We are able to identify the particles that make up atoms- so what makes up those particles? I believe that when we look at the world on this level, we are getting closer and closer to finding out about how the Universe has been put together by God. Are we actually getting close to God when we study these things?
asked 06 Dec '09, 11:04
My short answer would be yes.
At a certain level, explaining the physical world requires stepping beyond it. An expanded perspective is required to see the 'forest for the trees'. A proper understanding of the effects eventually requires a look at the cause.
You mention an interesting point. In that, studying how various physical things are operating can give us a glimpse into the mind which crafted them. An artist is known through his art. A writer through his words. For example, there are people who believe that we are here purely to lick God's boots - I have reason to believe that is not what God wants - and if God did, it would have created quite a different universe.
Some of the above answers - seem to have missed the mark and gone into rants about how science cannot ever accept or provide evidence for the 'spiritual'. As someone who is studying science at university currently - with great interest in scientific subjects I almost take offense at it. (almost)
Science has no say in the matter. It is heading that way - and will continue to because it reaches for truth. Regardless of the resistance from some of those studying it. Whether it will ever be able to actually explain, is another matter. But the question was, are we getting closer to it...not will we be able to explain it, or reach full understanding - and the answer to that is an emphatic yes!
Frankly, like with many things, those who disagree bang their pans louder than those who agree, creating an illusion that there are more who disagree...and even more frank - most of those doing the banging are not even scientists, but the general population who holds the science they do not study deeply as their guiding beacon of light!
Also, old people die - the younger ones embracing and taught in the new theories? Not so much. Not until they are old enough to be clinging to the currently new theories - which will then possibly be old!
Our structures of knowledge & understanding seem to be exercises in limitation. There are certain rules that have to be followed.
If it is a mathematical approach you have to contain all you knowledge within the numbers 0 to 9
If it is scientific it has to conform to the scientific method and be repeatable, when in reality nothing is repeatable. There are always differences at the molecular level.
Consciousness on the other hand is different. it is not thought or language. it is more than both of those.
Trying to capture an understanding with a scientific approach is like trying to convey the emotion of Love with a mathematical formula. But they are necessary to brige the gap between the spiritual understanding and the practical application of it in a physical three dimensional reality.
answered 06 Dec '09, 23:20
They may, but they most probably won't openly admit. ;-)
But what drives scientists is at last the will to explain everything. Should they encounter the answer "God", they most probably won't be satisfied by that and continue searching for a more rational answer.
There were times when scientists thought they almost got everything, but then they suddenly hit much more crazy stuff: theory of relativity, and quantum theory, which don't go together at all, hence string theory was born, others have a theory of a fractal structure of universes within universes, and so on.
Maybe God always keeps us giving more toys to play with, just when we have yet again come close enough to the possible limits, who knows? ;-)
answered 07 Dec '09, 06:26
When science found out that light is sometimes particles of matter and sometimes waves of energy, I said when I read that "Science just found The Word!" I was stunned at this where energy becomes matter! In other words vibration solidified into the physical, when we speak we send out sound vibrations when we think we send out thought vibrations. I find this pretty interesting that "In The Beginning" God spoke everything in the universe into existence. The more we study science the more we find this beginning is now constantly all matter created from vibration now.
There is a story from my mystery school of a scientist and a metaphysician.
The scientist and the metaphysician agree to meet and talk, both sides have their own followers that were kind of their cheering team. Both sides thought they were going to make fools of the other side. The scientist and the metaphysician meet and they go into a tent together to talk, this last hours, and both sides feel sure it would be their side that wins this. Finely after hours they come out of the tent together. The metaphysician says "everything I see, he knows." then the scientist said "everything I know, he sees." Both sides cheered it was a victory for both sides as they realized they were not opposed at all but instead have been looking at the same things from two perspectives.
answered 08 Dec '09, 00:37
I think yes and the Large Hardron Collider near Geneva will open our eyes a little.
answered 08 Dec '09, 15:10
Nope, we aren't getting closer to anything because we study or learn. That's the same as saying that something that doesn't learn can't evolve. As long as there is time things will evolve and move. That's just how it is.
This question then could easily lead to another question: is the future already written?
I don't know, but if it is then the answer to the first question is "no" again. In a pre-determined future nothing we do can change it, just like we can't change the past. Not much of a point picturing this, then.
If it isn't, then we actually could think that without working our way to something, it will never happen. But "never happen" can only exist in a finite time spam.
I actually believe it's a mix of both. But I really can find no words to explain how, right now.
Anyway, sorry for deviating so much. My point here is the exact science is not getting closer to spirituality at all. Look at universities all around the world, people are not getting more spiritual than they were centuries ago.
Spirituality at other hand is, as always, following advances in science. So it's always trying to explain whatever science can't with scientific terms, and it gets more and more complicated to the point it looks the same. But it isn't. And it may never be.
answered 18 Mar '10, 21:37
No, I don't think science and the spiritual world is getting closer. For the spiritual world can not be explain by scientificate explanations. Now a scientist who is involved in spiritual things can try and put a scientificate spin on it but he can not explain it. For science is all about being able to duplicate the same sequence again and again. you can not do that in the spirit world. What is spirit is spirit and what is physical is physical.
But I do think scientist are trying to learn more about the spiritual not to learn more of God but to learn more of a power or gifts to be use and malipulated into something destructive maybe. They are checking out all areas of everything now just to see is there anything to it. If someone said they could fly like superman they would check into to see how they could harness that power for other useses they would like to use it for.
Even the true healing of an individual is unexpainable if it is done through spiritual ways.
Now if you have someone who has both an spiritual mind of understanding and a scientific mind of understanding and he knows where to leave off the science and go into the metaphysical aspects of it than he can bring some understanding to what just happen but not in a scientific way than he would have to be talking to someone who has an open mind to the spiritual side of things.
You can not explain God scientifically or angels. You can not. That why God and Jesus said it is base on our faith. Jesus told the woman with the issue of blood who touch his garment. Who touch me he said and the deciples said Lord of all these people walking around in this crowded area bumping into you and you want to know who touched you. He said yes someone touched me for I felt the healing go out of me and into someone who touched me. The lady said I did my Lord and he said go for your faith has healed you for you believe if you could simpy touch the hem of my garment you would be healed and so you are.
science is well aware of its limitations , at some point they find themselves up against a brick wall where either they experience a ''breakthrough'' or throw their hands up and say ''only god knows''
answered 13 Dec '09, 23:18
With last weeks discovery of a possible "fifth force", not the God Particle (Higgs Boson), we are always moving towards new discoveries to enlighten us.
But the thing is, there is no 'end point" no prize at the bottom of the box. Only constant unfolding of this infinite universe as above so below. CNN Is it a new Particle?
answered 10 Apr '11, 17:25
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