I have always done my work for free. I give out of my heart. After the interview with Adronis Morning Show, people have been coming out of the wood work. Brad Johnson also asked em to do a webinar with him. Being the co main speaker behind him. I took the offer immediately, but then realized this is a payed event. I do and have taken donations from those who feel it was important to give them to me, even though it was against my better judgement. I have struggled with this for a long time. I only started taking donations six months ago because a friend showed me if this is the only way they can feel ok about giving back to someone who helped them, then it is rude to not allow that. Now I know my way of seeing money is a bit faulty, due to my past. Before in my life money equals pain, suffering, and also too much room to stray from a simple life. So how do I keep balance? How do I know how to either balance myself, or balance my belief systems? How do I allow myself to stray form a belief that has been so strong for my entire spiritual journey if I do see that it is faulted? Thank you all.

ADDED 5/162015 Haaaa ! The difference in my own thinking. It is amazing what finding different parts of yourself will do to you, and for you! LOVE

love n light


asked 12 Dec '12, 07:53

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TReb Bor yit-NE

edited 16 May '15, 10:24


I think donations are perfect balance. You give because you want and they give back because they want. It's not like you make them pay and they then feel empty like throwing money away if they don't get what they were looking for.

(12 Dec '12, 08:40) CalonLan

@CalonLan Yes, this is what feels right to me too brother. @starlight This story resonated with me so much, and thank u so much for ur love.

(12 Dec '12, 15:50) TReb Bor yit-NE
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Dearest Rob, yes. Yes yes yes a thousand times yes, and to quote my favorite Teacher, HELL YES!!! :)

But you already knew my opinion on this, I just felt inspired to chip in with my two cents. :D

I agree with the answers here - as long as you are living this life, you need money, and the loving, wise council you provide for people is priceless. You rob us of a pleasure if you will not allow us to do what we can to say thank you. We are so fortunate to have access to you and TReb... its awful feeling that you need some guidance, if you haven't any idea where to turn. Just knowing you are there makes a huge difference to me - makes me stand a little straighter, a little stronger, when things feel a little too rough, because I know I've got a spiritual big brother standing right beside me, as you have in these last couple of weeks. You will handle the money just fine, love - you are ready for it, I have no doubt at all.

You are one of the most loving, kind and beautiful people I have ever had the privilage to meet, and my heart has been warmed and changed through talking with you and with TReb. Anyone who gets the same opportunity is lucky, if you ask me. You continue to bless and warm me, and I will never be able to thank you enough.

Love you dearly,




answered 14 Dec '12, 21:17

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awww. thank u so much @Grace and i love u dearly too. I thank u so much for these words, it was something that was rough for me to deal with at that time because i was so worried about promising to do a gig and it was payed. so i worried that I was breaking my own rules. and this is what got to me the most. Thank u. Love u sweetheart.

(16 Dec '12, 22:12) TReb Bor yit-NE

Hi TReb , once upon a time there was a husband who happily helped friends with their projects but would never allow them to assist him, his reasoning being he needed no help. When asked why he helped people he said he liked to and it made him feel good, after it was gently pointed out to him that he was denying others the opportunity of that same pleasure , he then accepted their help when offered Perhaps you can look at your situation in a similar light. ♥♥♥


answered 12 Dec '12, 10:20

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@Starlight. Such a great answer I hope you don't mind the conversion.

(12 Dec '12, 17:11) ursixx

@ursixx , tis all good :-) am happy to go with the flow and @TReb , most welcome ♥

(12 Dec '12, 17:37) Starlight

@starlight .. yes. thank u, this really resonates with me very much. Thank u very much. Love and light

(14 Dec '12, 18:37) TReb Bor yit-NE
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The simple life. A roof over your head,food on the table and a fire in the hearth. This is what you want for you and yours . Would not this be simplified with an increased flow of resources? It's nice to have resources that extend beyond the end of the month. Those special needs that your family has would be easily fulfilled. I'm sure an overflow of resources would benefit many others.And not go to a gold plated Rolls Royce. Take the expression of love and gratitude from the people that you help and console.
I listened to this you said as I wrote this answer .
Take you own advice ,love yourself and realize you are worthy.The money you will receive will come from love.

P.S. loved the piano at the end


answered 12 Dec '12, 17:29

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edited 12 Dec '12, 17:30

@ursixx I love you so much brother. So so much. you have always found great insight within yourself. I am grateful for you brother. Thank you. Very much. Love.

(13 Dec '12, 11:30) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-NE found a page you might want to read to about "profit" In Lak'ech http://goo.gl/I67sz

(06 Feb '13, 04:02) ursixx

Yes - of course it is Rob. I am more than happy to a pay anyone for their time when they provide me with a service I value. You have given generously to this site and with your You Tube clips and presumably countless personal consultations. Have you considered that maybe you would be doing more good if you went "professional" as I assume you could spend more time on this rather than whatever you do to pay the bills. This sounds like a really interesting opportunity for you and it would be a shame to let it pass by.

I do think that some channellers charge excessively for their services (one not too well known channeller charges $395 for a one hour consultation) but many offer much information for free and then charge for personal consultations or seminars. You don't have to charge mega fees you could have a sliding scale so that people contribute according to their means but I feel you should be compensated for your time at the very least.

The thing is - YOU have to convince YOU.


answered 12 Dec '12, 14:14

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edited 12 Dec '12, 14:23

Thank u catherine, i think at some way yes, you are right, and at some way, this is the fight in me. I dont think i could ever stop giving sessions for free. one person suggested, an old friend, is that i schedule free sessions in week, and payed ones, free go for 30 min and first come first serve, and will have to wait till it is ur turn, which is how i do it now, and then the payed ones donations or payments be given priority?? but it still didn't sound 100% right

(12 Dec '12, 15:48) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-NE Try a system for a while and see what fits for you. You can always change it. Many people would feel uncomfortable taking up a lot of your time without the means to say thank you. If you suddenly find you are making a ton of money and it feels out of control just donate it to a charity or something. I still firmly believe you are entitled to be compensated for your work. I really think it sounds like a good chance for you.

(13 Dec '12, 13:26) Catherine

@catherine. thank u so much, love and respect for ur thoughts and love.

(14 Dec '12, 18:38) TReb Bor yit-NE
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Dear Rob,

I know a Japanese zen master who has a very healthy, detached approach to the issue of money in relation to his teaching / work / practice.

The approach is: "Ask for nothing. Turn down nothing."

He never asks anyone for any money. That way all are welcome to come and benefit from the teachings and practice.

In the hallway which adjoins the zendo, there is a wooden box with just the word "donations" written on it. People are never actually asked (in person or in writing) to donate. But if something is dropped inside the box, it is quietly and wordlessly accepted. A one-thousand dollar bill is treated the same way as a single dollar bill.

In this way, the zendo receives some helpful support from time to time, which allows the teacher to spend more time teaching and practicing, but no one is ever turned away, and no one is ever made to feel that they are expected to give.

Thanks again for all your contributions here and elsewhere! I wish you all the best in your spiritual practice and financial success.


answered 13 Dec '12, 13:26

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@lozenge123 yes, i feel that this is quite right. just as calonLan said, donations tend to work the best. I think this is great idea, it is how i have worked for over 6 months, and just because i am busy, doesn't mean i should change that idea. thank u so much, and love to u too.

(13 Dec '12, 17:20) TReb Bor yit-NE

@Lozenge123 Good answer Lozenge.

(14 Dec '12, 08:01) Catherine

@lozenge123 - "Ask for nothing. Turn down nothing" - So simple, yet so profound. Just let the flow take care of itself

(14 Dec '12, 11:20) Stingray

@TReb Bor yit-NE, you are very welcome, and thanks for the kind comments. @Catherine, @Stingray - Thanks!

(14 Dec '12, 13:32) lozenge123

@Catherine, @Stingray thank u both too. I appreciate ur views and ur love. i am so happy

(14 Dec '12, 18:41) TReb Bor yit-NE
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Just a thought Rob, but can't you ask Treb for his opinion about this yourself?

Another way around this would be if you are co-operating with another person with a paid event and you get some share out of it, you could always donate this sum of money out to charities or other needy people who needs it.

Or you could think about the other way in terms of the donations you are collecting: if these people are willing to pay for the event and you think the price is ok, then why stop them from paying if that is what they want and willing to do?


answered 14 Dec '12, 10:12

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@kakaboo Yes, this is an idea i thought of too,. about they will pay weather i am there or not, and it is only 15 dollars for 8 hrs of speakers, so, i figured it would be ok, but i am not sure if that's my ego talking or my heart, thank u so much.

(14 Dec '12, 18:46) TReb Bor yit-NE

Money is just another energy form.

Energy can be received in many, many ways.

Energy can be received through meditation. When we meditate we stop thoughts, therefore we switch to allowing mode and receive the energy that is our birth right in form of feeling good, ideas, vitality etc.

Energy can be received through compliments. Energy can be received through a smile, hugs, kisses... or sex. And energy can also be received through money.

Of course these things are just little excuses (permission slips) for us to allow the energy to flow through us. In fact we could sit in a monastery all the time and never see anyone and we could still receive the full energy that is always flowing if we just allow it.

We can only allow energy when we don't resist it. We can only allow energy when we don't have resistance in us in the form of limiting beliefs.

So if we can't allow the energy of hugs, compliments, money etc and fully recieve them, it means we have limiting beliefs... and we block life force energy which is our birth right at all times.

This is why receiving is equally important as giving.

As a spiritual teacher you flow energy in terms of channeled information to humankind. And because everyone is just a reflection of yourself, this energy flows back to you naturally in different forms (compliments, money etc).

If you can't allow energy forms and receive them fully, you block life force energy. This is not a healthy thing. If you block receiving, soon or later the gate to giving will be blocked too. So you must receive if you want to give fully.

Many people have limiting beliefs around the topic of money. So here is often some work to do. Keep in mind that

you deserve life force energy in terms of compliments.

You deserve life force energy in terms of money.

You deserve abundance and wealth which is your natural birth right.

I listened to some sessions of Treb and found great value in it. Thank you for the information you provide to the world :).

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answered 26 Jun '13, 00:59

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edited 26 Jun '13, 01:06

@Treb, yes IT IS OK to take money for spiritual work. I have a friend who does it and I pay her as much as I can everytime I talk to her because I think that her work is priceless and one can never really put a cost to that kind of thing. It is also her only source of income because she has given everything else up to provide a service to help those in need. I have great respect for people like you - keep up the good work of helping humanity!!


answered 14 Dec '12, 09:57

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Thank u so much for ir love and ideas. i am taking them all in as i go, and all energy is accepted and taken in consideration.. thank u so much @moonwillow for ur love and kindness

(14 Dec '12, 18:47) TReb Bor yit-NE

Some great answers here, I just wanted to chime in with another point - I want spiritual people to be more abundant! Because spiritual people are more likely to do good things with that money (I'm not even necessarily talking about big things like setting up charities - even something as simple as you spending money on items which are ethically and sustainably sourced because you recognise that we're all connected).


answered 18 May '15, 17:03

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@cassiopeia - Great point. I'd never thought of it that way before. Also when we buy and sell in alignment those things or services would also spread good vibes to more people - I know that the amazing pieces you create are intended to do that of course, but I'm thinking that even when I helped administrate a construction plan for example, my good vibes may have ended up in the very walls of someone's home! Wow what a fun thought. Thanks!

(19 May '15, 16:32) Grace

... I've been meaning to tell you, one of your beautiful pendants actually found itself a new home that I had never considered. A friend who I didn't think would understand has been feeling ill, and had been spending an inordinate amount of time in front of her computer. While she was telling me about it I suddenly just knew that was where the one I'd saved for myself really needed to be. To my surprise she was very excited to hear about it and I'm taking it to her next week. Cool huh? ;)

(19 May '15, 16:41) Grace

@Grace you've got a great point too about buying and selling in alignment (I love that concept!) Also, that is very cool about the pendant :) I do make them with the intention that each one finds the person that will benefit the most from it...

(19 May '15, 19:15) cassiopeia
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Hello TReb Bor yit_NE, If you consider what you do a gift from God in my humble opinion you could let it be a gift to the rest of us and leave it upto people to decide if they want to donate and feel happy about giving back to you for the gift that is coming thru you.


answered 12 Dec '12, 08:28

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Hi Rob. guess I should request a consultation before you start charging. LOL

(12 Dec '12, 15:10) Manny

lol, well i thank u and yes u r right. it is a balance,and i dont think i would ever stop giving free sessions out. i was more worried about taking money for webinar... this even in only a small situation it was hard for me to accept. thank u for ur words, and the joke too lol.

(12 Dec '12, 15:46) TReb Bor yit-NE

Hi rob

'Money and the energy flow ... another way i talk about money is that it is energy. When someone has lot's of it, it's blocked energy. That energy needs to be released to the places that are in deficits. This isn't just an idealistic give-away system. I am a firm believer in teaching people how to fish as opposed to giving them fish. But it's tough to learn how much when your health is right at the edge. We have to help people come back from that edge. And money can help us do that. Don't get locked up on the idea that money is evil by how it's been used. Instead it's time to look how we can change that paradigm because it is an important tool that we have at our disposal. Now it's up to us to finally be responsible with how we use it.'

The above paragraph is an extract from The Spiritual Awakening Process


In practice whenever making money using "spiritual" methods it is a good idea to donate 10% of all gains to a cause that you hold dear to your heart (remember the law of tenfold return) ... it's a way of thanking the "universe"

have fun :)


answered 14 Dec '12, 07:55

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Thank u so much @blebird two, yes i understand it and it makes so much sens,. i think that u have good ideas and points in this message. thank u, so so much,. and love is what i want to achieve here. I suppose that it is up to em to find the answer,. and with all of ur love, i have found my way. LOVE

(14 Dec '12, 18:50) TReb Bor yit-NE

Think of it like this ROB- if you are spending time worrying about finances, that is less time and energy for you to share your gifts to help the world and to take care of yourself and your family. The more money you make the more people you can help-wheather you believe that or not is something you might be able to transform.

I think with such a rare gift like yours- you might want to look into allowing yourself to receive more abundance for the positive things you do. I mean the other channelers who are well-known have big events, probably a staff, lots of things published, recordings books, events- all of that is growing a very abundant empire for them and helping TONS of people in the process- large mailing lists, they have the whole system set up. That may or may not be for you, but even doing some more lucrative sessions and growing slowly or getting some marketing help or coming up with a loose plan might help with your mission on this planet. Sales are nothing to be ashamed of if you have profound and rare gifts of connections that can ultimately help others. Publish your book on amazon for a price but for a teaser Maybe give out a snippet preivew for free. Maybe publish snippets or parts of calls for free/you tube and catch an email, but to have a full session then you can charge. Channelers are now excepted in the business circuit so there should be no shame there in the energy/personal growth/healing industry- the game is here to serve you and your service to others, so compensation should be a definite yes. Its time for you to step into your own success.

Additionally, if you are worried about the "alien" niche at all on any level- realize that there are MULTITUDES of people within the paranormal niche and overlap with spiritual phenomena and personal growth- all these overlapping niches are awesome places to tap into to grow a tribe and a following and ultimately people who will respect your work enough to pay very very very highly for it. NO. Question. I think you are in a very enviable position actually! Find a way to put a structure in place so that you can start to really bring in some good prosperity and no question what you can do to use for yourself and others


answered 17 Dec '12, 01:21

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@Kanda ty so much, ur answer means so much to me. i will take it all in and make my decision from there. ty again so much . love n light...

(17 Dec '12, 14:52) TReb Bor yit-NE

Read Atlas Shrugged? It sounds like you are afraid of your own power. I don't want to pretend that I'm some kind of enlightened spiritual master but that is also the sense that I get when you speak of chackras and another person's belief system blocking your spiritual work. Those are just excuses. It reminds me of this lecture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6zJV5VcmZU You don't have to take money if you don't want to but don't do it out of fear of having money.


answered 06 Feb '13, 06:04

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Thank u for this answer.. but what is meant by this " when you speak of chakras and another person's belief system blocking your spiritual work" what did u mean by this, i didn't recall speaking of chakras of others or beliefs of others blocking my own work >?

(23 Feb '13, 13:09) TReb Bor yit-NE

you need money to live in this world and play the monopoly game. and if you have to much give to someone in need. use what you have the best you can. for your self and other.make wise decision.


answered 13 Dec '12, 00:21

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yes, and this is the way of the world, money is needed, but i have everything I need. so i don't know how it can help me more. But i do understand completely what u mean.

(13 Dec '12, 11:30) TReb Bor yit-NE

Like everything else, there is no universal rule that says taking money for spiritual work is good or bad. Take money if that makes you feel good, don't if it makes you feel bad.

If you feel bad either way - e.g., you feel guilty if you take money and angry if you don't take money, then do whichever makes you feel less bad.


answered 20 May '15, 06:48

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cod2, you may have been short on your readings, dig a little deeper

(22 May '15, 16:11) fred
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