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who is truly born again of water and the spirit and has enter the kingdom and talked with thy holy father?

the flesh is flesh and the spirit is spirit. many see only the outside of the cup but do not see the inside of the cup. they see water baptism as a external water cleansing of the flesh. but they do not see the inner water(SOUL:MIND/HEART)they do not see the inner light(SPIRIT).make your water calm and pure remove the darkness in you and find the light and let it guide you for over 40 days until the 2 becomes one. then with out fear,you can leave the flesh and you can enter thy kingdom. and with a pure heart you can talk to thy holy father.

all is written in the bible for one that see and hear and have understanding. but i am telling you the natural men that see only the ouside of the cup. the flesh go only by the flesh. the natural men needs to believe in a saviour came to save is flesh. but you know full well that the flesh will return to the dust. jesus him self when meditating to be born of water said to the devil aka darkness that if the holy father would have wanted someone to brake is natural law,he would have sent someone else.

what was the message of jesus?

i am the way the truth and the life.

i am the ressurection and the life.

i am the door.

i am the good shepperd.

i am the beguinning and thy end.

i am the light of the world.

Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

so let there be light, Be the light that you can Be, experience and enjoy.

asked 25 Nov '12, 11:38

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white tiger

edited 26 Nov '12, 03:20

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@white tiger, I've amended some of your tags. Please refer to the FAQ regarding information on how to choose useful tags on Inward Quest. Thanks : How to use tags on Inward Quest

(26 Nov '12, 03:18) Barry Allen ♦♦

what are the differences between bashar's higher self and abraham's inner being?

(20 Feb '13, 17:25) don
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I feel being misled from the truth by having to focus on this figure called God. It feels just right for it to be 'creative force' instead. And I find it very uncomfortable to put my prayers into words, for words mean nothing to me. Also the word "worship" has a repugnant feel, instead I'd like to praise all the creativity through my expression of it. And as I create, I do as he has done, and we become one. Through expression of the nature of who s/he is. Creativity.


answered 26 Nov '12, 04:35

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God is truth,the word is truth, the creator is God.from the beguinning to thy end,you are made in is image. when you worship something is it not because it is good? you are using words right now to expresse your self and your creativity. are those word that use meaning less? if so why create them in the first place? am i talking truth to you or misleding you? do you like more the fruit then the tree? or do you like more the tree then the fruit? when you can understand that they are both needed-

(26 Nov '12, 20:36) white tiger

you will be in truth with no inequity or duality. experience and enjoy.

(26 Nov '12, 20:37) white tiger

when thinking in ones instead of threes the mark is missed. and reverence may be closer to truth than worship. we are complicated creatures for now at the mercy of human intellect that pictures ourselves as God

(26 Nov '12, 20:48) fred

@fred the problem is not picturing our self as God because we are made in is image as spirit,god is spirit. but i agree with you on the part when thinking in ones,if you want to know why it is because you are you and i am me. it is the same thing in the kingdom even if we exchange alot of information at the speed of light when communicating,we are still individual,only the Holy father GOD,know all.jesus said it him self.

(27 Nov '12, 16:31) white tiger

Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these. "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is -

(27 Nov '12, 16:34) white tiger
(27 Nov '12, 16:35) white tiger

white tiger, The Father is Divine and we are but spiritual creatures. it is the primal spiritual beings that are in His image, and we in theirs. this was written before the bible you so frequently quote. as His power emanates away from Him deposits of beings fill the hierarchy within His plan of creation. the spiritual archtypes are the closest to His infinite mind, yet all of creation is of His Triad further removed, slower in motion, less in light and heat and ofcourse of less almighty

(27 Nov '12, 18:09) fred

power, and still state that we have erroneouslyintellectualized how His Creations truly be.

(27 Nov '12, 18:10) fred

@fred jesus was the one to put it in word the more close to the truth. Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? the flesh is flesh and the spirit is spirit. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." "Congratulations to the one who came into being before coming into being.

(29 Nov '12, 00:11) white tiger

Thanks fred, reverence may be way closer to my idea of praising God than worshiping is.

(29 Nov '12, 02:50) CalonLan
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My answer would be....everyone.

Im a wee bit mystified as to WHY youve asked the question thou.

Youve asked a question and then basically told us where to get the answer, and then what the answer is!! Youve asked us what was the message of jesus......and then told us.

Youve also asked a question and given us a few links to find the answer.

Do u really want an answer from us....or yourself.

No offense



answered 23 Feb '13, 22:25

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Monty Riviera

for me, circumcision and being born again are two of the mysteries highlighted in pauline epistles and synoptic gospels respectively.

(24 Feb '13, 01:27) don

I agree Don, im not at all sure i hold to the traditional christian view of being born again. It is a MYSTERY ,Paul described it as such around 20 times!

(24 Feb '13, 05:21) Monty Riviera

born first as a human form, born second in spirit awareness if it is ready happen

(24 Feb '13, 15:14) fred
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what is meant by born again, father, spirit and water? check out

1 John 5:7-8 is the key to the question.

  1. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
  2. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one

i agree that the bible, as any other scriptures, has esoteric meanings.

And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day is a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and of BLASPHEMY: for the children are come to the BIRTH, and there is not strength to bring forth.

the only unforgiveable sin: 1)"anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven" 2) 3)

"You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!

Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer.


answered 29 Jan '13, 06:35

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edited 24 Feb '13, 01:12

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