I am talking of the "void" variety, not meditation upon a particular objective (also called visualization) or problem (also called thinking).

The fear I have is that it will just distract me more and leave my problems to grow. I have also seen people who claim to have reached enlightenment through meditation. I most certainly do not want to be one of those people.

asked 31 Jan '13, 04:35

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edited 31 Jan '13, 04:53

You are stuck by your own fear, you judge others without knowing what you are talking about. Why do you not make the first step? It would at least take you out of yourself pity. We all live in this world, do you think we do not understand it? Each of us every day see what's working and what's not working, why it's not working and what changes need to be made. When people make a choice and make a first step they change the problem and sometime solve it. But when people are afraid, in self pity, refuse to see and remain blind that becomes their only choice, nothing changes and they get trapped in that hell of their own making.

Your first problem is to make the first step.If you do not make that step your problem will grow. Right now you are distracting yourself from your problem and you know it. Do you fear your own choice, O men of little faith. Is judging others making you feel any better? The only person you should want to be is yourself. But you fear that if you are yourself, people will not accept you, will not find you popular, will judge and blame you. Then why do you do, what you hate, they will do the same to you. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

No matter the number of questions you ask and the number of answers we give you. If you use it only as a distraction and do not make the first step that you need to make, it will not help you or change your problem. Was that useful to you?


answered 31 Jan '13, 05:26

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edited 31 Jan '13, 06:10

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What is that first step and where does it lead?

(31 Jan '13, 06:03) flowsurfer

That first step for you is to stop being afraid judging and blaming an pity your self and solve your problem move out of darkness to light.where does the first step on your journey lead you where ever you please.But you need to make that step inside and outside.A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Now make that step.

(31 Jan '13, 16:45) white tiger

@white tiger All your words sound meaningless to me.

(31 Jan '13, 17:38) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer It might be because you are meaningless to your self.And you are meaningless to your self because you do not know your self.That is the first inside step that you need to take. If you do not know your self you cannot know other.But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."

(31 Jan '13, 18:02) white tiger

@white tiger More meaningless, empty words. Do you understand that the meaning you have attached to the things you say doesn't get magically added to your words for me to understand? Are you just talking to yourself? I don't have access to your brain to decipher your riddles.

(31 Jan '13, 18:08) flowsurfer

@white tiger There are some things I understand. You are under the impression that I think in a way that I do not think. So reading your replies makes me feel like a white guy being called a nigger. I'm not offended, I'm confused. You tell me to stop doing things that I don't do and stop thinking in a way that I don't think, then tell me to think your way because it's the truth, except you are not even clear on what that way is.

(31 Jan '13, 18:13) flowsurfer

@white tiger My one concern in life is God, yet you live under this delusion that God is separate from the world and that we have to live as slaves to the world and seek God on the side. You are not enlightened. You don't understand anything about God. You worship an idol, which apparently gives you comfort, but is not real.

(31 Jan '13, 18:18) flowsurfer

@white tiger There is no such thing as waiting for God to show up, God is always there, that is what makes him God. If your God is distant, it is nothing but an idol.

(31 Jan '13, 18:19) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer You should read what you write what did you write now? What did you write a fee week ago about wanting to kill your self? if your concern in life would be about God you would do the work of God.You would not seek division,judge,blame other and tell lie about them,that are the work of the devil.And right now you are doing the work of your father the devil. listen to this you might learn something: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R5VwxvUUvI

(31 Jan '13, 18:30) white tiger

@white tiger Now I understand why the gnostics were persecuted. Even in the ancient world, nobody could stand them and their self-righteous delusions.

(31 Jan '13, 18:42) flowsurfer

@white tiger My concern is God, but it is not God as an imaginary friend, it is God as an actual companion in life, God as real, not as fantasy. What you describe has nothing to do with God. There is no "God's work" for me to do. There is no "devil's work" that can distract me. My intent is to understand the real God and have a real conscious relationship with that God. God is the cause of all things manifest. He is not just "very powerful", he is absolute power, meaning he is the only power.

(31 Jan '13, 19:02) flowsurfer

@white tiger If I suffer pain, God has inflicted that pain. If I experience pleasure, God has brought me that pleasure. Wealth and poverty, sickness and health. It is insanity to believe in little gods in the world. The world is nothing more than God's expression of himself in me. You, and the people you say I shouldn't care about, only exist in my life because God manifested your presence.

(31 Jan '13, 19:06) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer I have told you everything that you need but you are blind to the truth and cannot see it. You want to remain in darkness with your heart of stone, so be it. It is your choice and you cannot blame anny one else. And yes you are right many have been persecuted in this world because of the darkness and many will die in their sin. The light came to the world but darkness did not understood it.

(31 Jan '13, 19:10) white tiger

@God Help me feel truly loved.

(31 Jan '13, 19:11) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.Do not judge, or you too will be judged.This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Where did you fail?

(31 Jan '13, 19:21) white tiger

Sorry, F. I agree with all White Tiger has said, on this post + your others.You seem judgmental of others + don't really seem to want their opinions.It seems you only want to hear your own opinions echoed back to you + nothing else.Search yourself to see if you are willing to consider the opinions of others + consider that perhaps some of them have more experience than you do.You seem to only be kind to the ones who tell you what you want to hear.If so, what is the point of asking? Peace & Love!

(01 Feb '13, 12:00) LeeAnn 1

@LeeAnn 1 Why do I seem judgmental of others? When was I unkind?

(01 Feb '13, 17:49) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer read what you wrote.I have also seen people who claim to have reached enlightenment through meditation. I most certainly do not want to be one of those people.If I suffer pain, God has inflicted that pain.Now I understand why the gnostics were persecuted. Even in the ancient world, nobody could stand them and their self-righteous delusions. If your God is distant, it is nothing but an idol.All your words sound meaningless to me. And there is more go read what you wrote.

(01 Feb '13, 18:29) white tiger

@flowsurfer Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word.Do you want to put me on a cross will it help you in anny way? Should you not know your self and clean the inside of the cup?

(01 Feb '13, 18:43) white tiger

@white tiger Not wanting something is being judgmental of others?? Other people can live any way they like, I don't care; does that mean I have to want it? I I suffer pain, God HAS inflicted it; that is a statement of fact or at worse an opinion, it is neither unkind nor judgmental. Yes, that third one was unkind, because everything you write is judgmental and unkind and I got angry, though I didn't say I was ready to kill you, I said you inspired hatred in me. You called me a SON OF THE DEVIL.

(01 Feb '13, 19:55) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer Why do you judge that God is making you suffer? is that kind? is that in truth? is that a judgemental opinion from you? if you are against God and the light and do not want to be a son of light and prefer darkness and to be a son of darkness that is your choice. Do not blame me for telling you the truth.why do you hate me,you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth. i do not judge,I tell you the truth,but you cannot accept it.

(01 Feb '13, 20:10) white tiger

@white tiger Because God has absolute power. The recognition of a fact, even if it is just a wrong idea, is neither kind nor unkind. That is in truth, yes. That is not a judgmental opinion in any way shape or form. There is no such thing as being against God. You call my truth judgment and your judgment truth. I don't hate you. I hate being told what to do, think or feel; you don't offer help with the path, only tell me what destination I should pick, who I should be; that I hate.

(01 Feb '13, 20:29) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer God as free will and absolute power and he made you in is image with the same potential. Why do you not use your potential to please him at the place of judging him?All that you just said about me is a lie,i want you to be the light that you can be and not darkness.i want you to know your self and grow.That is what i am pointing at.I am not judging you but telling you the truth but you cannot handle the truth. And that is why you hate Judge and blame and tell lie and pity your self.

(01 Feb '13, 20:46) white tiger
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To contact "God", vibrate as "God" ... angels are always happy and playful as children, to contact them, be happy and playful ... like attracts like, harmony attracts harmony, fear attracts fear, doubt attracts doubt, as you send out so you receive ... meditation allows contact with the original vibration, your birthright, the natural flow-ow-ow of abundance ... what you find on the inside reflects on the outside, that is, your state(vibration) of being creates your environment :)

As shakespeare wrote;

Our doubts are traitors

And make us lose the good we oft might win

By fearing to attempt


answered 01 Feb '13, 01:27

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