White tiger and I were having an amazing discussion about the Law of Attraction here in Jaianniah's Murphies Law question. He said something like when a law doesn't serve anymore we change it.
I thought about this and yes, the Law of Attraction was written thousands of years ago! It is said Thoth wrote it on some Emerald green tablet.
Now we are in the twentyfirst century... I'll bet Thoth never thought we would make it this far twenty one centuries since that time!
Maybe it is time to change The Law of Attraction. Maybe update it, replace it or remove it?
The law works for some and against others. You see that over and over as a theme here.
This clearly indicates the law is flawed in some aspect or other.
So now we come to how to make the law more fair. After thousands of years of progress we should be able to think up something better than Thoth wrote up for us.
The United States abolished slavery because it was wrong. We even changed the Constitution to do so (The 13th amendment.) The idea that having slaves was right, changed and this changed the world view that before so existed for thousands of years.
So if we could change a law that was part of our Constitution then we as the world should be able to work out a better law than the Law of Attraction.
What would you change or replace, maybe remove to make the law work for everyone's advantage?
We need to come at this intellectually like a boardroom. We may be the key to the golden age, scraping an old outdated law for one that serves us all.
Open your eyes, this is about resetting the game board for the planet. Who have I said we are over and over again on here?
Now I'm looking for ideas for a planetary paradigm shift. Anyone that says impossible is not ready.
Napoleon Hill said "Let a person radically alter his thoughts, and he will be astonished at the rapid transformation it will effect in the material conditions of his life."
Carpenters and craftsmen use tools to makes things. Engineers design the tools carpenters and craftsmen use to make things. Most here are carpenters, few craftsman but so far I'm seeing none willing to look at the nature of vibration, thought and belief itself in other words no engineers.
I wasn't even asking that of you, I was just looking for ideas to try out an amazing revelation I had. It is becoming clear I'm on my own for this one.
The flaw I've found in the LOA is in the believed preset thought and feeling about things. Even wealth and lack are neutral and have no meaning but what we ascribe to them.
With this understanding what is commonly called creating by default can be changed to a good thing.
There are those that do this that believe they are lucky, this is one way.
Another way is to change our belief about lack and need, that when you think of lack or need you automatically think of fulfillment.
Change the belief and this changes the emotion which changes the dominant vibration of the thing thus changing the results from what used to come to a new result.
When I first posted this I had the inspiration but needed ideas because I needed to see how to improve or change the LOA.
Most those limited here pick from the choices they have laid out. I choose to change the meaning of choices, I choose to remove myself from that limitation of what is believed to be set in stone and say I pick the meaning and feeling attached to this belief.
Belief is not set, it is a personal choice and most just choose to agree to what massconsciousness attributes to those choices. So if there are new beliefs associated in the massconsciousness then nothing need be done by anyone and creating by default would be always for the better for everyone.
It's all The Law of Attraction and thus can be changed by changing what is the normal flow of belief pattern of what is believed to be set beliefs.
I believe Jesus was trying to achieve this when he said, "Be in the world but not of it." We represent the Kingdom, in other words lose the negative belief about everything. So as I said even lack ends up a positive belief that knowing that lack is pulling to fill that lack automatically.
The common LOA belief is thinking about lack brings more lack, change the meaning of lack that it is the negative pole pulling the positive pole toward it, or it is a vacuum sucking to it exactly what it lacks. Now the vibration of lack means abundance and thus thinking of lack draws abundance because the new definition you can't think of lack without thinking of it pulling to it exactly what it lacks. In other words lack is like a magnet drawing to it its opposite. Thus changing the LOA as it usually is understood to be.
I am sorry apparently not many are ready for my epiphany I have shared. White tiger if you friend me on Face Book I'll tell you of a way we may be able to affect the mass consciousness. There is a new revelation I had involving your infinity question. I think I'll call it Infinitely Divided Thought Projection. There is no way I'll share it on here.
Thanks everyone I was hoping for ideas. I have at least one to put into mass consciousness.
Lack is room that is ready to be filled right now. Any lack means abundance is on its way now.
By all means....transform it, change it, remove it, replace it, and do whatever you want with it.
The "it" we are talking about here though is only a definition that has been agreed upon by many people over the course of years. It really is just a label that a person or persons attached to try and explain something that may generally be viewed as unexplainable or incomprehensible.
When or if you do decide to transform, remove, update, etc., just remember that you will be doing it in your own little world. There is no "we" involved in the process. There is only you and the reflection of your desires. It may seem like others around you are going along with the new program. You may even get your beliefs to a certain strong point that it seems the whole world is on the same page as you are, but it still and always will only be you and your reflection.
From reading this statement I am making the assumption that your question revolves around the idea that this thing we label as The Law of Attraction is not a perfect system because other humans are creating struggle, or lack, or hardship, or a non understanding of how they create every single event and situation in their lives.
There is nothing flawed about being alive in a human body no matter what the physical circumstances are.
Since this law is just another way of saying that vibrational waves match up to similar waves of a vibrations frequency, how can that possibly be a flawed system? Maybe it is the human mind that does more work than it was created to do that gives the illusion of a flawed system.
The law (or vibrational frequency matching) doesn't work for some and against others. It works perfectly every single time and in every single situation. Not matter how ignorant a person is of their abilities to create or how ill and depressed they are in life, it is working perfectly.
Who it to say that certain people didn't come to this earth plain to intentionally experience the lack of all knowing and individual creating? Maybe in a past life (parallel reality version of our consciousness) everything someone experienced went perfectly including health, wealth, friendships, and family. Maybe that consciousness desired to live a life of lack and unknowing for growth and experience. Maybe there was a desire to live a life of not knowing who they truly are only to transform that into a full knowing somewhere along the line.
One persons definition of fair can be completely different than another's. It's not a bout what is fair and what isn't. It's about what is preferred and what isn't preferred and how much focus and intent is placed towards each choice.
There is nothing to change or replace because "the law" is essentially no-thing to begin with. Energy waves are not solid physical things like the human brain wants to make them out to be:)
I prefer to allow people to decide how they want it to work for themselves... good, bad, or in a neutral way. It's not my place or my unique and individual creating reality to make anything work for anybody else anyway.
This statement is one of the best examples why people have trouble with creating the reality they prefer. We try to think way to much in an intellectual way instead of simplifying things and following our built in and ready to go emotional guidance systems.
If every person simply started to make how they feel the most important decision in their life, there would be no resistant thoughts or situations to be had regarding things being flawed or not working. Everyone would be too busy basking in their own perfect flow of deliberate, creative vibrations with simplicity and ease.
No, Wade, you don't understand.
Law of attraction is the law. It cannot be altered or removed. It's in the core of existence itself. It's how universe functions. It's working all the time, without fail, without stop. Every second, every instant. Right now !
REAL laws can't be broken or changed, only silly Earth laws can
There are 4 laws of existence:
And that's it. Every reality, every experience, in every dimension, everywhere, everywhen is some configuration of those 4 laws.
But of course you can create a new law instead of Law of attraction if you wish and if you really believe in it, it will work. But then again that's only law of attraction working again, giving you what you want :) You got to love paradoxes :)
Kisses to Bashar and everybody else, but no homo :)
answered 29 Dec '13, 18:04
I would think that this question stems from the askers inability to purposefully manifest things or situations they want in their lives. I will use an illustration for the benefit of anyone reading this in years to come. I seriously don't think this will impact Wade at all, I assume from the question that Wade doesn't as yet understand what LOA is, or if he does he isn't buying into it. That's an observation not a criticism.
About 6 months ago I was very overweight, I caught sight of myself in the mirror and was appalled by how fat I was, I had 3 chins and a beer belly any darts player would have envied. I started a strict diet and after 3 months placed myself in front of my full length mirror again. I was faced with a guy who was 3 stones lighter, sans the beer belly and 2 chins.
Now NEVER NEVER NEVER did I ever try to alter my mirror, I didn't blame the mirror or try to modify it. I didn't invest in another mirror or indeed question the job my current mirror was doing. The mirror was never the problem...it was the undisciplined and over indulgent item that was placed in front of it....and that was me. My mirror now reflects a slim image. It can do no other. It simply reflects whats placed in front of it.
LOA or the law of consciousness ( whats in a name ) reflects back to us the "REAL" contents of our consciousness. In fact the reflection the person in front of the mirror and the mirror itself are all consciousness. There is nothing outside of this, there cant be any other law because there isn't anything else.
Im afraid the only people who ever question this are inadvertently those who don't like their reflection too much. Sorry but its true.
Ive heard very similar question asked on this forum by people who are on the very start of the " quest" . Im assuming Wade that your still struggling with the after effects of your brush with evangelical christianity and all the nonsense it contains.
That's fine Wade, theres no problem in that and no condemnation.
Sooner or later Wade your going to have the revelation " OF" Christ. Not about Christ, but of Christ. I cant stress the "OF" enough. This will happen in this incarnation or a subsequent one. Your not going to be left on the shelf fella.....so no sweat.
And when you've had that revelation Wade, youll never ask a question or post something as banal and ridiculous as this again. Good news Eh?
I'm going to add to the following statement by @Cory:
By quoting a passage from Bashar that I recently came across:
answered 02 Jan '14, 17:05
Wonderful question, Wade. +100 for thinking outside the box!
It took me a while to get it, but now I see what you mean, I'm just loving thinking about it. :)
I thought, "Change a natural law? But, we can't change that natural law, any more than we could change the law of gravity! You can't change how vibrations relate to one another... We can work with that law to appear to defy it (airplane), we can learn more about a law to make it work for us the way we want it to, but you can't change what is.... What we all agreed to when we came here.... If the LOA "written" by the god Thoth, well that shows the only way we could do that, as in a boardroom or council setting, would be if we were gods.... A council of powerful, creator gods.....
So, to answer your question, Creator God Wade, I would have to say no, updating, replacing or removing such a powerful, foundational law would require that we do the same to too many other laws; they are all too intertwined. I say, let's scrap the lot and start all over again. Make something brand new.
Perhaps this time, as LOA has, as you mentioned, worked against so many people who were not aware of what or how they were manifesting in their lives, we could create a LOA that has a physical gauge of some kind that is more obvious than the present physical, internal sensations in the body. I suggest a large, glowing meter of a kind that can be easily viewed by peers, so that they may help one another manifest what they want.
However, this may cause too large a loss of privacy and therefore personal development. What are your thoughts?
Creator Goddess Grace
It seems to me like you are looking to change the law of attraction by using the law of attraction...
Why would you make the assumption of the law being flawed because it doesn't work for everyone? When it doesn't work, the law in itself is not to blame, but rather unfortunate patterns of the subconcious mind. That's something I would like to discuss - how to change old, destructive patterns of the subconcious mind in an effective way.
answered 30 Dec '13, 19:29
You can not change a universal law. Time will never effect it because it is timeless. Take consequences for example, I think that is played out now because that is old school. I think now we can do whatever we want. Does not work, can't change it, it is timeless and part of this holographic world called reality. It is tied to your intent. How can you change that, you can't, it one and the same.
answered 03 Jan '14, 10:26
The Knights Alchemy
Sir Wade, the way I understand LOA, what you propose is not possible. First, LOA was not written/invented/created by any man, it is simply the 'natural' order of things. What you ask is like "let's go make the sun rise from the north and make it set to east" or like "let's do revise the gravitational attraction so that when we fall we go upward instead of going downward" or a more weird of saying "let us revise our life so that we will start it in our death and end it in our birth".
It is a wrong concept if you think that it did not work for everybody because it do work without fail and in perfect synchronicity to every single being in this planet. What you think maybe is that it did not to everyone's advantage. LOA always work and without any judgement or label, it work like how gravity work for everyone. Like any "natural" law of the universe, it will always work without fail no matter how human position himself towards it. If you wish to use gravity at you advantage, by no means don't fall, instead, create a hydroelectric plant.
@wade Casaldi - just reread your above question and really like the direction you are promoting. As we create a vacuum, the Universe fills it.
I see this more as an "interpretation" or "update" of the LOA. Each of us interprets this Law in our own personal way. To understand if the interpretation is working, just look at the amount of Joy in your life.
But as far as your original premise, if we are looking for a close partnership relationship, we can create a vacuum to draw one in by doing things like clearing one side of the garage so someone has a place to park their car. Sleeping on one side of the bed. Get an extra toothbrush, etc.
I know that this advice is not appropriate for you in that you and Jai (as myself and Anne) have great relationships, I mean it to apply to any @ole others who are still struggling to have a good relationship.
We know the answer and the question come at the same time, all we need to do is to allow the manifestation. And if you have a loving, and acepting place for that answer, it can immediatly manifest.
And though you have been lovingly "questioned" about how you can give advice when you have so many "problems", I know that your life is improving (from your private email) and that this vacuum is being filled, as it should be and always is!
Again, nice going and keep up!
EDITED after @Wade Casaldi's input
@Wade Casaldi Questions evolve as yours has from inspiration. The evolution as massaged and expanded here by others is an example of the value of relationships, for without others you could not be you.
Each valuable input gives rise to expansion, often by introducing contrast. Making the "inspiration" accessible, relevant and palatable to others as they ingest it.
It's a group endeavor in which we are involved. Let's always keep that in Mind.
EDITED Jan 17th A quote from Tagore reminded me of your question
"Everything comes to us that belongs to us if we create the capacity to receive it. Rabindranath Tagore"
EDITED TO REFLECT ANSWER BY @Herculean - my perspective is that we all live in different universes, some similar and parallel others vastly different. This being the case, there are some universe(s) where the holocaust, wars, etc did not occur.
Suppose we are like movie patrons. You have the choice to view Horror movies, Documentaries, comedies, dramas, etc. Your choice! And while you are in the movie, you belive it is real. To enjoy the movie, you have to believe it is somehow real.
But really, it isn't.
A movie is a piece of film that passes through a projector and puts images on a flat screen in a dark room. The images of the film all exist in one long reel, and they exist all at the same time.
But to experince this one long reel, we have to buy a ticket to the "Space / Time School." And here we are.
So we come into the movie that (outside the theater) we know is not real and we agree to believe in it, to experience emotions as we watch. But it is NOT real. The images don't really move. They only appear to move. The characters are playing parts. Illusion. But we can have fun with our illusions as long as we reaize their nature -- and our own!
When I was a child, my father saw every John Wayne movie. He and I loved John Wayne. JOhn Wayne was a a hero.
John Wayne was always the good guy and always won. However in one movie he was a deep sea diver and at the end, he drowned hundreds of feet beneath the ocean.
As a child, I was shattered! John Wayne was DEAD!No more movies. Later I realized that he was an actor and the character had died, but not the person. He was just fine in the next movie.
So can our lives be like a movie? Who writes? Who directs? Who picks the actors? Who runs the projector? and Who is free to get up and walk out, or change the plot? You! Me!
Pick up your remote and change the channel. Pick a different frequency!
So, did the people really die in the holocaust? Spanish fever? Inquisition? Did they suffer? To me, no more than John Wayne at the bottom of the ocean.
I choose to watch different movies and in the theater, if a movie is making me feel bad, I get up and leave. Go find a movie I like. Same with situations. Same with people.
Am I cruel? Do I not care about other peope? If I pay money (energy) to patronize horror movies, what happens? They make more horror movies. If I focus my mind on suffering, death, illness, murder, do I get more of that stuff in my life? What do you think??
But, do I want to turn on the lights and scream to the horror patrons that this is just an illusion? Yeah, sometimes. Do I really have that right? Only when it touches my Universe and then I feel much more like just finding a better place for myself. Maybe, just maybe others are enjoying watching that stuff. How would I know?
Though it seems incomprehensible to me that some people like horror movies, they seem to do so.
I really can't change anyone else. But I can change my self, my focus. I am happy.
nothing is gain by destroying something. but a lot is gain by understanding the truth about it and correcting what is in error. talking about attraction a magnet attract stuff that are in the same alignment and repulse stuff that are not in the same alignment. the attraction might pull 2 component together not bad in it self but to move stuff you need to properly use the energy in harmony to attract or repulse things. if there is no wall between 2 component you can attract a metal piece with a magnet. but if there is a wall between them the metal piece will not come to the magnet. then you will need to move the metal piece around the wall or remove the wall. to attract the metal piece to the magnet. if you can move the magnet you can pull the magnet attracting the piece of metal around the wall. if you cannot move the magnet you need to repulse the piece of metal so it can move around the wall then you can attract it again to pull it toward you. what is repulse with a magnet inversing the polarity so that thing go in opposite direction between 2 component. this can be done with 2 magnet. with a pieces of metal until it is magnetize it does not have the magnetic property of the magnet. how do you magnetize a piece of metal? you put a magnet on it and move it until it become magnetize. or you put a piece of metal align to the north and hit it with a hammer to cause a vibration that will let the electron particle change to align with the magnetic field of the earth that goes to the north. what is a magnet it is a metal that as all is electron align in the same direction. what is a piece or metal that is magnetize it become a magnet.
you see until one learn more about something he cannot make the necessary change. but once someone know how it work he can make the necessary change. to remove and destroy everything would be stupid. but to know different things and how they interact and work together can make you make better choice.
What is a law it is a guide line to help you out. it is similar to a map I could give you a law to continue straight to the end of the street but if the map change or the map end does the law really fit the new model or can it be use to navigate on the other map next to it? then the law needs to be updated because it become flaw. so keep what is working and is good and change what is not working or lacking. the simple fact is that their will be a lot of change to make because as human being we see only a small percentage of what is. there is a lot of spectrum of light that we do not see then there is a lot of interaction between energy that we do not understand. look at quantum science right now it as discover that observing something makes it change. the simple fact is that they are interacting with it and they do not understand how the interaction are happening. it is like a English person that meet a French person for the first time they talk different language and do not understand each other. then they need to learn more about each other through interaction. the more they do it the better they will understand each other. how many language do we have on this planet? and we individually talk only a fee of those language. together as one we understand a lot more then individually because we can interact with each other and help each other. but divided it takes us a lot more of time and energy to get the same result. so we need to grow individually and together and better our self.
answered 30 Dec '13, 15:41
Attraction.........is the force that is binding the Universe and the height of attraction is LOVE, we call it a LAW.
You must have learned the concept of molecules bonding in chemistry i.e. IONIC Bond (wherein electrons of one atom are shifted in other atom) and COVELENT Bond ( when two atoms share their electrons), here we find the COVELENT Bond as stronger than the Ionic Bond where the force of attraction makes both the atomes share their electrons.
The law is working on the very basic, rather on all levels. However, Yes if one is very innovative and gets a monotonus state from using the same tool, is welcome to invent new laws beneficial for the human race. We cannot change the laws (can we also call it REALITY) of nature. Has anyone escaped death that is one of the laws of nature i.e. every being has to face death ( be it a Law or Reality set by Allah )
@Wade- Like Grace, I applaud your "thinking outside of the box". I have enjoyed our conversations about this subject, which, unfortunately, I cannot completely quote here; the main theme to our talks was "What if we look at this in a different way?" Most of the time, when new ideas are put forth, they are called "Theories". I, for one, would be ever so much more comfortable with "The Theory of Attraction" rather than "The Law of Attraction." I guess it is all the years that the scientific method was pounded into my head. Despite tons of evidence, many scientific principles we live by are still called theories, such as the Theory of Relativity. I guess saying "theory" leaves just a little "skooch" room for evidence that might contradict the theory, and also leaves open-mindedness at the forefront of all science.
So, What if we look at the "Theory" of Attraction in a new way? Does that mean that it has been negated? No. It seems, rather, to be empowering to think of it from all new angles. I remember when we talked about how opposites attract- like the N and S poles of a magnet, or How nature abhors a vacuum. (In this discussion, Wade said to imagine a jar of marshmallows with all the air sucked out. The marshmallows would be all flat at the bottom of the jar. But when you open the jar, the air rushes back into the jar, and the marshmallows re-inflate. So why doesn't the "vacuum" of poverty attract money? That was a neat discussion.) These things seem to be the opposite of the LOA in that the LOA says that positive brings more positive, and negative brings more negative. So how can we fit magnetism into the LOA? The Earth itself is one big magnet. Migrating animals orient themselves according to this magnetism. Now, don't get your undies in a bundle here...PLEASE!!! I am just "thinking outside the box", and putting forth a few things in nature that do not seem to adhere to the LOA. (I can just see the comments now...:)))
Wade, I told you today that the LOA has worked for me only once absolutely positively for sure: Back sometime in 2009, when you and I were just getting to know each other, I read about Stingray's Manifesting Box, and I immediately wrote a word, and found a shoebox, and with all the Faith in the world, put that slip of paper into it. What was on the paper? One word: W-A-D-E. :)
I know that being Christian puts me in the minority here on IQ, but I just would like to add that I have always been puzzled by the forgiveness of sin and the Sacrifice of Jesus' Life to bring Man back into peace with God. (You have to be a Theology student to really delve into this- it encompasses a lot of the Bible, and I do not want to debate Christianity here.) It has always seemed to me that if our sins are forgiven, then they are gone forever. Wiped clean. Yes, there may be civil consequences to pay for sin, but in God's eyes, the sin is gone. To me, this always meant that Jesus taught us that new beginnings are always possible; that your past does not have to hold you back; that you can be free if you ask for forgiveness. But this seems to contradict the LOA, which says what you put out, you get back. Which is it? I guess I just will never be able to get this idea. Sorry, Stingray.
Thanks, again Wade, for some unique and brilliant thinking. It takes courage to speak up against the majority. Look at Darwin. He observed very carefully,, and wrote about what he saw, and postulated that maybe the Universe worked differently than was previously thought. What a firestorm he started! It is still going on to this day.
It is these kinds of thoughts that kept us on the phone for eight hours a night for two years; I am so happy to see you at it again. Nice work!
Your Jai ♥
answered 31 Dec '13, 15:14
I appreciate Wade asking this question. I think it is fine to question an idea that is not working or that simply does not make sense. We think of a law as being applicable to every circumstance and to every human being. I don't understand the workings of the LOA because it has not worked for me as simply as it had for Charles Fillmore et al. Nor does it make sense: "What you put out is what you get back." What does that really mean?
It is hard for me to believe that all the folks who died in WWI, WWII, of the Spanish Flu, and all the other ailments, natural and unnatural consciously attracted those horrific situations. Why would anyone attract to herself the fate that befell the majority of holocaust victims? Is it logical to even postulate that? If we were to focus on one victim and look closely at that person's life, would we be able to say, "Here is that thought(s), that feeling(s) that attracted this dire fate upon this poor soul?" Then let's go on to another victim and another and do that same analysis. For the LOA to be a law, then we should be able to examine every single person who died in the holocaust and show where a thought(s), a feeling(s) attracted to that person his/her fate. Surely, not every single person who died in the holocaust was living in a low vibrational state or thinking negatively about themselves, their neighbors. Surely, there had to be individuals and families living well, full of joy, full of excitement, love and hope.
Let's look at a more modern example. LOA would have us believe that a minority of the human race can attract to itself all the material goods it needs for life: food, shelter, clothing, sanitary conditions, fresh water, working civil laws etc. The rest hit and miss on something so basic and attract droughts, famine, war, bad water, bad leaders, hunger, death, and disease. What sense does that make?
And please don't even bring up group consciousness, the unconscious or subconscious mind and their supposed role in LOA. If you have no control over these, then how can you know what you are sending out and what you are going to get back?
If we say, there is no LOA, no God, no Jesus, then where are we? Well, we are just like the fellow above who saw himself in the mirror and did not like what he saw and went about doing those things to change his body. No magic, no God, no Jesus, no LOA there, just awareness, analysis, action and determination. Sometimes we are successful and sometimes we are not.
answered 05 Jan '14, 14:53
How about this? It is not the smaller physical part of you that is creating, but your light-body.
There is another force even greater, it is infinite, it is emptiness, silence, relaxation, darkness.
You can WILL/FORCE your way through life using light, or RELAX/FLOW your way through life using The Source , the emptiness/darkness which creates all.
answered 18 Jan '14, 17:11
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