We're greedy little brats charging fees for things we harvest for free from Mother Earth. We went on to create a complicated system of trade and money that only seems to serve itself and enslaves us.

How can we get out of this mess? How can we overcome this?

asked 10 Apr '10, 00:03

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Because we've been conditioned to believe that accumulating stuff is a symbol of how well we're doing on this journey, we spend a lot of time striving to do well and enslaving ourselves, in the process, to the status symbols.

Most spiritual teachings point out the importance of observing nature because it shows how everything works in harmony with an abundance for all without the striving. Unfortunately we humans have let our false self take over - so the game is all about accumulating enough before someone else gets it. We have become disconnected from our Source and if we devoted our time to plugging back in we would realize that there is more than *enough * for everyone and how much richer our lives would be and we wouldn't hesitate to give away anything.

The only way we can overcome this is to put into practice those famous words of Gandhi - "Be the change you want to see."


answered 10 Apr '10, 01:51

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I fully agree with your answer. I've always been trying to "be the change I want to see" for my whole life, but in this matter, it's especially difficult because of the established structures of our society. ;-) Indeed, I always felt bad when I had to charge money from others. I believe this is against our true nature. Since I've been working in a salaried job though, it feels like my income is something different and separate from the work I actually do, which is a bit soothing, but I'm only lying to myself as I'm just giving responsibility away. ;-) I'll keep looking for alternative ways.

(22 May '10, 13:08) herzmeister

Thanks Herzmeister. We all tend to gravitate toward what is accepted within those estabilished structures and I get what your saying about having to charge others. However, when we begin to perceive money as an exchange of energy it does get a little easier and just remember that money enables us to help others>

(23 May '10, 01:26) Michaela

It's true that it's a form of energy exchange, but it's silly that we have to "measure" that by little pieces of paper with discrete values on them ;-) ... Ideally, the energy exchange should solely consist of the love and attention we share with each other. I still believe that if we all could do just what we love to do anyway, it'll come from the heart, and thus it will be fulfillment enough for us to serve the needs of others (healers, trainers,...) and/or share the fruit of our labor with others (farmers, engineers,...), without having to confine our work into units of measurement.

(23 May '10, 12:42) herzmeister

In a perfect world, what you suggest would be wonderful but we cannot control the spiritual growth of others so it all comes back to "being the change we want to see" and remember every little bit of individual progress benefits the whole.

(24 May '10, 00:22) Michaela

thank you Michaela, you actually could console me a little ;-)

(25 May '10, 19:32) herzmeister
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It's not the money that enslaves us; it's the beliefs and attitudes about money that enslave us
(things like power, greed, ego and the idea that the world is somehow lacking in abundance).

Money in and of itself is neither positive or negative; it's the things we do with that money that matter. Further, money only measures people's desire for things; it doesn't necessarily measure true worth, but only what people think things are worth.

Overcoming the shackles of money is done like all other things: one person at a time, by appealing to a higher order. In the context of the Law of Attraction, this means having faith in the ability of the universe to provide, a belief that abundance prevails, and the knowledge that money is not the only way (and maybe not even the best way) to obtain the things you want.


answered 10 Apr '10, 01:28

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edited 10 Apr '10, 05:21

It's true that a means of exchange like money is supposed to be neutral and neither positive or negative. But again, the last apple tree I checked did not have any coin slot... Alright, the apple tree might stand on ground which someone owns. But who are we to scratch rectangles into the ground and say: "This ground is my possession". We can learn from history how this kind of thinking arose, and we will conclude the reasons are entirely fear-based to create power structures, thus serving our egos. I really believe it's time to overcome this kind of thinking.

(22 May '10, 13:16) herzmeister

"and we will conclude the reasons are entirely fear-based to create power structures, thus serving our egos." -- That is an attitude about money.

(22 May '10, 18:01) Vesuvius

it is ;-) -

(23 May '10, 12:28) herzmeister
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In truth nothing is free not even in nature, if you pick a pear off a tree you just cost that tree as that is one less fruit to fall to the ground and fertilize and seed the ground for more pear trees.

If we pick a carrot from the ground we just killed that carrot completely it cost that carrot it's life, it can not survive since it is whole as it is.

So nature does not give freely just because we take from nature does not mean it gives, everything in nature seems to take from each other for self survival -nothing gives freely-, a deer doesn't want to be a leopards food, nor does a leopard want to be a bear's food.

A money system is a system that is an effective way of progress that cost no one their lives or their children's lives. It seems by comparison more compassionate than nature's survival of the fittest way of taking everything for self preservation.

Without money there would be no internet or computers, money also motivates progress as well as finances it.


answered 10 Apr '10, 09:01

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Wade Casaldi

It's true that the fruit we pick "costs" nature, but the approach of nature to compensate for that is abundance. But I concede that if we apply the "as above, so below" philosophy here, something creepy must come to our minds: there will be an "abundance" of humans too, so who or what is going to harvest the surplus part of humanity? ;-) ... Other aspects of your answer touch the competition vs cooperation discussion, which is handled here: http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/5122/which-is-more-important-cooperation-or-competition-and-why/

(22 May '10, 12:51) herzmeister

I always liked Gene Roddenberry take on money in Star Trek. **

People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of 'things'. We have eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions. The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of Humanity


answered 16 Apr '10, 11:20

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Interesting read, and again I must realize that so many people are not able to imagine alternatives. "I've always felt this was a bunch of hooey, but it was one of the rules and that's that." (Ronald D. Moore about the cashless society in Star Trek)

(22 May '10, 12:33) herzmeister
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