure his friends will NEVER forget this and will be traumatized for a very long time and some possibly for years and years. I know both his mom and dad and his older brother. They are good people and he comes from a loving family. His family is devastated - so much so - there are no plans for a funeral till the end of next week.
Nikulas, I hope you are still with us and you have found help. Please, please don't try this again. I don't know what your life is like - but I do know - God (Universe) loves you and wants you to live. Go for a walk - exercise, sun and fresh air - get back to nature - this will bring you closer to God. Right now, my mom is back in the hospital and I'm here with her - she's values life so and is not giving up - please don't give up either, Nikulas... Like Paulina and others have advised - seek help - there is help out there
Edited to answer the question:.
Ask yourself these questions: Why are you here? What is your purpose for being? Have you fulfilled your purpose for being here? What lessons were you sent here to learn? What does your soul need to learn to evolve; bringing it closer to God?
The Evolution of Your Soul
According to Hinduism, each lifetime is an opportunity to experience situations and events that bring you to a higher astral level where your soul moves closer to the nirvana of enlightenment and oneness with God. Every positive resolution of karma brings the soul closer to that nirvana, and every negative resolution pulls your soul further away. The further away your soul drifts from its central source and the further it finds itself from communion with God, the more likely you will find yourself reincarnated into lesser lives. These lesser lives introduce hardships and other opportunities for karmic resolutions that will elevate your soul toward that higher state of being.
To answer your question - suicide will cause soul debt and there will be karmic consequences. Have you heard of the law of cause and effect - for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction - Newton's 3rd Law of Motion....
Reincarnation and Suicide Mean Continued Hardship
In Hinduism (and many other beliefs of reincarnation), the act of suicide is a failure of the soul to resolve a karmic entanglement and learn the lessons that would achieve an evolved spiritual state of being. When someone contemplates suicide, whether it's because he's terribly depressed or in despair due to life circumstances, there are several spiritual events going on that very moment.
• The soul is faced with an opportunity to learn a significant life lesson and elevate that soul's position on the astral plane as well as improve the quality of its next life.
• The lifetime that is currently presenting so much anxiety and difficulty is a part of the natural progression that every soul must face at one point in order to achieve a higher evolutionary existence.
• The person is facing a karmic entanglement, and it is critical that the issue is faced head on and resolved.
When a person contemplates ending his or her life in an unnatural way, it is the result of the soul struggling to learn a lesson that's critical to its evolution to a higher state of being. This means that unless the lesson is learned, the soul won't progress. If the suicide is successful, the soul will be reincarnated into a lesser life that will lead to almost identical difficulties and hardship that must be faced once again.
Nikulas, if you really want to talk to God - try prayer
why is suicide not good?because you destroy the body in a selfish act. and lose the opportunity that you add choose to came here and experience. death is only a passage from one state to the other. does it reunite you with the source? on the moment no eventually yes. why because if you are empty and seek to remain empty you will lose your self in the darkness. also did you get rid of the delussion? the inside and outside of the cup is the same. if you are disturb here you will be also disturb there. if you loose the opportunity to experience this world you will also loose the opportunity to experience the other world. i hope this answer your question. experience and enjoy.
answered 07 Jan '12, 20:26
Hello Nikulas, yes i agree with most of what has already been said ... i would like to add that i think those who really go through the act of committing suicide have the belief that there is a better world else where ... sure they are driven by despair, but let's remember that all things contain their opposite, despair/hope ... in the last resort they dream of a wonderful life in paradise and obliterate from their minds all possible emotional pain that their suicide would cause to their family and friends.
answered 08 Jan '12, 03:01
You have a lot of heavy questions and topics of discussion...
I can say this: Suicide is a temporary solution to a permanent problem.
I'd advise reading all of the answers to this question, as it is of a similar nature: http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/18853/um-ive-been-very-suicidal-lately-should-i-tell-anyone?page=1&focusedAnswerId=18855#18855
I would re-write a new answer here from scratch, as it is what I feel, however I don't want you to feel like I'm merely copying myself and I'm sure my new answer will be very similar.
To directly answer your question: Life is God's gift to us.
The fact that you are permitted to exist, while seemingly insignificant to some [many], is the most precious blessing there is to receive.
And so, is 'suicide' a "cardinal sin"? Yea, sure.
Suicide is bad. Is it going to get you sent to hell? I don't think so, because I think 'hell' is a very misconstrued concept. Is it going to cause serious negative repercussions? I'd say so.
Obviously there are more things at work here than what you are leading on, if you want to talk to someone consider this an open invitation. If you're willing I have a lot of questions I'd like to ask you, such as Why do you desire to talk to God so badly?
Since the purpose of this question was "to meet with God" I feel like sharing something else..
First off: I love your display picture. Second, because of its origin I think you may find particular inspiration from an AMV that I love, not just because it features content from FF:Advent Children.
To quote the lines I find most relevant:
"There's no easy way out; There's no short cut home."
The adult friendly version, featuring Rocky IV clips. Artist: Survivor, song "No Easy Way Out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwPb7g_BlXQ
The way cooler version featuring screaming and/or harsh vocals and music. Arist: Bullet for my Valentine, same song name, with a FF AMV behind it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qHqCnfAuNY
The reason I enjoy this song so much is because I believe it holds a very important lesson about life. Regarding using 'suicide' as a 'shortcut' to get to God faster, I don't think it will work. It might, and I could always be wrong, but I think it will push you further away from God, not closer.
Similarly, I don't think there is a 'shortcut' to being able to talk to God consciously either. I believe it is meant to be learned, we are supposed to find God because we want to. The Bible always talks about God just wanting "attention" [paraphrasing] basically, that he wants our love unconditionally because we want to offer it.
To me having a church threaten you with damnation if you don't "willingly and unconditionally" love God is the exact opposite of what God wants.
Again this is all speculation, but I don't think that the goal of "getting back to the source" will actually be the result you get.
Philosophically suicide is not wrong thing; practically it is so much wrong. Death is returning to your source and connect to it, reuniting, impregnating with god to have the conversations you are desiring, which you can have also in physical life, so death is not dark thing and suicide is a path to it, the problem of suicide is that you are riding to your source not in your time, source only know the right time. Whatever challenges, pain you are facing now you cannot just end it up, because source is maintaining your soul to be ready to these conversations. Hinduism claims that when you die through reincarnation you keep your traits, your experiences within the soul to benefit in another life, other world as your belief, therefore through suicide you are shorten those experiences, so if the target is death leave it to its time, we are all having it now or later and I belief god time is the best time. Note that I used to interest in suicide in the same way of your description even I am enjoying life days so far, its like “source I wanna join you, melt in you,…” but when other day shows, other detail with new experience I bless life, and leave death to its time. If you really interested in death in positive way, love death in its time, don’t rush for your source because he only knows the right time for our reunited, and only then your conversations are enjoyable.
answered 08 Feb '12, 09:04
Source: The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events (A Seth Book).
Suicide involves a definite killing of the body by self-delivered means-often of a violent nature.
Left alone, the self and the body are so entwined that the separation would be smooth. The body would automatically follow the wishes of the inner self. In the case of suicide, for example, the self is to some extent acting out of context with the body, which still has its own will to live.
Too often in your society suicide is the unfortunate result of conflicting beliefs-and yet it is true to say that all deaths are suicide, and all births deliberate on the part of the child and parent.
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