O.K., wondering why there are so many users who ask questions about whether or not the LOA works, as far as manifesting to your benefit goes, who seem to be inactive users now. I've been given the idea to "peruse" the wisdom of many users on here who are actively using this, and I see a very small handful of people who actually think it's working for them.

I see more questions coming from people, a lot of them now inactive, who have obviously not had the same experience as the small handful who do. No, I'm not trying to "disabuse" anyone of anything, I would like to know. I have been working on this and logging on to this site everyday for at least 6 weeks now.

I've recently read the Power of Now, and The Science of Mind, Your Sacred Self, The Power of Love, and Pure Presence, all great books, I am studying the Master Key weekly, and truth be known, I am a Rosicrucian and a Mason, but to my experience none of it has brought about anything but frustration, and way to much focus on observing my thoughts. All this observing my thoughts is driving me crazy. It's not like I'm asking for a million bucks, or an easy way out.

A job would be about all I've been trying to manifest. Not by sitting on my ass either. After what I would call a "scientific" experiment, with an open mind to the results, my conclusion does not concur with the handful of people on here that think that it does, nor the authors or "secret" societies.

Again, not trying to dispel anyone's beliefs. If your beliefs are so weak that I can dispel them, then they're not very strong anyway, and I'm not the cause of your threat. You're lack of belief in your beliefs is. Look, I just want this to work for me, O.K.?

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edited 09 May '13, 18:14

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Barry Allen ♦♦


Don't think or feel you're doing anything wrong by questioning things or challenging ideas. It's a very good thing for all of us, intellectual debates promote growth in all who are willing to learn from them. Please don't hesitate to bring up any topic if you feel inclined to do so. Glad to have you. =)

Your last paragraph is completely true, and as indicated by responses from lozenge in another thread, we already know what you're saying and agree with it. ^_^y

(09 May '13, 21:07) Snow

No, not O.K.

(10 May '13, 03:35) CalonLan

This video sums up all my thoughts on the subject:


(12 May '13, 13:23) lozenge123

@lozenge123 ...made me laugh out loud. They express so much rage in their voices. And what a heated discussion! :)

(12 May '13, 20:44) releaser99

@releaser99 - Yeah, it makes me laugh every time...so true. Glad you enjoyed it too.

(12 May '13, 23:50) lozenge123

@lozenge123 - Just so true :)

"I want to manifest this thing I'm full of resistance about, bad...like so bad"

"Why don't you start with something easier? Something that isn't such a big issue in your life right now, so that you can learn the process?"

"NO. I want to manifest this thing I'm full of resistance about, bad...like so bad"

...and so on :)

(13 May '13, 03:02) Stingray

@calonlan.. Aren't you the guy who supposedly made a grand exit from here some time ago? From reading some of your posts, you really don't have any credibility with me.

(13 May '13, 14:40) zotac
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I would say that those users just have different and more compelling interests in life. It's simply not for them. That's all.

This doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

If you really, really, really desire to figure it out, you can figure it out in 30 days I would say. It becomes even more obvious in 90 days. Three month is a time frame for me that was often accurate in my life to figure something out, whether if it was a hobby in sports or something in personal development, relationships or finances.

Many people just want to have a quick fix for something. For example, they want to loose 50 pounds in two weeks or they want to learn to play the piano in one week. That's OK. Because what they want is really something else and their life points them in another direction later. Trying to learn the piano for two weeks and failing or trying LOA principles for three days and failing is then just a stopover for something that is better for their life.

When you have a burning desire to learn something.... nothing will stop you. You will learn it...or you will die trying. You will learn it fast. But fast doesn't mean three days. In my view it means at least one month, better three month with full passion.

You can't force that passion to come. You either have it or not.

Years ago I had a burning desire to learn to play the guitar. So I joined a course and started practising and learning. In this course there were many other newbies. Many of them quitted after three days or after three weeks. Just a few of us stayed there for over a year.

And that doesn't mean that learning how to play the guitar doesn't work. It just means that their desire is not strong enough. And that's totally all right. Because I'm sure they found something else that made them more passionate than learning to play the guitar.

A job would be about all I've been trying to manifest. Not by sitting on my ass

I want to add that I don't know all the books you read. But I would recommend reading "Ask and it is given" and really applying those tools. Not just reading and enjoying it as a good read but really applying those principles every day for 30 days or more at least 3-4 hours a day.

Also you seem frustrated and frustration is not a good vibration to manifest. I suggest you read this link here.


answered 09 May '13, 18:23

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@releaser99 - Well said. I've noticed the people who really "get" these ideas and are successful in applying them are not those who have a casual superficial interest but those who are determined to figure it out no matter what the personal cost. The tricky part is when you've then figured it out yourself (to an extent) and then try to explain it to others who only have a casual interest...doesn't seem to work too well :) There does seem to be a desire-based "price" for this knowledge.

(10 May '13, 07:18) Stingray

@zotac - I've been fairly fanatical about investigating and playing with these ideas for more than 30 years. I have a feeling that I might have noticed by now if there wasn't anything in them :)

(10 May '13, 07:20) Stingray

@Stingray - "The tricky part is when you've then figured it out yourself (to an extent) and then try to explain it to others who only have a casual interest...doesn't seem to work too well :)" - That sums it up so darn well.

(10 May '13, 11:33) lozenge123

@Stingray "The tricky part is when you've then figured it out yourself (to an extent) and then try to explain it to others who only have a casual interest...doesn't seem to work too well :)" Yes, I agree it's really tricky. I know you know those internet marketing folks that are confronted with the same "issue". For example a customer wants to learn how to earn money on the internet fast to pay his bills. Those marketers know the solution, but it's usually not a quick fix, not a magic pill...

(10 May '13, 13:30) releaser99

You have to learn many principles of marketing, go through trial and error etc. But knowing this demotivates the customer. So those marketing folks have a "trick" to keep the customer motivated so to speak. They increase the desire of the customer by pointing out disadvantages of not learning all that stuff and also pointing out advantages of learning it.

(10 May '13, 13:30) releaser99

They amplify pain and pleasure and increase desire. Furthermore they give a little "magic pill" that will fix a little part of the customer's issue (because most people will only believe something when they see it) to move them to the vibration of hopefulness. I'm curious to know your opinion about this approach.

(10 May '13, 13:31) releaser99

@releaser99 - "I'm curious to know your opinion about this approach" - I use it with people all the time...almost :) It's usually pretty obvious to most of the "IQ old-timers" what people's "issues" are when they initially turn up on this site asking for a life-change. But those people are usually blind to them themselves. So when you tell them directly, they won't listen or believe you. So one has to do a bit of pain & pleasure prodding until they get into a vibrational place where...

(10 May '13, 14:33) Stingray

@releaser99 - ...they can "hear" what you are saying. Sometimes the message gets across but quite often they "blow a fuse" because they've reached the limits of their existing belief systems and associated behaviors. At that point, they either disappear from the site or they play variations of the "I'm-going-to-expose-you-fraudsters" game often leading to a clattering event: http://goo.gl/lxfe3 . Occasionally through subsequent life experience, they come to a realization that you...

(10 May '13, 14:41) Stingray

@releaser99 - ...were genuinely helping them all along and they come back for Round 2, 3, 4 etc. :) "Conversion Rates" are not that good when you can't assert into another's reality but can only influence them towards what you think they want out of their lives. So all you can do is "plant seeds" when you feel inspired to do so and trust that some part of them is going to make use of that information otherwise it wouldn't have matched them up into your reality in the first place.

(10 May '13, 14:45) Stingray

@Stingray-Sometimes I notice you toning down your answers to certain questions. It's as if you have gauged where the questioner is vibrationally and then you answer the question in a certain way where the person has more chance of hearing the answer. Amazing ability:) Maybe you are already aware of this? Ive notice if I answer a question and go in gung ho with too strong beliefs it usually has an adverse effect:)

(10 May '13, 15:22) Satori

@releaser99- Excellent answer. I agree, these ideas are not a quick fix or something you can learn overnight. Maybe some people can do it, I'm definately not one of them:)

(10 May '13, 15:25) Satori

@Stingray "planting seeds " I love it!

(10 May '13, 19:32) ursixx

A very wise friend of mine helped me to realize one of the many ways I was having trouble listening by showing me a method he used with some other similarly-hard-headed individuals. He'd give them ideas in such a way they would come to the conclusions later and think they were their own idea.

Since then I've tried to be more receptive to simply being given the information rather than requiring the song and dance, but at least now I know how to work with other hardheads like myself.

(11 May '13, 03:12) Snow

@Satori - "Sometimes I notice you toning down your answers to certain questions" - If that's happening, it's not really a conscious thing. I mostly just follow what I feel like doing. Though sometimes I'll intentionally write a long piece because I know I can refer to it multiple times in the future - saves time. Having said that, words on a page, or computer screen, are just "placeholders" for a person's vibration. I find one can often get a definite sense of the person behind the words.

(11 May '13, 05:01) Stingray

@Stingray That's interesting, thanks :). I would have expected you to give an answer along the lines of "Don't try to influence people, just stay aligned":). I also wonder why Abraham sometimes say that you shouldn't try to help anyone. And at other times they suggest that uplifters may soothe people's beliefs etc... It seems contradictory to me. Also regarding that approach, would you say it is a good idea to work with pain in Focus Blocks? Or is this creating more limiting beliefs?

(11 May '13, 11:40) releaser99

@Satori Thanks :). And don't worry, I'm not one of them either :). In fact I would consider myself being pretty ungifted emotionally. But meanwhile it seems as if I'm even more sensitive emotionally than most women who seem to be gifted naturally. For me it took just a lot of desire and "hard work" to figure it out.

(11 May '13, 11:52) releaser99

@releaser99 - "It seems contradictory to me" - There's no contradiction because what Abraham actually say is don't try to help others at the expense of your own connection because now you have two out-of-the-Vortex people and you have nothing left to genuinely offer them upliftment-wise. Playing the self-sacrifice game is really just an ego-trip anyway because it implies that others are not strong enough to help themselves and need your "superior" intervention. It's a different story...

(11 May '13, 17:54) Stingray

@releaser99 - ...completely when you choose to help others from a place of stable connection within yourself. The tricky part of this is though that when you are there, LOA won't bring others into your reality that are not a vibrational match to you or, if they are already there, they become invisible to you. Uplifting from a place of connection is the only real value that one can ever offer another - it's what Abraham do themselves - and it's co-ordinated from "broader perspective".

(11 May '13, 17:58) Stingray

@releaser99 - "would you say it is a good idea to work with pain in Focus Blocks? Or is this creating more limiting beliefs?" - Sorry, I'm not really clear on what you mean. The ultimate useful purpose of any clearing method (including basic Focus Blocks) is to give yourself (or anyone you are trying to help) enough emotional breathing room so that you/they can find a way to step back into Vortex alignment...because that's where all the "solutions" lie.

(11 May '13, 18:05) Stingray

@Stingray "don't try to help others at the expense of your own connection" Okay, I get it now. Thanks!

(11 May '13, 18:33) releaser99

@Stingray- Nice points. I could read stuff of yours all day, but im too busy enjoying my life these days hahahaha :) You've helped me out so much, and yes, I see the irony in trying to uplift others. Usually, they're "never around" when you're feeling so good, and people who are in their emotional vicinity, trying to help, arent gonna do much good unfortunantly. Meh, they'll figure it out eventually as Bashar says.

(12 May '13, 08:54) Nikulas
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Ok zotac, you just want this thing to work for you ... but it's already working for you all the time simply because you're a normal person.

The law of attraction is ultra simple "i attract into my life whatever i give my energy, attention or focus to" ... probably about the quickest and easiest way to understand this simple but profound phrase is to watch, study, inwardly absorb and perform as shown here


have fun with it ♫ ♫ ♫


answered 10 May '13, 04:03

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I really like how he put that, "You don't always get what you want, but you always get what you vibrate at"

(10 May '13, 22:01) ikaruss21

@ikaruss21 yes michael losier explains it all in brilliantly simple down to earth language ♥♥♥

(11 May '13, 00:23) ru bis
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