If the goal is unlimited expression of universal consciousness (the freeing of oneself from all limitation and the return to God, if you will), then why did we choose to be limited in the first place?

Were we originally unlimited, and chose a limited life for our learning, or did we have to rise up from zero consciousness to less limited consciousness, and so on?

asked 20 Nov '09, 17:12

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edited 20 Nov '09, 19:31

By the way, Vesuvius, congratulations on the milestone. When I reached it, I thought, "Well, it's just a number." But it does make available some new tools. I also want to take this opportunity to tell you that I appreciate your thought provoking insights and points of view. Your contributions to this site are significant.

(21 Nov '09, 07:58) John

Thanks...I appreciate your comments.

(21 Nov '09, 21:16) Vesuvius
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We choose to experience a perception of a limited living to encourage inner growth. If everything was perfect would you be inspired to create something better? Growth sometimes needs inspiration.


answered 24 Nov '09, 03:39

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+1 for actually answering the question that was asked!

(24 Nov '09, 04:50) Vesuvius

I think the yearning to awake and become all that we are capable of being shows that we haven't accepted limitations on our existence. If we had accepted limitations we would not be on this site, endeavouring to learn and grow from the insights each of us can provide. We came here, not to be limited, but to learn and grow both from a human and spiritual viewpoint. Only when we come into this realization fully do we become free and limitless.


answered 21 Nov '09, 20:39

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I know I'm a little late to the party for this question but I must have missed it the first time. The question reminded me of a tremendous passage in Ken MacLean's Dialogues - Conversations With My Higher Self.

I'll quote the passage below because it is full of profound thoughts and worth some contemplation...the conversation is between Ken and The Guys, the non-physical group he is in contact with (similar to Abraham)

The Guys: The important quality of unlimitedness is the ability to limit itself! Do you see? Only that which is unlimited may limit itself. If it could not limit itself, it would be limited in nature! Without limits there is no existence and without existence there is no experience. Experience is the only reason for the creation of a universe.

So now we have something that is unlimited, yet, by that very unlimitedness, is limited; it is both limited and not limited. This is the paradox of defining something that is eternal and infinite in nature.

It is reflexive, circular, it folds back in upon itself. The answer to the question is the question itself. Or perhaps we should say, the answer to the question is the questioner. Both question and answer come forth from the consciousness/awareness of the questioner.

The answer can be anything, for the questioner has the ability to be both unlimited and limited, and the number of ways in which the questioner can limit itself, in the answer to the question, is unlimited!!!

Are you getting this a little bit?

Ken: Yes, this is cool. So my questions about the origin of consciousness is like saying, ‘How does the questioner limit itself in the answering of the question?’

The Guys: That is good! There are as many replies to the question as there are ideas in the consciousness of the questioner. ALL OF THE ANSWERS ARE CORRECT!!

That is what trips humans up. Humans want to have systems of thought in which there are defined limits upon the correct answers, and then to say that any thought outside these boundaries is incorrect.

And, within the limitations of that system of thought, this is correct!! On your planet there are many religions and philosophies that embrace this concept of ‘limited correctness.’ But of course, the limiting of thought is valuable because it brings comfort and stability in all of the diversity and contrast.

But beyond the limitations of a particular religion, philosophy or political belief, any answers that are considered wrong by any system of thought are also correct, because there may be a being who does not wish to limit himself in quite this way.

Therefore, there is no right or wrong! This is something that will disgust moralists and those concerned with ethics, but in an infinite universe of eternal beings, all thought and action is celebrated, for there can be no harm inflicted; only another way of experiencing and of knowing self.

In other words, all questions, answers and experience are correct, because they all proceed or are part of the eternal intelligence which brings it forth

Session 57 - Dialogues (Conversations With My Higher Self) - Ken MacLean


answered 25 Mar '10, 22:55

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You are what you perceive your self to be "as in the mind is in the body".

Jesus said we can do all things through him, if we believe.

We are born into this world like a clean slate for the conscious mind is anew. Than as we grow and learn we add to the slate (to the conscious mind) what we see, what we hear, the way we are treated, the positive and negative ideas and perceptions of things people, parents and others say we can and can't do.

Then as we get older we apply negative and positive things to ourselves as well. Now if we have been in deep thought with our selves an believe in our selves whole heartedly as some would say than you begin to rise above the negative stereotypes people place on you and become the person you always knew deep down in your heart you knew you could be and do.

Now as you research and get to know your self better you realize your own personal thoughts affect you in an mighty big way. So you begin to tune out the negative thoughts of yourself at first and then others later (trying real hard to keep the doubt at bay).

So now mankind has learned that God has created him to be an mighty creature with superb intelligence to speak and become what ever he desires. So this may take many years because we must also remember we must eat and give our bodies all of the nutrients it requires to maintain the healthiest of bodies in order to continue to bring in the thought process of self creating. Now food has had so many additives and preservatives added to it that it is not going to help keep the body in it natural healthy state. Yes we can think and speak into an healthy state but we must also give it the proper nutrients so it can keep itself in that almost perfect healthy state.

If we continue to focus on an healthy mind, spirit, and body for us all than we will be limitless as we perceive our selves to be according to how we take good care of our physical bodies, our human brain and mind, and our spirit. Belief is the KEY.

We must project goodness, good health, kindness, peace, love, prosperity, friendship, compassion, understanding, tranquility, respect and oneness with God in the larger reallity of the world as well as your own personal reality.


answered 20 Nov '09, 20:27

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edited 21 Nov '09, 07:43

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Very nice answer Michaela. I believe that we are all eternal spirit that has been granted a human experience rather than a body that has a spirit. The awakening occurs when we shed our ego and allow our mind , body, to follow that eternal spirit through messages given to us in our emotions. We are here to feel good. If it doesn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, adjust your direction.


answered 21 Nov '09, 21:12

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One can only get ready for the truth through living life and challenging its limitations.Then you appreciate your wholeness because now you are ready for that.


answered 29 Nov '09, 18:47

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edited 29 Nov '09, 19:48

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because of ignorance! man is creator! on this earth apart from nature everything is man made! but is ignorance makes man think that the creation have more power then him or he use creation to have power over other! so man cause is own suffering!


answered 10 May '11, 19:37

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white tiger

white tiger, we do create our own suffering especially when challenging nature. however in the core of our hearts is that part/sliver of the All and until it is recognized we play with our man-made gods. if we only use 1/3 of our potential we set ourselves up for limitations, errors, more suffering than necessary.

(11 May '11, 00:04) fred

what ever the quantity of potential you use if you set limit and accept stuf from ignorance you cause suffering! the only limit is the one that you imposse on your self! anduntil every body can notice that there will always be error stupidity and suffering!why i say everybody because we all share this world! so even if you try to make it good for you there will always be other people jealous of you and they will try to make it tuff for you out of ignorance! and if you don't accept limit imposse on you people will not accept it! look at the movie matrix or the story of jesus! and you will seeit

(11 May '11, 02:30) white tiger

that is why jesus said be in this world but do not be apart from it! "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

(11 May '11, 02:32) white tiger

in the matrix they try to get people out of it but they need to becarefull because many are not ready and will fight to protect the system! even if the system control them and enslave them!

(11 May '11, 05:18) white tiger
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We as children have been told that we can do this,or we can't do that.We were programed to think as those before us.If you locked a baby in a room and never told him or her that this or that wasn't possable,they would think anything was.You have to listen with,not only your ears,but with all your sences to truely know that all is possable.


answered 13 May '11, 19:27

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