I have tried warning many on this site about the dangers of using Law of Attraction. As usual many treated me scornfully, some pseudo-spiritual giants, laughed at me, some thought that I'm here to damage their positive aspect of life, some tried showing in their full extent, how much they know about spirituality(regardless of what they should be knowing).Some thought that I AM wasting their time. **But I would like to leave this for anyone, who would need it in the future. - This is my last post here.** 12/19/2012
Law of Attraction
The theory of Law of Attraction is based upon thought (imagination) and belief (faith). When thought is infused with faith, it has a prayer like power.
About the infusing Imagination with Faith:
Karma and Law of Attraction
This gathering place is about the inward quest.
LOA is only a tiny slice of that adventure.
Put yourself back to the first day when Simon created this place for our interaction.
There was nothing other than the reading materiel that Simon had graciously shared with us through the Psitek.net website to give us a starting point.
That site brought together a group of people with similar interests, one of which happened to be the Law of Attraction.
But the real adventure has always been about the self and the inward journey to discover that self.
The material on this site is a product of our collective interaction and interests.
So it is really up to us to change the focus towards a wider representation of the "inward quest" instead of looking at the content so far as something that is not representative of our expectations.
answered 19 Dec '12, 17:14
i mean this with all love and respect. If you come to a site with so many people as is one here, that is based on law of attraction, you would have to expect people disagreeing with you. It is not a bad thing to disagree, in fact it helps both parties grow, to expand their views. If you came here souly to warn us of the danger, then it is a road that you must have expected to face. Imagine going into a church, and trying to express to people that Jesus was great but no more the son of god than you and I. WOW.. you would almost HAVE to realize that people will meet you with resistance. In life it is a practice that we all must abide by, IF we expect to have it given to us, and karma, AND LOA say this. If you truly love people, and wish to help them, then you may state ur concerns, and try to teach, but when someone does not wish to hear it, and has already accepted their own truth, then you should not ( if you wish it not to come back to you) impede the free will of others within their choices and decisions. The greatest way to help one is to love them and lead by example. If you TRULY want to help show someone the ways of LOA are faulted, then you must lead by example. Not many people will resonate with you trying to change their minds after they have stated their own beliefs. I respect you, i feel that your heart is in the right place. BUT, i think that when u see other people as attacking you, it is only something brought to you to test you. It is impossible to be upset with another's belief, no matter how opposite it is compared to urs, if you know that yours works for you. Truth is relative, it is only a truth because we believe it. Nothing is good or bad, or right or wrong, only an idea and belief of our own making. If somthing offended you, it was probably not meant to be that way. This place is one of free thinking and tolerance for each other opinions. And i have noticed not everyone has tolerance for others beliefs, but with that being said, if you where also tolerant of others beliefs, it would not upset you so bad that someone expressed theirs, no matter how rough it was given to you. I hope that if you wanted to stay here, that u find a way to. If not, i am grateful for the co creation and experience with you my friend. Love
love n light
answered 20 Dec '12, 08:22
TReb Bor yit-NE
as for myself all postings on I.Q. have value ... yours included, the value of the posting varies depending on where we are at that particular point in time ... Let's remember that the law of attraction is always at work and has been well before the manifestation of humans on earth ... it is an inherent part of our physical world and as such we cannot escape it's influence ... in the same way we cannot escape the law of gravity ... the simple fact that we are living puts the law of attraction into motion whether we realize it or not
have fun :)
answered 19 Dec '12, 03:55
Something about the LOA has always bothered me; It seems so far removed from prayer and God sometimes. I have not really spoken out about this because I knew that the down votes would kill me, because this has become a "pro-LOA" site. I know that someone somewhere will argue that God Himself set up the Universe this way....maybe He did. But what if God did not do this? As a question, why would God set up the Universe so we can all bypass God altogether, and get what we want without Him?
I once likened the LOA to pulling a crank in just the right way, and getting what you want with ease. That seems simplistic, but isn't that what we are doing here? I guess I am just a great believer in the Old Way, Faith, and God. When I want or need something, I pray. I ask God to help me. Perhaps God and the LOA are two sides of the same coin--I do not know. All I know is that this post puts a mighty finger on an important issue: We are making ourselves Gods with this. I can hear Wade quoting Jesus here- Jesus said,"Ye are all Gods". "This you will do and more." And so on.
But I find the LOA clashing with something in my gut. Perhaps it is as Mastermind2 says: we are playing with Karma. We are playing with fire. I prefer to think that God rewards my good behavior. The Karma issue is HUGE. Huge! Getting something for nothing will cost us in the end. And I know that God would frown on all of us focusing on the LOA without paying tribute to Him who set up the Universe, and all of its laws. God tells us right out, up front, that He is a jealous God. Frankly, I don't care to anger Him.
So that is what I think. I will continue to read my Bible, go to Church, and pray, pray, pray. God rewards great Faith. The Bible is chock-full of stories about Faith. Maybe the LOA is a form of Faith; that is not my call. But not talking about God and not attributing this great power to God is wrong.
answered 19 Dec '12, 06:58
You practice the LOA without realizing it or not on a daily basis - everyone does. This isn't sorcery. It's simply being. Whether knowing it. Or not.
answered 20 Dec '12, 21:26
@mastermind2 i agree with you on what you said. but is there anny thing wrong with: knowing your self ,knowing other in understanding and truth? being in harmony. and doing things in harmony for your self and other. you see many have missed the first and the second step. and are trying to manifest outside things with their desire. they do not understand them self and other,what makes them think that what they desire is what they need? often they will get it and see that is was not what they wanted. but they like to play magicien with force out of their understanding. they are like someone that as never drive and know nothing about driving but take the key of a car and say lets roll. what happen accident,ticket etc.... i have nothing against someone that wants to drive but start by the basic. all things in life are like this. example: fire can warm you up or burn you. but do you have to be afraid of fire? or learn how it works? you see it is the same thing outside in the physical world. some people you would not like to see them play with fire. but are going to say to them do not do that or stay away from the fire? or are you going to teach them how to use the fire? you all ready know that if you say do not touch this they will touch it. but if you show them how it works they will try it and seeing what it is it will lose its appeal. and if they need to use it they will not burn them self or set fire.
answered 19 Dec '12, 01:32
I am genuinely touched by your care and concern for all of us here at Inward Quest.
Your fear regarding the use of the "Law of Attraction" is one that I myself have wrestled with.
There are many spiritual texts and treatises--primarily written during the last 1,000 years--that extoll the virtue of suffering, bearing burdens, and warn of trying to achieve (or desire) that which you desire.
In the ancient texts (such as the Old & New Testaments, etc.), we have prophets such as Jesus and Moses "performing" (for lack of a better term) stupendous feats, i.e. "miracles", through the power of God.
We also have accounts of "sorcerers" performing evil feats, typically through interacting with demons and spirits, or through the use of extensive arcane ritual and formula. The definition of sorcery, at least in these early sources, seems tied to the evil intent of what they are trying to achieve. Also, in some cases, the means to achieve it. Interacting with demons and spirits of the dead are generally considered forbidden in the ancient sources.
However, achieving miracles THROUGH "the" higher power is actually advocated:
In the above passage we have Jesus stating very unambiguously that:
A) All wishes/requests can be granted if asked through a higher power
B) It is okay to ask for things simply for the purpose of being joyful, or taking joy in them.
You can also find the following quotes in the Gospels which confirm or touch upon this theme:
“If thou canst because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.”
"if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.”
“Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.”
“…believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.”
“Therefore I say unto you, what things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall receive them.”
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."
"And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name..."
Whatever you believe about the truth of the New Testament, this is one area where ALL the Gospels seem to converge...which attests to the truth, I think, that Jesus was actually advocating these concepts.
Regarding the following passage by Jesus:
Although this quote is commonly interpreted as exhorting non-violence, and the virtue of suffering, to me it seems to evince a very good handle on the Law of Attraction, in that the person who "turns the other cheek" will desist in attracting violence, while the person who "resists" will continue to attract unwanted violence through his or her resistance.
We also have the Buddha alluding to similar things in the Lankavatara Sutra, and ancient texts on vibration such as the Spandakārikā, the Spandasaṃdoha by Kṣemarāja, the Spandavṛtti by Kallaṭabhaṭṭa, the Spandavivṛti by Rājānaka Rāma, and the Spandapradīpikā by Bhagavadutpala.
Since you mentioned that you are a Buddhist, you might want to check out the Lankavatara Sutra.
However, as I well know from having practiced Zen myself, traditional Buddhism exhorts the practitioner to avoid all desires like the plague...and so, it does not surprise me that you have the point of view that you have. I do not want to deprive you of that point of view, or your belief systems...especially if it works well for you and brings you happiness.
I tried the Zen Buddhist path for years but found that I just didn't want to "go all the way"--i.e., renounce the world, renounce all desires, and become a monk. That just wasn't for me. I decided that I must be here in the world for a reason...to "do something" or to experience, affect this world in some sort of healthy/positive manner. Obviously many would disagree with that choice. From their own point of view and belief system, I can understand why.
I thank you for your contributions to this site, and wherever your path takes you, I wish you all the best!
i think LOA is a natural law created by Gog such as gravity ,electricity etc.Using natural forces is harmless if you know the principals of them.
I dont know what karama theory is but we must take LOA just a natural law and should not replace God with LOA.
answered 19 Dec '12, 05:21
I will miss @mastermind2. It was fun having you here & an big improvement over mastermind1.. Whether I agree with you or not; you have really good vibrations. You rarely failed to make me smile (or laugh). Thank-You!
Whether some of us think Mastermind2 is a troll or not; does not matter. He broke NO forum rules & ALL views are welcome. He was courteous & respectful. Our job was to be open-minded & show him the same respect he showed us. I found him charming, intelligent, articulate & witty - not your typical troll... I truly enjoyed reading his posts & the answers & the discussions which followed. He brought an interesting new dimension to IQ; which I found to be fascinating as well as humorous. For all we know, he's an acknowledged member of this forum, donning an alter ego, to express a different point of view, which he wouldn't be comfortable doing as the user we know him to be or perhaps it was a test or maybe he is totally genuine & some of us are wrong..
Decide for yourself - was he being genuine or was he messing with us?
Matermind2 --- The Native American symbolism (wisdom) did NOT escape me.... Was this your "last laugh"?
The last question you asked was "Wisdom of the Animal Totems". For whatever reason, you deleted it.. I clicked on your profile. You claim your REAL name is Kevin Flycatcher. HA-HA! (anyone know anyone with the last name Flycatcher?)
Flycatcher's Wisdom Includes:
Proper use of Diversion, Deceiving enemies, Rapid change of direction, Ability to judge distance.
As for your location. No, NOT Nara, Japan - more like Kanda, Sri Lanka. Your name is NOT Kevin Flycatcher; but I'll keep your name a secret...
BTW - in regards to your question, there is a huge difference between a belief & faith....
answered 22 Dec '12, 02:45
@lozenge123 I'm very happy that you brought this up. I will try to explain this as I understand it. Please point out to me if there are any mistakes..and I'm waiting to hear what you think..
What is the difference between Prayer and Law of Attraction?
If we put it into a simple table:
Prayer is a wonderful thing. I agree with all the lines you've quoted out of the Bible. In prayer, you ask from God, to grant you the thing that you need. Then the prayer will be answered in proper time, and sometimes they are not.
If you manifest something from honest prayer, it will make you happy. Because prayers are answered in proper time as God chooses it to be. Proper time means; when we have what we asked for, God will make sure that we deserved it.
To me, in Prayer, I cant see any kind of natural boundary broken. Prayer is a sincere way of asking for help from the Creator. Prayer is in every form of religions in the world. Even the native tribes asked for the guidance from their Creator.
In Law of Attraction, we have quite changed the process. We have clearly stated,
If we take hold of this law, we can use faith and manifest exactly what we want.
We have taken faith and tangled it with thought, now thought has the power. As everything else in magic we have conjured-up a power using one of the greatest powers FAITH, and thought. Then we have given it the creative power. The faith here is bred out of gratitude. In this case, gratitude is like store credit, we are grateful not because we are sincere, but because it makes it easier to manifest again. We blindly thank for everything, even the bad. (The Science of Getting Rich) Now we have gained the right to manifest anything as we want.
This is where it turns to Black Magic, unlike prayer (asking the Father to give it to you) We have taken the Godly powers to our hands. God and natural destiny of a man has nothing to do with it now. Now our destiny is what we choose it to be, our desires are exactly what we want, we want to change everything as we desire, including environment and neighbors. All we need is thought and faith to attract the situation.
(This is what I quoted above as:"Faith is a wonderful thing. But when you put it in wrong places, and wrong things are believed in, it can be very costly in terms of health and happiness and life")
In this we have clearly blocked divine will out of our lives. We're Gods now. We're playing God, now.
How does nature correct this error? Everyone should obey the natural creative laws of nature and universe. This is the negative karma that I spoke of. How does nature teach humans that they are not Gods? Who ever thinks he is a God MUST be humbled-down as every other human being on this planet. Nature kicks false-Gods out of their thrones! This kicking out will be a huge blow to the ego. Things could get really really bad. This humbling-down of the person is one of the hardest things to go through in the life. If you like, you can relate this with, Angels going against God (Divine will) and how they fell.
I honestly haven't read the Lankavatara Sutra. But I will make sure I read it when I have some free time. Thank you.
About Zen, it is very best that you choose not to go all the way. Renouncing the world is not what we need, we just want to be happy, less negative and less stressed out!
@ele Hello! I'm mm2. I told everyone this was my last post and I came back here because I wanted to answer these posts and as I said, specially to speak to you(in the mean time I commented on a few other posts). But I didn't change my mind about leaving.
"I was curious, I checked out his FB page before I ever answered his ? back on 12/22." You got the wrong profile, and no my profile is not the first one in the fb search results of my name. As you may have noticed, I'm not the only one with that name in fb.
I happen to know that kid, (fb profile with 500 friends) and he is known to everyone at the College that I WENT to because of his talents in games. I searched my own name and I looked at his profile pictures, it must be the pictures of demon circles from supernatural that made you guess that it was me?
"He's a young college kid with close to 500 friends." No I'm not a college kid, I don't have 500 friends in my account. Not even a 100. I'm young but FAR older than the kid you thought I was.
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