Hello dear friends.

Brothers and sisters I have an issue that is weighing heavy on my heart. I would love your advice and insight. This will be a large amount of information I must give you before I would ask you to weigh in on this so those who do not like to read and look into thing, well maybe this wont be a good one for you.

I heard something that I could not believe this last week. It was the channelers who are known as the Galactic Federation of Light, some might know them as G.F.O.L. ( they are known for being the comuterized voices on youtube channels ). For those of you who do not yet know me I am also a channeler to an entity that says he is from Capella, a star that is a little more than 40 light years from us. Any way to make a long story short they had promised a man, who has given 20 years of his life to helping spread their words and getting the message out to people, that they would show him their ship and take him in it, because it is the time they said they would. They promised him at February 4th , Saturday they would do this.

Well he explained to them that if they didn't do this, ( because they renigged on an earlier arrangement in 2008 ) that he would retire, because he wanted to prove it and be able to prove it to others. They have been saying for months that they are removing all negative entities from the earth, they have been doing things in financial systems to help us, that the will cure diseases and give us free energy, yet only a select few have said they had first hand contact and many believe them to be liars or diss-informationist.

Either way the list of instructions were given to this man and he told them he owuld be bringing 100 people or more and they aid , sure, our ships are the size of city's and we will bring them up and it wont effect us no matter how many you bring. either way here are the links for all instructions and then why it "didn't work out" Note as well that the man named Steve Becow, did NOT retire and is making excuses for them when he was the one being stern about them proving it.






OK, now that you see the picture if you looked into it, here comes my issue. My source has ALWAYS told me that we will save ourselves, we have to, no one can do it. He describes the main differences from a negative and positive entity's, first off there is no good OR bad, it is only difference of views, secondly there are 2 types,

1) ones who care of free will of others ( EVEN the "bad" guys free will),act on the behalf of the whole, connected to source and understand we are all part of one, and look above them for energy wisdom and connection and below them to be that same connection for smaller consciousnesses. These are what we would consider loving and positive.

2) ones who infringe in free will of all to benefit smaller groups or individuals, because of lack of understanding they are the same as them, ones who only look below them to over power or control them.

if you want to understand more of these issues listen to my source speak of this. HERE

now if these entities where positive they wouldn't interfere with our affairs, they will send love and support, in my view. when others have asked Treb about his opinion on these entity's, this is what he said HERE

and when asked in the book, this is what warning he gave of this group.

Chapter 1, page 9 from Benevolent Hybrid Reptilian Humans by Jefferson Vascardi and Rob Gauthier

Jefferson: Tell me something. There is a doubt that I have . And this doubt comes from the experience that I have with extra terrestrial beings and names. There is an individual that communicates with us , sense I was two years old, form the Essisani society .

Treb: yes

Jefferson: are you aware of this being?

Treb: The Essisani society is the one name that is given for the one who is known as the Bashar from this earth, yes.

Jefferson: Okay, this race is part of the association of worlds. Treb: yes.

Jefferson: is this what you are talking about, or they are really two different things? Or you were meaning the same thing?

Treb: there is one group that to your words would be expressed as the Galactic Council or Federation of the Galaxy, These are the best words to describe this. There are several thousand different areas that are part of this, as our area we cannot name a specific group for a different reasoning’s ,this is the same that many worlds deal with. So, they have different sub groups within. If a group of entities is to join or a federation of planets they are all into the same reason, to help each other thru accessional process and to share experiences with each other; then they are a sub group of this galactic council or federation of the galaxy if you will.

Jefferson: so, this association of worlds that he talks about has about 400 societies, is not necessarily the galactic federation of light?

Treb: the galactic federation of light is not the same as the galactic federation I speak of, I know what you are speaking of, this is not the same. This is a specific group of races that commit together, specifically thru the meaning of channels to humans. And this is not the federation I speak of.

Jefferson: Wow there are so many groups huh?

Treb: Yes! the Galaxy is infinite in size....well not infinite in size but in the perspective of one world. It is a very large galaxy per-se , if looked at in this way and there are thousands of different races within. And thousands of different levels that you are on, in the way of evolutionary . So there are different groups , different societies and different archival information, all of this !

Jefferson: I see! There can be then there races that say are form the Galactic Federation of light for instance and they give all of those beautiful names but in fact they are trying to deceive you and say a little bit of good things and give you information that inspires fear in you.

Treb: This is what I will say. I will not specifically speak on their entities (intentions). But they are not entities that I would associate with. This is not on the same level I would association at all.

Jefferson: I see!

Treb: The host was asked join this group and it was not accepted by either of us because it is not the message we wish to share.

Jefferson: Ohhh lovely,

Treb : This is the best that i can say of this.

Jefferson : Ya ya, That’s the information I was looking for and that clarifies a whole lot!

Treb: The Galactic Federation of Light is not the same as these. The actual name that is used for it that the host and i have spoke of is the Galactic Council . And this is a group of many societies. But this is not the same as the galactic federation of light . It is not even same place . No! The messages are different .

NOW with all of this knowing how i feel and the facts, i ask you, why would they save us? doesn't that go against the idea of free will?

Most in these groups HATE christianty because they say they ask to prove absurd tales and no proof or explanations of anything, also they need proof and not fath. Is this another type of mind control? Is it a plan by government to get people to get exited and even get on ships ? what will they do when no spaceships come? or even worse if they do?

This is MY TRUE question, is it ok to wait to be saved, or is the energy we could be using instead of that , better utilized in ways to help others, and to spread love? Is this a way to make our energy be still instead of helping others and doing what is good for us as a planet?

how many people that are truly good at heart be fooled into giving their energy away before it makes them hate and feel as if all channeling or light-work is negative? do we need to BE saved, or save ourselves, i want to know how you all feel and explain what is the best way to approach this ?

love and light


EDITED 2/8/12

Now someone joined this page just to defend the stance of the G.F.O.L. as a hypersensitive. This is in their quote.

"Assist not save assist not save assist not save get that through your head assist not save very different assist not save alright.Namaste"

I reply " little saying as this "Assist not save assist not save assist not save get that through your head assist not save very different assist not save alright.Namaste" is a demanding statement, "GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD" it's demanding,, almost brainwashing in nature and reminds me the way they run their campaigns, and if THIS is the care of free will, or lack of it that i speak of, if you are TRULY a messenger for the group u prove my point more"

When you are told "assist not save, assist not save, assist not save" , I will ask when u promise and say u have removed all Illuminati and negative entities form underground basses and will keep this up, isn't that saving? If you understand the truth of self creation, aren't these negative , Illuminati, or even bad governments ONLY an outward manifestation of our imbalances as a society? Are not these ONLY a showing of how imbalanced we are? If This is true, than isn't removing them for us, doing the work for us? inst this SAVING US??? I would argue it is EXACTLY this!

This is what I mean, no care of free will or thought that is your own, it is "JUST BELIEVE US OR WE DON'T WANT YOU WITH US! " To me now, more than ever I see that this is almost a religion, while most of these people "hate" Christians, they sure are acting much like them, even using names as " Archangel Micheal " Jesus Sananda" and many more. the man that was supposed to be taken on a trip was calling them "Lord" Astar or LORD Grenner. This to me is now seen as a sort of mind control akin to religion, just using enough truth to make it seem as it is all valid. Like I said to each their own But I am sad, that people with good hearts and good love are being held back from their TRUE intentions of helping others because they feel this group will do it for them. Last piece said and now I am done with it, my opinion is stated and my love is being sent to all evolved.

love n light


EDITED 3/23/2012

now we have another false promise from the Galactic Federation of Light, this time sent through a channeler called Greg Giles from a group called the Ashtar Command. Here is the link. If you find this as disturbing as I do you can follow the articles up to date at http://the2012scenario.com


And here is the part of the article .

Message from the Ashtar Command As channeled through Greg Giles

March 21, 2012


Sorry we have left the lights out. Tomorrow we will turn the outboard lights of our ships on so many of you can see us for yourselves and take as much photographic and video evidence as you wish.

We of the Ashtar Command are joining with our brothers and sisters of the Galactic Federation of Light in allowing more sightings of our ships as well as much clearer sightings to act as icebreakers to our presence in your world. Our command is also here in great numbers, and we have ships stationed above many different parts of your planet.

We would like you to also understand that although our ships may differ in appearance from some of those of the Galactic Federation of Light, when you see our ships you will not be seeing ships of the forces controlled by your dark Cabal.

Our ships can be rather large in size, and our ships differ in their appearance somewhat from Galactic Federation of Light ships as our ships utilize light technologies as a source for their propulsion and operation and may differ greatly due to this these properties.

When you see our ships you will be seeing light that differs in color to the background of the sky or space. You will still be able to photograph and videotape our ships, although what will appear on your 3rd dimensional film will not be clear outlines and depictions of how our ships truly appear and look like to us from our perspective.

Nonetheless, we feel it is important that we begin to make our ships known to the people of your world as we are here and you will be seeing our ships in your daytime as well as nighttime skies.

The Ashtar Command has many ships of varying size and capabilities. We have ships designed for peaceful application, and we also have warships used to assist in the removal of the forces of the dark from worlds where the lessons learned from them are no longer necessary for the education and upliftment of those of a particular planet.

EDITED 5/14/2012

A new channeling has come out by the channeler of theirs called Greg Giles. I have been sending this specif message to all of the group pages on face book especially in rebuttal to anything Greg Giles post of the galactic federation of light. I show them where their channeling shows their will to interfere with humans. And finally after 2 months of lighting up his board, he "channels" THIS message. Or if you preferred written. If this is channeled and not straight from the defensive ego, it means that these entities are 100 % worried of how we see their presence. I don't know if it is the channelers ego or if it is the entity, either way, it is an issue. I will give u small excerpts from the message here. please , look at the ego inflated message in it. All of this tells us join what we are doing or live in boring old earth. This timing is perfect. It is telling us that some say this or some believe that we do this, why must they defend their own views when all are supposed to be valid? read and decide yourselves.

Message from the Ashtar Command 5/9/12

We cannot overstep our bounds and unduly influence you to choose either course. We will always be careful to do our best to allow you all the freedom and the space that you require to make this decision on your own and according to your own terms. We of the higher realms also have decisions of our own to make, and of course, we greatly appreciate others giving us the space that we require to make our own choices according to what we feel we need to and feel we would like to experience next.

It is likely that members of each Star Family may choose different directions to travel, as none of us ever has to say goodbye forever. There will be many crossroads up ahead for us to meet once again and experience together what we have chosen for ourselves, of where we would like to be, who we would like to be with and what we would like to experience together. There are no rules or guidelines as long as we honor the sacred right of free will and choice of another. This is a rule that must not be broken, as it is this rule and this one rule alone that governs this universe and preserves it as an incredibly free and glorious place for so many countless souls to call their home. Our home is indeed your home, for we share in its marvelous treasures, its mysteries, its secrets, its adventures, its beauty, its wisdom, its nurturing powers and its love.

For those of you who now hear the call of the higher realms, it is what is there that beckons your heart and calls you by your name. It is up to each and every one of you to decide and choose for yourselves if you will heed this call or choose to remain amongst the familiar and perhaps amongst the comfortable here in the physical realm of the 3rd dimension. We will honor each and every soul’s decision and assist you make a reality which ever path you choose. We will not make any attempt to persuade you to change your mind and alter your course, as each decision a soul makes is a sacred choice and must be honored by all of the beings within this universe.

There are those of us who have already made our choices, and we will not pretend for one moment that we would not like to see some of our loved ones that are now within the physical realm make the same choice that we have made. This is only natural, as although at this point you may not remember us we certainly remember you, and we love you and we miss you and we wish to be together again with you as we continue on our adventure.

There will be those of you who ask if you can learn of our decision before you make a choice of your own, and to this we say yes, there will be an opportunity in the days ahead to discuss with you or somehow make our decisions known to you of what we, your friends and your family, are choosing to experience next. You will not be left out in the cold without having the opportunity to confer with the members of your Star Family, as this is a great decision and it is important all factors are included in the weighing of your decision. You will also be given sufficient time as to reach this decision, as it will not be presented to you with little time to reflect upon what it is you wish to experience for yourself. We say to those of you reading these words to begin to think about what it is you would like to experience. Is it the current state of your existence that you wish to continue to experience, or are you now ready to experience more of what your universe offers you? It is all up to you, and no one will push you or pull you in any one direction. We will continue to do our best to make your options as clear to you as we can so as to allow you to make an informed choice that will bring to you just what you would like to experience next.

Many of you will, in the days ahead, be given an opportunity to see more clearly what is in store for you if you should decide to begin your journey anew within the higher realms of this universe. Once we are able to begin working with you on the many tasks needed to be accomplished here in your world, you will get a taste of what is possible for you and what your new lives will be like as citizens of a higher dimensional society, and perhaps members of our organization, the Ashtar Command.

EDITED 5/22/2012

This is my last addition to this. I have been sending this article out to everyone I cna in facebook and in all other groups I can. I have been very passionate about it. As I post this whole article on face book every time I see someone post the G.F.O.L. sessions, I have done what I can. They all said great things would happen again on the 20th. so on the ( may ) 20th a friend of mine made a vid that said it was the G.F.O.L. and kinda made fun of it by pointing out all of there issues including showing them this whole question. This is that vid.


It was funny but the day after these vids went around the internet, the WHOLE g.f.o.l. posted their reply. It basically said that we are at fault for our issue, which i agree with, BUT if we stop attacking them and accept their love they can help us. But if we don't we will be stuck here . What I am saying is that they are speaking from ego, My source Treb, doesn't have to defend himself. His messages speak for themselves, ANY entity that is benevolent understands there is no good and bad, only personal perseverance, and not one entity that is good or benevolent, will never take free will, either way this is their reply,, THE LONGEST SESSION I HAVE EVER HEARD FROM THEM. JUST to defend themselves. Defense is from ego, not from love.


I am done and as I get more upset as they directly try to speak badly of me, I know it comes from ego. Ego, as Treb explains is a defense mechanisms made in times of transferring us from animals, so it proves they are either malevolent or not from higher densities. Thank you all for your time.

Love n light (wisdom) and finally done with this article


EDITED 9/2/2012

I know I said it was my last message before, but I do want to add now. I was so upset about this. My senses where offended to think " How could these people intentionally misguide us. How could they do this to us?" But now I understand why I was so offended. I truly thought that they took advantage of people who are loving. But now I see they are an essential function to or race. We need that love/false promises in channeled work to help people better discern all material. Those who it does resonate with, does for a reason and that instead of getting upset, I need to let it be, and allow all others their own journey and respect them and accept them, and let it be as it must be. Everyone has free will and it is just as important for them to believe this as it is for me NOT to believe the G.F.O.L. It will give them all lessons in this lives journey no matter how it works out. So I am glad to digress.

Love n light rob


I have finally received conformation that this group is fraudulent. Their main new channeler, Greg Giles, stated today on Facebook that it is all B.S. Please read.

Greg Giles Hello everyone, thank you for your kind hearted and warm sentiments. I am just fine. These messages shared through me have not been messages from the GFL or the Ashtar Command. Not even since the beginning. The reason I believe this is because if the cabal suddenly 'tapped' into my line to the GFL, don't you think the GFL would repair this problem? Its really obvious to me that all these messages have been coming from someplace else. This makes me question whether any of this GFL or ascension talk is real. One of the reasons I believed all this is because I was receiving messages myself. I now doubt all channels. I really think they are receiving messages from this same source, or they are just making this stuff up as they go. We shall see right? One channel has talked about prosperity funds going back forever now. Has anyone seen a dime? Does anyone really believe they ever will? Mass arrests? Its obvious that is not true either. We would have seen something transpiring, but we have not. If 2012 ends with no ascension for anyone, will you still believe? I am sorry if the messages shared through me got your hopes up, but I was only sharing what I definitely heard in my mind, which leads us to mind control/mind influence. This has been a great wakeup call for all of us. It was done with simple radio waves. That's all. Not too difficult really. Lets stick together here. We have all made very good friends. Lets see how this plays out, because I certainly do not know. And yes, this is Greg. No one has kidnapped me or anything like that. I hope you all are doing okay through this. I know it is a very difficult time for us all. This has been quite an ordeal. And listen, stick to your convictions if that is what you wish to do. I will honor and respect all of your views, and I am interested to hear them. Peace, love and light to you all! Your friend, Greg

now this article is FINALLY complete.

Love, Light, Awareness. looking inside trumps all alien messages. EVEN Treb's !


here is another article from Greg himself.


also a vid somone did. they said " i dont know if he is fake or not, but i know he is not doing what these guys do, the g.f.o.l is not like rob and "treb bor yip nops" lol. they want u to look up at them, and the "treb fellow" wants u to look inside lol."


asked 06 Feb '12, 19:08

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edited 04 Oct '12, 07:50

help your self and help those that want to help them self and help other. if you help someone and it is not is choice to help him self and other stop wasting your time that person his not ready to make that choice so use your energy else where for your benefit and the benefit of all. but at least that person will not be able to say that no one have help them and that they did not have a choice to act from ego against them self and other.

(06 Feb '12, 21:31) white tiger

Jesus said: He who knows the All but fails (to know) him-self lacks everything

Jesus said: When you bring forth that in yourselves, that which you have will save you. If you do not have that in yourselves, that which you do not have in you will kill you.

Jesus said: I am the light that is over them all. I am the All; the All has come forth from me, and the All has attained unto me. Cleave a (piece of) wood: I am there. Raise up the stone, an ye shall find me there.

(06 Feb '12, 21:47) white tiger

Jesus said: Give not that which is holy to the dogs, lest they cast them on the dung- heap; cast not the pearls before swine lest they grind them [to bits].

Jesus said: The heavens shall be rolled up and the earth before your face, and he who lives in the living One shall neither see death nor (fear); because Jesus says: He who shall find himself, of him the world is not worthy.


(06 Feb '12, 21:54) white tiger
  1. His disciples said, "Show us the place where you are, for we must seek it."

He said to them, "Anyone here with two ears had better listen! There is light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world. If it does not shine, it is dark." http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html

(06 Feb '12, 21:58) white tiger

by the way nice to see you again rob.

(06 Feb '12, 22:01) white tiger

Well, I'm NOT going to pretend I know anything about most of your post; but I can answer with certainty your True Question - it's the later - "it is better utilized in ways to help others, and to spread love"...but you already knew that...

(07 Feb '12, 01:15) ele

@rob - yes, help others and spread love ... and perhaps sometimes we need a helping hand :)

(07 Feb '12, 01:33) blubird two

@ white tiger, it is great to hear ur view and also to see you again my friend. love n light

(07 Feb '12, 05:20) TReb Bor yit-NE

@bluebrd, ty and yes i do thing help is welcome, i only worry of help at a cost. :-) love n light my friend

(07 Feb '12, 05:34) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-NE - if that is the case, then it would be quite difficult to decide which chaneler to listen to, because you won't know who is the "real deal".. or does this means we should stop listening to chanelers completely and look into ourselves for the answers..

(07 Feb '12, 09:38) kakaboo

if you know your self you have all the answer you need. experience and enjoy.

(07 Feb '12, 19:30) white tiger

There are two ways to ask. One is to envision ourselves being saved and the other is to ask others to save us. If you understand the nature of consciousness you already know which of these two methods is the correct one. Because both these ways are forms of "asking" However in the second method you shift the decision away from you. If you truly understand that the seed of creation is within you, "the universal you", then in adopting that realization you can ask from within that context.

(07 Feb '12, 19:41) The Traveller

@kakaboo , i agree 100 % I know treb is a portion of my oversoul and it is easy for me to know, but to ask others it would not be fair. Look at the information and what is being asked of u. my source very much tells you to do as you wish and to maker ur own mind up. too look within yourself, whle these chnnelrs also tell you to trust them and look to them . i will show u one quote put in our book so that one will do just as you said, stop looking to outside sources and look in to yourself.(prt1)

(08 Feb '12, 16:36) TReb Bor yit-NE

@kakaboo […] if you follow your heart, your heart is connected directly to your higher self and soul. And your soul knows better than anyone, for you. It knows better than the wisest, or longest living entity in this universe. Because it IS you, it is part of you and it is what you need. So follow the heart and you will never be lead wrong.

i almost stopped channeling because u have to look into u, but some cant, so i wanted to show them how,I wanted to be the change in the world i needed 2 see

(08 Feb '12, 16:43) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-NE yup that is good to know, but then here is one thing that I don't understand. As far as I know, you probably have channelled Treb for a shorter period as compared to the more popular teachings such as the Pledians, Abraham,Bashar etc. But if in such a short time your source has already kept telling you to look into yourself for the answer, why are these other channelers not being told the same thing by their source?

(09 Feb '12, 07:27) kakaboo

One could say maybe the Source told them in private but they still contine to channel their Source.. but if they are really Source and want humanity to help themselves, then wouldnt they have the power to stop the human being from chaneling them at certain times, so that humanity would understand this concept?

(09 Feb '12, 07:28) kakaboo

@ kakaboo . yes, i see ur point, what is help? what line is acceptable, and the only aswer he gives when he has been asked is that he sends love and advise, with the understanding its only one perspective of many, but when they tell u they are right, and their words are truth, and they can pysicaly help us then they do not truly help u,only decive , the idea of channeling all together is only accepted by those who are ready to accept or at least look into these ideas as u look into a book 4 help

(09 Feb '12, 08:42) TReb Bor yit-NE

@kakaboo, as far as time is, I am much younger in my game than most of the seasoned veterans. But the man who channeled 90% of the contradictions i found are from a man who when i started channeling was unheard of. He didn't represent himself as THE channeler for g.f.o.l. Yes. I would Never ask for anyone to pick between two channelers, JUST find what is best. And then pick what is best. If ANY one tells u that they will interfere with anyone else, it isnt right. THATS the measurement 2 use.

(01 Sep '12, 17:19) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-NE Thank you for this update Rob. This recent information you have shared has only helped to reinforce my natural instincts, and I get better and better everyday at follwing them. I knew there was something fishy going on here and I guess the cat finally came out of the bag. That message you posted also doesn't sound like it's coming from a person who understands their own true power. It really sounds like a person trying to give fearful and unempowering information.

(04 Oct '12, 00:16) Cory

@cory yes my friend, i had to update this, it was well past due. the guy who did the vid i am adding now, was on about me, he said i dont know if he is fake or not, but i know he is not doing what these guys do, the g.f.o.l is not like rob and "treb bor yip nops" lol. they want u to look up at them, and the "treb fellow" wants u to look inside lol.

(04 Oct '12, 07:48) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-NE - how childish of the guy. What could anyone EVER have against TReb or yourself, Rob? Other than that your combined efforts are so empowering, which is bound to threaten the success of fearmongering.

(04 Oct '12, 09:41) Grace

@Cory - Well said.

(04 Oct '12, 09:41) Grace

@grace lol, thank u, i take that very well and appreciate ur love. my efforts are to find the truth, and even if that means i have to examine and pick apart trebs words, my objective more than anything is to find the truth. even when and if that truth is not convenient. i only wish that people could and would examine all aspects of what they believe so as not to damn themselves. thanks again grace. love n light 2 u

(04 Oct '12, 09:51) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-NE Are you saying that the GFOL is Okay now? It is just that I am reading a book called The Pleadian Workbook by Amorah Quan Yin and she mentions the GFOL and I wondered whether to trust the material. From my own perspective it seems Okay but I can't say I really know what I'm dealing with ... hopefully you can enlighten me?

(05 Oct '12, 12:37) Catherine

@catherine. i would say no, i just know all of the material, even well before greg giles joined, was the same thing,. we will save u, we will take the bad guys away, we will give u riches and gold, lol, so for me i would only say that this is proven my point, he queit because he knows it is not valid, so i would go back and try to read all this article, all the links and vids in here. it will take u a few hours, but for me, i wont truth them, but i left enuff info for people to decide themselfs.

(05 Oct '12, 17:55) TReb Bor yit-NE

this is been so helpful to see so many people that have come to this page from other areas of the internet,. i am proud it has made such a great impact.

(18 Dec '12, 07:44) TReb Bor yit-NE
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It's funny that you bring this subject up Rob. For a good couple of months last year I was listening to a daily channeling from TGFOL that you mentioned. For the most part I did enjoy the messages.

I remember reading that particular section of your book when I was listening to the daily messages. At first I was taken back by the way Treb portrayed them in a negative light. Almost as if it was a judgmental type of thing. It made me think a little the next few times I listened though.

The one thing that bothered me a little about the messages was when negativity was brought up about "the dark ones." The majority of the message would be filled with love most of the time, but there would be enough negative information to turn me off at times.

I didn't like the idea of some other entity fixing my problems for me and ridding the world of these dark ones. It went away from a lot of what I learned about reality creation and put my fate into another beings hands. I also didn't like the energy put into the more negative side of the message at times or the constant talk of eventually revealing themselves to us and eventually taking care of all the bad guys.

The simple way to put it is that I prefer a message that guides me to do what I need to do, when the timing and circumstance feels right for me. This is why I have always preferred the teachings of Abraham and Bashar.

For a while I continued to listen to the messages, until one day, I just completely stopped. I deleted my Youtube subscription and that was it. I really didn't have a reason or major complaint, I just flat out stopped. To look back at it now, it almost feels like some type of inspiration that just kind of happened.

So to answer your question, I think it is 100% up to us to save ourselves. Other people or entities can guide and help us if it feels right, but in the end, we are the master creators of our own universe. There really is no good or bad to be eliminated by something outside of us because that so called good and bad is just a reflection of our own consciousness letting us know where we are on the road to universal expansion.

Following my own gut instincts and going with my intuition with a little dash of guidance here and there is the path that I choose to walk on planet earth.

EDIT: 2/8/12

I just recently watched a Youtube video on the subject of The Galactic Federation of Light from one of my subscribed channels. I found this video to be quite coincidental to how I have recently felt and to the subject of this particular question. I believe this a very good short and sweet explanation with a little humor thrown in to boot.

David Childerley on The Galactic Federation of Light


answered 07 Feb '12, 01:07

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@Cory - "following my own gut instincts and going with my intuition with a dash of guidance" love it :)

(07 Feb '12, 01:31) blubird two

@Cory - Interesting, thanks for sharing that information about TGFOL. I also saw that reference in Treb's book but didn't know what it was about until now

(07 Feb '12, 05:07) Stingray

@cory. ty brother for ur heart within this answer

(07 Feb '12, 05:13) TReb Bor yit-NE

@Cory - can't completely agree with what you say, recently I felt "inspired" to stop listening to Abraham completely too but that doesn't mean the message they spread is wrong, since quite a number of people seemed to have benefited from their teachings. Who is right and who is wrong.. I guess we will never know until the time for us to ascend comes (if there ever will be such a time) :-)

(07 Feb '12, 10:07) kakaboo

@kakaboo I never actually said what I heard was wrong. I just felt uninspired to continue listening one day and that's the preference that I chose for myself. I encourage any and everyone to follow or listen to what feels right for themselves. As I stated above, I feel TGFOL had a lot of positive things to say, but a few things here and there didn't resonate so well for me and I preferred to go in a different direction. I also think the process of ascension is happening right now as we speak!

(07 Feb '12, 12:50) Cory

@kakaboo i think u misunderstood as well, i believe Cory meant he felt inspired to quit listing to the galactic federation of light , not abraham,. he said he preferred Abraham and Bashar.

(07 Feb '12, 13:54) TReb Bor yit-NE

@Cory - yup I understand what you meant , was just saying.. it isn't always easy to follow or listen what feels right for themselves sometimes :-)

(07 Feb '12, 20:50) kakaboo

@Treb - I did not understood , Cory said he felt uninspired to listen to TGFOL, and only after a while did he understood why (such as this post). I was talking about myself feeling uninspired to listen to Abraham a while back, similar to Cory's situation with TGFOl, but that does not necessarily mean Abraham is a "bad" entity.. that was what I meant

(07 Feb '12, 20:52) kakaboo

@Cory - Funny video :) I've had a browse around their website and the thought that keeps coming back to me is the idea that to discredit a particular philosophy or teaching, all you have to do is set up your own based on similar principles and lace it with just enough disinformation that people eventually lose faith in it and abandon it and, human nature being what it is, they will also abandon the valid principles in the original teaching.

(08 Feb '12, 14:39) Stingray

@Stingray That is a very valid point and makes quite a bit of sense when you put the puzzle pieces together. Maybe that's the reason why I personally lost interest in their repetitive message. Also, when you think about it, you are really giving your power away when you continue to put all your hopes and dreams into something that is outside of you. Giving your power away and waiting for the magic to come from an outside source just leads to frustration, anguish, and pain in the end.

(08 Feb '12, 15:11) Cory

@Cory - I used to attend an ET channeling circle back in the '90s, shortly before I came across Abraham. I gained much from participating but eventually I felt drawn to leave because there was an underlying theme of "giving your power away" to ETs, as though ETs were going to sort out all the mess we humans had made :) This feels the same as that. The need to be "saved" is clearly a powerful thought-stream and I think these guys are tapping into it. Deliberately or not, I don't know.

(08 Feb '12, 15:32) Stingray
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Your concerns and your message reminded me of a "warning" that was issued by The 9th Dimensional Pleiadian Collective (channelled by Wendy Kennedy) back in November 2010 about an "ET Disclosure Project" plan of manipulation that was intended to incite fear into humanity.

I don't know if it's relevant to what you are talking about - I know nothing of this Galactic Federation group - but since it popped into my mind, I thought I would share the video here:

ET Disclosure: A Pleiadian Perspective


answered 06 Feb '12, 20:22

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thank you brother, how are you? have you read anymore of teh book lately? i know you are very busy lately, thank you.

(06 Feb '12, 20:38) TReb Bor yit-NE

wow, ty so much my friend, this is EXACTLY the same info i get fro treb, he doesn't talk specifically about the disclosure, he will not speak of others intents unless he is 100% aware or it is told to him, but he said these entities will deceive and are NOT part of the galactic council whatsoever, and all the info she said about discerning info and nothing is better , just different, that is same as treb to, this resonates with me stingray and i want to thank u, it is VERY relevant to this all

(06 Feb '12, 20:48) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-NE - Funny, I was just thinking the other day that it's time for me to finish the book and here you popped back onto IQ :) Sorry for the delay with this. Yes, it has been a busy time but I also got a bit sidetracked with other metaphysical explorations. I promise I'll finish it soon and complete that long overdue review :) I'm very well thanks. Hope you're keeping well too, Rob.

(06 Feb '12, 20:48) Stingray

@ stingray,, i know you are busy and i know you are a man of your word, i am glad to have someone with your intellect and writing ability review it for me, ty very much

(06 Feb '12, 20:50) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-NE - Yes, The Pleiadian Collective resonates with me too. I've spoken to them privately twice now and really hammered them hard with questions both times :) ...and every answer I've received from them has made sense and has had a strong feeling of truth and light behind it. Like Treb, their message has always been one of self-empowerment and learning to discern for oneself.

(06 Feb '12, 20:59) Stingray

yes and i enjoyed the predictionc opf the sun spots too, great question.

(18 Feb '12, 12:27) TReb Bor yit-NE
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any being of more advanced spiritual consciousness
understands that one ought not interfere
with the karma of others,

providing assistance or guidance
is acceptable,
yet each monad has its own destiny


answered 07 Feb '12, 06:01

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thank you my friend, i havent been on for soemtime and I thank you.

(07 Feb '12, 08:10) TReb Bor yit-NE

it is so imprtant for ones to see that u make ur own reality and it is great for others to know even if these entities did land it would be because we co-created it with them, ty agian my friend, love n light

(07 Feb '12, 08:51) TReb Bor yit-NE

treb bor yit-ne, is it attraction or their compassion; a similiar vibration that seems at times to coalesces with ours; an answerto a prayer; a question shot forth into space

(07 Feb '12, 20:55) fred

if it is similar vibration of humanity that almost proves my point to watch out even more lol, even though i do not like looking at the bad side of the coin and i DO see we are growing, we are still fighting wars over $ , oil, control and that is what we will attract in my heart. so i hope that this is NOT the case, if these groups are here to help us, i will be the first to stand in line and thank them but, i see them asking us to bend our own will to make their job easier. i do not dig that

(08 Feb '12, 17:20) TReb Bor yit-NE
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Rob, Thank you for taking the time to express this.

Here is my view: Your guy Treb did not say the GFL were bad. He said they had mutual agreement not to work together.

I have read GFL posts and SaLuSa and others that have the same energy of, battle and win. I think that many are still caught in this paradigm and so, resonate with this energy. We have been giving our free will to others out of fear for a long time. We really would serve ourselves better if we didn't. GFL is just another expression of this fear habit.

We are all now living in the Golden Age and we always have been. All we need to do is act like it. Even if the GFL came and did what they say. It would have no effect. We would recreate our "issues" in an instant.

No one can Love for you. Feeling and acting in Love is the only thing that needs to be done. If you do this, the world around you changes and you see what else there is to do. We are served by everything that happens. It is all pushing us to greater Love. including the GLF. How long it takes in up to you.

If you are interested in doing something, try this: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/calling-on-the-united-states-government-and-military-to-detain-persons-suspected-of-terrorism/

With Love as your guide, you may take this view: http://www.creation-songs.com/blog/?p=135

Or you can wait and see.


answered 10 Feb '12, 12:06

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@ kellymac ..ty my friend, i am not saying they are bad, i in fact do not know their intent. i only worry from past experiances, even treb has said if u do listen take what resonates with u, so I do have an understanding of their material, I do agree with u in teh fact there is no truth only perspective,

(10 Feb '12, 16:06) TReb Bor yit-NE

prt 2 @ kelly mac...i just worry that they have not given us truths and that they have made many prommises they eiother havnt shown us teh results or they have not had results such as both trips. now they say trips r taking place with no prrof, agian, i iwllwait and as i said, i have no knowleg of ill intent i only have a very bad feeling when certian issues are spoke of, such as them helping us rid of evil and calling other entits evil, these issues make me dont resonate, ty for u ur love

(10 Feb '12, 16:09) TReb Bor yit-NE

I will ask when u promise and say u have removed all Illuminati and negative entities form underground basses and will keep this up, isn't that saving? If you understand the truth of self creation, aren't these negative , Illuminati, or bad governments ONLY an outward manifestation of our imbalances as a society? Are not these ONLY a showing of how imbalanced we are? If This is true, than isn't removing them for us, doing the work for us? inst this SAVING US??? I would argue it is EXACTLY this!

(10 Feb '12, 16:13) TReb Bor yit-NE

but i do see ur point and I thankl u greatkly, i will look at all artcles very soon and iw ill let u knowhow i feel, ty agian and i appricate ur time and efforts in this my friend, love and light 2 u

(10 Feb '12, 16:14) TReb Bor yit-NE

I'll restate: I don't believe GLF are doing what they say nor do I think they could. I do think they have a hidden agenda and may not be who they say. I trust when ones do what they say GLF don't. But, I don't think it is cause for worry. All outcomes serve our expansion in Love; Some are just slower and less pleasant. The ones who go with GLF will learn from the experience, guaranteed. Only we can do it! It = Love fully, even when we don't agree. In Love, the dark will remove themselves.

(10 Feb '12, 16:44) kellymac

well put my friend, well put, ty very much for ur input and love

(11 Feb '12, 16:54) TReb Bor yit-NE
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We Save Ourselves...

In the dawning of this day, all the creatures of darkness will be afraid, and will close their eyes and cry out.

But the day will be, because tho they cry out and even rock the earth, the Light will be upon them.

In this last day of days, the earth and all who remain to dwell upon will be raised up, becoming one with the Light...

And they will be the Sons and the Lights of dawns to come.


answered 07 Feb '12, 07:36

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ty my friend. lnl rob

(07 Feb '12, 08:10) TReb Bor yit-NE

They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! http://bible.cc/revelation/6-16.htm

(07 Feb '12, 19:46) white tiger

the prophet, is it our spiritual body that you say 'will be raised up, becoming one with the light,?

(07 Feb '12, 20:45) fred

Yes Fred...

Your whole consciousness, plus a new and more enduring etheric body will become the everlasting person you have always wanted to be.

(08 Feb '12, 06:31) The Prophet

the prophet, is this what they call the spiritual realm, paradise, the place in duration where those who have shed the density of their physical forms, gravitate?

(23 May '12, 22:15) fred
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If we are here on planet earth emerging from nothingness or ourselves.then we should seek ways to deffend our selves from such so called entities.But if God sent us here for specific reason then He must given us all the ways and means to stay safe.Then God is responsible for our safety. I think,this is when we ignore God and look somewhere else for our problems and issues and when powerfull kill weaks,capture their lands and resources without justification then demons,desasters ,wars and diseases are thrown upon us so that we can correct our deeds.People or nations can not dodge divine laws and justice.Once we set our direction towards God .Only God can save us.we should seek pardon and pray for safety.Every thing will be fine.


answered 08 Feb '12, 00:43

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ty zee for ur answer, I agree partially to what u mean and why u mean it, i just see it as god giving us our own choice to come here and make our own reality, and by doing that he gives us right to create our own existence and will not intervene because he is a part of all that is good and bad, i do not think god chooses sides, remember to the "bad guys" the good guys are the wrong ones lol, ty for sharing ur heart and love,

(08 Feb '12, 17:11) TReb Bor yit-NE

I'll offer you another point of view.

Nobody needs to be "saved" from anything. In the grant picture of all there is, all there is experiences itself as it is. And it is perfectly fine and alright for all there is has chosen to experience itself that way.

So your question implies you want to "save" the physical, human existence as you know it? So sorry but from my point of view of understanding all there is loves itself and its physical (and other realities creations) unconditionally for they provide all there is with a unique experience.

Let go of idea that this is the only existence you realize. It is the only existence your physical you realizes. But in fact, you never stop existing, you just change forms.


answered 23 Mar '12, 10:19

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@calonLan i understand what u mean and in fact i made many many points that where similar in my opening, i know it was a lot to read and a lot to go through, my point wasn't save ourselves or them save us, it was the group of entities saying they will when in fact loving and having ur own reality , good or bad with no interference is the best in my view, and perhaps read the articles and the context of it because i believe u will enjoy it very much and thank you for your answer. love n light

(23 Mar '12, 14:21) TReb Bor yit-NE

God the father of light have free will and made you in is image. with the same free will and you are responsible of it. so anny one that wants to impair your free will or remove your responsability from you,or lie to you,is not superior to anny son of man on earth,because they are not in truth and are still caught in darkness.

  1. Jesus said, "From Adam to John the Baptist, among those born of women, no one is so much greater than John the Baptist that his eyes should not be averted.

But I have said that whoever among you becomes a child will recognize the (Father's) kingdom and will become greater than John."



let there be light, be the light that you can be,experience and enjoy.


answered 02 Sep '12, 11:44

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white tiger

I want solutions and i understand we save ourselves and the galactic federation of light messages i follow always have said we will not do the work for you we will only assist,and be of service and to help with this transition and the technology they have will help the planet to help clean the pollution the water and so many other things.Now not all channel messages are real but there are so real ones that are out but very few with exact truth and information for the ground crew members some of us on this planet are part of the galactic federation of light and this benevolent group has been around a long time this is nothing new at all,and we do have the answers inside of us but evil aliens control this planet now and have been for centuries give me a team since we save ourselves to get rid of nukes mind-control devices,the fed all of the sinister governments all the greys,reptilians the draco's men in black the shadow government the illuminati all beings that have been controlling and messing up the planet,give me solutions or answers how to deactivate Haarp and other reverse technology they have so we don't need outside help from our starfamily that haved help the mayans hopi and many other cultures.Give me a team to get all the suppressed technology that will help humanity sound healing machines free energy anti-gravity and thousands of others not just excuses with no real solutions we save ourselves.The galactics are really our family and not some outside help that will go against our free will direct quotes from them.There are a number of reasons that lead people to fearful conclusions, and deliberate disinformation is by far the more prevalent. The present campaign is directed against First Contact by inferring we come as conquerors and destroyers. History will correctly show that we of the Galactic Federation, have on many occasions offered to bring peace to the world, and that it has been turned down by your leaders.


The Galactic Federation is comprised of civilizations of ascended Beings carrying the status of Masters. They are spiritually evolved and their energy is of Love and Light, with the intent of spreading it far and wide. We act on the Divine orders that direct our activities, and we are committed to helping civilizations such as yours. We are here to travel with you, and even beyond as you make your way through the next level of dimensions. Nothing will be allowed to interfere with your progress, and it is our responsibility to ensure you safely achieve Ascension.So like i said alot of disinformation is out there about our starfamily this is their real reason for coming and its nothing negative.The Galactic Federation of Light was founded over 4.5 million years ago to prevent inter-dimensional dark forces from dominating and exploiting this galaxy. At present, there are just over 200,000 member star nations, confederations or unions. Approximately 40% are humanoids and the rest are varied forms of sentient beings. Most members of the Galactic Federation are fully conscious beings. To familiarize you with our space family, we will periodically present information about a Galactic Federation member species. We hope that this information will help you identify or validate any experiences you may have had with some of these beings. Our purpose is to foster goodwill and understanding of the star nations that are answering the call of Earth’s Spiritual Hierarchy to assist us in our ascension/transformation process. Assist not save assist not save assist not save get that through your head assist not save very different assist not save alright.Namaste


answered 07 Feb '12, 22:48

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Hello GalacticMessenger, I have compassion for you and suggest that you look at and redefine the beliefs that you've allowed to cloud your mind. Look into the idea of infinite parallel realities and you'll discover (remember) that all versions of reality are available to you. By believing in and repeating your beliefs to others, you are perpetuating a story; one story of an infinite number of possible stories that can be your truth. Change your mind and change your story my friend ♥

(07 Feb '12, 23:44) Eddie

well my source explained that there are many societies and many groups and many of(negative) what u said the same. if u understand that we create our own reality,which IS one of their teachings as well, then u understand this group contradicts itself all of the time, first off there is no tangeable proof of anything they have said, free energy, myans, nor is there by my source, but he doesn't ask for u to believe he is real, only that YOU are real, 2nd these gfol beg to trust them, why?

(08 Feb '12, 16:57) TReb Bor yit-NE

why do they NEED our trust? when steve becow told them WE NEED PROOF ( mind u ONLY after he was PROMISED he would be taken aboard their ships and not) they said, u must trust us, just as religion they want top give u nothing and beg for ur respect and believing, NO enlightened entity will do this if they understand humans at all, because they know we are skeptical creatures by nature. 3rd if they TRULY are positive entity's, they respect ALL free will,INCLUDING "bad" guys, ESPECIALLY bad guys

(08 Feb '12, 17:02) TReb Bor yit-NE

last but not least, "good " entities, do not use label's, "good" or "bad" doesnt apply it's only personal perspective and to the "bad" guys u r bad, see? and i hear them all the time say they WILL remove them, or are going to throw them into dankness, most entities that are truly enlighten see it as it is, all life, even "bad" guys shouldn't be thrown in the dark, they should be loved, and the word unconditional love to this group means NOTHING, otherwise they would TRULY accept free will of ALL

(08 Feb '12, 17:07) TReb Bor yit-NE

i am not upset with u nor am i angry, i only see this as dangerous type thinking ,, but am glad that we all can be set in a system where we all have that free will to believe and to think and feel and experience as we wish, and just because i channel and my source doesn't agree, does not mean i think that I am right and u are wrong, in fact I work VERY hard on myself everyday to remove that type of thinking not just from me, but form all who wish to open their hearts and minds. love n light 2 u

(08 Feb '12, 17:10) TReb Bor yit-NE

idk if u feel u represent them here, but if u do, little saying as this "Assist not save assist not save assist not save get that through your head assist not save very different assist not save alright.Namaste" is a demanding statement, "GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD" it's demanding,, almost brainwashing in nature and reminds me the way they run their campaigns, and if THIS is the care of free will, or lack of it that i speak of, if you are TRULY a messenger for the group u prove my point more

(08 Feb '12, 17:25) TReb Bor yit-NE

When you are told "assist not save, assist not save, assist not save" , I will ask when u promise and say u have removed all Illuminati and will keep this up, isn't that saving? If you understand the truth of self creation, aren't these negative , beings ONLY an outward manifestation of our imbalances as a society? Aren't these ONLY a showing of how imbalanced we are? If This is true, than isn't removing them for us, doing the work for us? inst this SAVING US? I would argue it is EXACTLY this!

(08 Feb '12, 19:03) TReb Bor yit-NE

why throw them in darkness? they do it by them self by their ego in thought speak and action.that his why they want to hide. They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! http://bible.cc/revelation/6-16.htm

(10 Feb '12, 17:25) white tiger
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