Before anyone jumps into thinking I am being sacrilegious, let me amplify this question.
I welcome your opinions and comments.
None of the above. Jesus was enlightened. What he said has been so thoroughly changed throughout history that his original message has been lost.
1) Jesus didn't believe in sin. He thought that people, in their spiritual ignorance, made mistakes causing harm to themselves and others. That isn't sin. The word he used was translated into Koine Greek as Hamartia. Hamartia is not sin. It's a mistake.
2) Jesus didn't believe in hell. He spoke of Gehenna - the garbage dump outside of jerusalem's city gates. There, those who lives the most wretched of lives eeked out a meager existence while living in misery.
3) There was no word like "repent" until the 17th century and the release of the King James Version. Jesus spoke of Metanoeo and Metamellamai, which mean - change your way of thinking and change your way of emoting - respectively.
Put these together. He is saying that if your life is wretched, you need only give up your ignorance to change your way of thinking and emoting to be lifted out of your misery. When you know how powerful your thoughts and emotions are, nothing is denied you (by you).
The whole crucifiction scene was to have played this out. when he was taken into custody, it was inconceivable that he would be released, but according to the oldest available texts, he was released. They say that bar abba was released. The term "bar abba" is not a name. It's a description. It means son of Daddy (familiar vs. formal word father). As Jesus' Daddy was loving and gives ALL that is asked for, one could justify calling abba "Sugar Daddy". Jesus was called bar abba. The name Barabbas did not appear in history until the 3rd century.
With the appearance of the Internet, Christian scholars have discovered this horrible mistake. But if bar abba didn't die on the cross, the religion would fail. The money would dry up and the leaders would lose their power. Rather than expose the newly discovered truth, Christianity expanded the lie. The new Bibles give Jesus a last name. Now he is known as Jesus Barabbas who stood next to Barabbas, even though they know that Barabbas was not a name until no less than two and a half centuries later.
The balcony scene was meant to show the people how powerful they are and why they had no reason to fear either the San Hedron or Caesar. THAT is how powerful they are. The release was the Christian story - not the crucifixion. But Constantine changed that.
Jesus didn't believe in the christian "God". His beliefs were far more consistent with the New Age interpretation of Quantum Mechanics. We are one. As I do to you, I do to me and that which Christians call God, but I call an energy field. He was an egalitarian, so he was no megalomaniac and did not have a Messiah complex. The messiah is within us. the kingdom of heaven (wisdom/consciousness) is a counselor. It is also great power.
He said ALL that you ask for is given (so if you don't like what you have, simply change your beliefs (lose ignorance), change your way of thinking and emoting, and what you want will appear in your reality. Those of us who do this do in-fact bring things into our realities that would not otherwise be able to. Jesus said that by our words we are condemned or justified. Words are powerful and as we are gods using them, we should wield them with more care.
Jesus was no Christian. That was Paul's handiwork. Jesus was a rational anarchist and perhaps a Pantheist. Paul taught the opposite of what Jesus taught. Paul was in it for the money and power. He started the Christian church. Jesus tried to bring down religion - all religions that control what people may think.
You ask "Was Jesus Lord..."
answered 08 Aug '13, 01:44
I think there have been many 'wise men' and 'prophets' for longer than our recorded history.
In my opinion their message to humanity has largely been the same since the dawn of time, which I'd personally translate as "We can be so much more." Depending on the challenges facing the person or group at the time of encounter the content would be adapted to be as immediately suitable as possible, but the overall tone of the message is always the same and the behavior of the 'prophet' usually very similar.
Because of this, I strongly dislike the idea Jesus taught any message implying he was superior to anyone else, nor he could do anything other's couldn't. Anything along the lines of "You need me to be saved" or "The only way to heaven and/or God is through me" in my eyes seem highly uncharacteristic of his message and the person he was.
I believe his primary purpose was trying to tell people they were paying for salvation for souls that were never damned in the first place which those addicted to power didn't appreciate. I believe many of his teachings were omitted, as well as claims he said things which are dramatically misinterpreted beyond holding any relevancy to original meaning.
History is written by the victor. Jesus spoke out against the church and was crucified, the rest is history.
answered 09 Aug '13, 11:58
legends are of heroes
answered 07 Aug '13, 21:06
Was Jesus "the one and only Son of God", or "merely" an extraordinary human being? I suppose there is no way to prove it either way 100%.
Judging by the historical testimony of non-Christians of the era such as Josephus, it seems pretty certain that the person known as Jesus was doing some pretty miraculous things, and garnering a large following because of it. So at the very least it seems that he was an expert "conscious" manifester.
Although I am huge C.S. Lewis fan, I do not share the sentiment of his quotation above.
Because if someone was somehow able to prove that Jesus was "only" a mere mortal, I would still find his advice about faith, compassion, and the power of belief just as pertinent, useful, and relevant as it ever was.
I sometimes wonder if the focus on Christ's divinity (the "worship", if you will) distracts from the examination and application of his actual advice.
It is perhaps worth quoting the following passage from the opening to the Gospel of John:
"But those that received him, to them he gave authority to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his Name..."
So even if he is the Son of God, he is saying that we all have the potential to become children of God.
answered 07 Aug '13, 23:39
I have a slightly different take than most.
I believe my own identity is Jesus Christ. I firmly believe im Him. I also believe everyone else is too, and I mean everyone. I think Jesus Christ is the totality of all humanity, any other race or alien culture ( if there are any ) and every thing in this world or any other.
In fact I believe there "ONLY" Christ in any reality and nothing else. To say "was" about consciousness doesn't make any sense to me. There cant be a was because consciousness only knows now. There never was a was, if you know what I mean.
The Biblical Christ only exists "now" . The Christian interpretation of him as a physical person is accurate only in as much as it describes "us".... "now" .
I know many will disagree with this and find it rather offensive. I understand this. However all of us exist "now" so how can anyone comment or speculate about "then". There is no then! Then doesn't exist, and even if it did no one has ANY consciousness of it.
answered 07 Aug '13, 12:57
IMO, if one were to bow at Jesus' knee and proclaim him God the Father, that would be lunacy.
Without passages quoted from Gospel, it's challenging to understand how anyone identifies Jesus as (the one and only) God. As I've been over passages where that sort of thing is interpreted (and really adding to what's there), it is easy for me to see that Jesus didn't self identify as Lord, God, nor Messiah.
He is certainly legend. And if you believe in the resurrection, you could say He is a living legend ;-)
I would say he is closest to Guru / advanced teacher. As in still is, but for sure was. He was clearly showing 'the way' and doing so often via parables where reading between the lines was critical to (advanced) understanding of his message. Yet, when he speaks about '2 greatest commandments' it is fairly direct in what 'the way' is.
The lunatic thing will always be present around him as teacher, for when you say something like "I and the Father are one" and don't back down from such a claim, well everyone who either doubts the Father or doubts a human could possibly know this, will plausibly deem the assertion as crazy talk. Then there are those amongst us who think the messenger is his message, thus not just crazy talk, but instead crazy person. But as anyone can clearly say 'I and the Father are one' (and be correct in doing so), it begs a reasonable person to consider what that message is saying.
Still waiting on that CS Lewis version where Jesus must've said, "I, and only me, and the Father are one. In fact, just call me Jesus 'Father' and we'll be cool." Without that being stated in Gospel, I'm thinking there are lunatic disciples amongst us who are conveying a much different message than the one that is readily available for all to see.
answered 08 Aug '13, 11:59
Jefferson Moore (playing Jesus) did a good job answering this and other questions in, The Perfect Stranger and Another Perfect Stranger.
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