People were shocked to find out that Jerry Hicks may have died from some sort of "disease". I seem to remember Franz Bardon had a difficult life physically (was tortured) and died at a young age, yet he still managed to leave mankind with a huge gift (Hermetics)...Just like Jerry via Esther-Abraham. Do we expect that Spiritual Icons should only die in a "peaceful" non disease or physically violent way ?
Does the way in which a person leaves this earth, a reflection of their spiritual growth or attainment ? It seems that people expect a "spiritual guru" or ascended being to die "happily in their sleep" or something of that nature. What are your thoughts on this ?
asked 17 Dec '11, 15:10
I'm not personally aware of any correlation between spiritual attainment and manner of death. Who is the judge of another's level of spiritual attainment anyway?
However, Abraham have spoken in the past how the general manner of one's death can reflect the vibrational attitude leading up to death.
To understand how this can be so, there needs to be a couple of points made clear about so-called "death"
So how does the manner of one's death fit in here?
Abraham have said that as a "rule of thumb", a death that is sudden (regardless of the circumstances of the death) is generally one that was chosen as a joyous transition.
On the other hand, deaths that are long and lingering are generally resistance-related i.e. it's not that death was necessarily the immediate next joyous step in an eternal life experience but rather that someone became so resistance-laden in their life that life-force was gradually throttled to such an extent that death (being an expression of joyous non-resistance) was ultimately the only option left as the release from that resistance. Death became The Next Logical Step for freedom in those cases.
This is because during the death transition, all resistance built up over a physical lifetime is automatically and permanently released. There is never any carrying-over of resistance from one lifetime to another so that Karma business cannot exist in the way that many people think.
So given all of that, it might suggest that Jerry Hicks was perhaps encountering some resistant attitudes within himself that led to a long-term illness that led to his eventual death. I don't know and I don't really care. I'm not in any position to judge, and would not want to anyway.
We need to bear in mind that Jerry Hicks, like every other person who has ever walked this planet, was choosing to have a human experience and the experiences he chose were for his own reasons just like the rest of us.
In my view, labelling anyone else as more or less spiritually attained than another is where disempowering and judgemental philosophies of life get started.
answered 17 Dec '11, 19:35
Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.
Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
Salome said, "Who are you mister? You have climbed onto my couch and eaten from my table as if you are from someone."
Jesus said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father."
"I am your disciple."
"For this reason I say, if one is whole, one will be filled with light, but if one is divided, one will be filled with darkness."
He said to them, "You examine the face of heaven and earth, but you have not come to know the one who is in your presence, and you do not know how to examine the present moment."
if you live by _ you will die by__.
experience and enjoy.
The one whom is advanced enough to consciously die is awake. This is the goal to see that there is no death but of the body we continue on and as we do if we pass over consciously we know we still are. Many die unconsciously because they fear so much they shut themselves down like going into a deep sleep or void until they can eventually be awakened on the other side. This is a step most end up going through a shut down between life awake of the physical and awake of the spiritual side. The goal of the master is to stay awake through the death process as a transition in conscious awareness. He finds for himself in this the body was only a vehicle he had been using.
The Epitaph of Young Benjamin Franklin
Benjamin Franklin's Final Epitaph
answered 17 Dec '11, 16:48
Birth is the beginning of physical life and death of the physical body is the birth of a beginning into the spiritual life. We end up where we started at the beginning. It simply means there are only bigennings and no ends for the moment something ends something else is reborn.
We are all human and I don't see the reason why people were suprised by Jerry Hicks death. We all have to die physically sometime. Human bodies are just that bodies and they can't last forever.
Why not rather remember the gift he gave us and let him rest in much deserved peace.
answered 17 Dec '11, 21:01
our physical health or lack of it,
our surprises come from ignorance
answered 17 Dec '11, 21:58
What was disappointed to audience not his death but the way or how he died, for he must die someday.
To me it is not disappointing, scanning many spiritual leaders death, most of them had a dramatically death story when you have a journey of spiritual life, mind and soul experiences the body get weak, I when I force my mind in a spiritual analyze and thinking at the end of the day I feel the desire to just sleep and stop thinking and that is not because the spiritual experiences are harsh to the physical body, it is because of that curious soul that want to undergo through many many spiritual stories at no time, which body can not handle all at once and shout to be slowly on him, I believe the soul is more energetic than the body which are busy in completely materialistic jobs such as digestion, respiration, blood transmitting and so on the fun thing is to have balance between magic soul and normal physical body.
About Jerry he just not any spiritual leader he is teaching the science of being well, strong, energetic, clear of illness, distraction and again it is not astonishment that he died with some disease for me, because you can know many things, you could recognize the whole story but it does not mean you can make it all the time even if you are the teacher, because even the teacher is experiencing and testing, and he can make it here and lose there and only then he can gain the knowledge to spread it.
For him that he died and could not overcome the disease is like that the death is the end but it is not, the body let him down but the spirit is flying and experiencing a lot in some where, and maybe the body did not really let him down maybe his coming experience is his own vibration.
I do believe that death is the next exciting stage when you overcome the past one and he already experienced and gave a lot when he was in a physical body.
So the death has nothing to do with your spiritual attainment, you can die in the car, in the bed, in the prison, whatever that could not cancel what you experienced and what you have done.
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