I understand every experiance we have is co creation with other beings. I know some lives are needed to feel dissconnection. If we kill someone they need it in their existance too. I wonder what all think ? I read this peice of Seth channeling and wondered what all here think?
Love n light.
Idealism also presupposes "the good" as opposed to "the bad", so how can the pursuit of "the good" often lead to the expression of "the bad"? For that, we will have to look further.
There is one commandment above all, in practical terms – a Christian commandment that can be used as a yardstick. It is good because it is something you can understand practically: "Thou shalt not kill." That is clear enough. Under most conditions you know when you have killed. That [commandment] is a much better road to follow, for example than: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," for many of you do not love yourselves to begin with and can scarcely love your neighbor as well. The idea is that if you love your neighbor you will not treat him poorly, much less kill him – but the commandment: "Thou shalt not kill," says you shall not kill your neighbor no matter how you feel about him. So let us say in a new commandment: "Thou shalt not kill even in the pursuit of your ideals."
What does that mean? In practical terms it would mean that you would not wage war for the sake of peace. It would mean that you did not kill animals in experiments, taking their lives in order to protect the sacredness of human life. That would be a prime directive: "Thou shalt not kill even in the pursuit of your ideals" – for man has killed for the sake of his ideals as much as he has ever killed for greed, or lust, or even the pursuit of power on its own merits.
You are a fanatic if you consider possible killing for the pursuit of your ideal. For example, your ideal may be – for ideals differ – the production of endless energy for the uses of mankind, and you may believe so fervently in that ideal – this added convenience to life – that you considered the hypothetical possibility of that convenience being achieved at the risk of losing some lives along the way. That is fanaticism.
It means that you are not willing to take the actual steps in physical reality to achieve the ideal but that you believe that the end justifies the means: "Certainly some lives may be lost along the way, but overall, mankind will benefit." That is the usual argument. The sacredness of life can not be sacrificed for life's convenience, or the quality of liie itself will suffer. In the same manner, say, the ideal is to protect human life, and in the pursuit of that ideal you give generations of various animals deadly diseases, and sacrifice their lives. Your justification may be that people have souls and animals do not or that the quality of life is less in the animals, but regardless of those arguments this is fanaticism – and the quality of human life itself suffers as a result, for those who sacrifice any kind of life along the way lose some respect for all life, human life included. The ends do not justify the means.
source: 1979.05.02 (850: INME)
asked 05 Jun '13, 17:54
TReb Bor yit-NE
I don't think that many will like this answer but this is how I see it.
First I want to start with the following premises:
The word "someone**" implies if it is ok to kill a human being, a human consciousness. So the question also implies that human consciousnesses are significantly superior to animal consciousnesses, bacteria consciousnesses, stone consciousnesses or tree consciousnesses.
And I don't agree with that (see the first two premises that I mentioned above).
If you think about it, we "kill" all day, every day anyway. If you breath in, you kill many, many bacteria consciousnesses. So if "killing" (I like the word "transforming" better) consciousness was bad, we should be crying all day, every day.
Most human beings eat meat and meat comes from animals. If killing was bad, we should be crying all day, every day and not eat meat at all.
So what's with these double standards? Why are we human beings so arrogant to assume that we are more consciousness than other consciousnesses? Why do we feel superior and say "we are all one" in the same breath?
The other thing is that the Law of attraction exists and you cannot attract what you are not the vibration of.
So if I went out to punch someone in the face who is not the vibration of, I wouldn't find one. You can only punch someone if he is the vibration of the punch.
You can only "kill" (better words: co-create the transition) someone if he is the vibration of that experience (contrast).
So is it ok to punch anyone you like?
Yes, it is ok if you feel like it.
Is it ok to help with the transition of another human being?
Yes, it is ok if you feel like it.
answered 05 Jun '13, 22:13
We often equate killing a person with evil when we call this ending of a life murder. When it is a conflict between men it is called causalities of war.Or when two cars crash it is called an accident.There are many ways and circumstances that humans cause the ending of physical life among each other.
As far as the questions and thoughts posed in the previous answers about the killing of animals as food. Our consumption of meat as caused an industry to grow and the mechanism to keep it growing. If the world stopped eating meat today the animals destined for production would still be slaughtered and so would the whole production line. Meat production takes great amounts agricultural resources to feed. The movement to vegetarianism is growing for many reasons,not only concern for animals. Many are just reducing their consumption of meat.
To me co-creation isn't as simple as person A wants X and person B is capable of accommodating so they should provide. "Do unto others."
If you're going to kill you better be willing to accept someone else killing you for the same motivations. If I'm to utilize violence it'll only be with 'love' as the motivation. For my loved ones driving me to protect them from harm, or need to preserve my own life & well being in order to do the former. I'd be perfectly OK with being killed because I was an imminent threat to other's loved ones, as I wouldn't hesitate to do the same if there were no other option. Any reasoning should expect repercussions.. I accept mine.
answered 05 Jun '13, 22:28
Hmm very interesting way to put it, I really like this question. In my opinon and from what I have researched,
It is quite honestly your universe. Everybody you are talking to and interacting with, is your version of them in your own universe reflected from what your consciousness is fully capable of projecting them as from out of their consciousness to what your beliefs and capabilities of perception will allow them to be projected as into your physical reality.
So to iron that out a little more, the person that you are killing. ...Let's say me for example. You are going to kill me. Well, you are first off killing the physical projection of me, because you can never truly kill me. Even more so, You are killing the version of me that exists in YOUR universe. You are killing your own physical manifestation of Aaron. You have killed the version of me that exists in your universe, which was a physical version of me projected from within your own consciousness that came from YOU. So you are actually more so doing this murder to yourself. Because ME, myself, has never actually met you or even goes onto InwardQuest, never even heard of that website before, because my consciousness is not experiencing your version of me to even experience this death.
Therefore, it is more so you killing them with in you, because you are killing YOUR version of them that is a part of you. It's not wrong at all. You didn't actually do anything to the "real" person or animal even. You just killed a part of yourself that physically represented/symbolized them to you. So I personally have to agree with that is ok to kill that person or animal, because in truth, you are really killing that physical representation of them inside of yourself. However, it will still be experienced as real. And I do feel you will carry this with you and judge yourself from this experience nonetheless, which would cause weight on the soul, therefore building karma. Therefore lowering you into a lower vibration than before.
"Is it ok to kill someone".
This is more of an approval thing.
Even if someone considered to be an authority said "no, it isn't ok". Certain people would still kill; and even if the authority said "yes, it is 100% ok" there would still be certain people not killing.
Even if killing someone was legal - kill someone is an action that most likely comes from Hate, Anger, or Revenge and what you put out is what you get back (so these type of actions will be returned at some point causing endless wars or violence).
At least when an animal is killed for food it is not from a negative vibration it is from a positive vibration of Appreciation of The-Soon-To-Be Dinner...
answered 06 Jun '13, 14:15
I think the answer to this one can only be offered from a personal perspective dependent upon the level of consciousness or awareness of the individuals involved. In the grander scheme of things can we ever really say that one life is more valuable than another? If we're all one, then undoubtedly not.
From a personal perspective I would have to say that taking the life of another, without extenuating circumstances, is never justified but even that could always be seen as a judgement call on my part.
However, in saying that, as a Mom if someone threatened the life of my kids and the only way to save them was by taking the life of another, would I? In a heartbeat with no regret. Yes this means that I value their lives more and I choose to stay attached...guess I'll never reach enlightenment haha!!
So Rob in the end the only one who can answer this question for You is You :-)
answered 06 Jun '13, 21:06
Seeing as I have weighed in so late, probably nobody is going to read this, which is fine by me...
I think that those who believe that it is okay to kill other people because of something called co-creation are stark, staring crazy...
Killing people is wrong!
Read Dollar Bill's answer...He said it sure did not feel so great.
Why do you suppose that the Vietnam War was a mess? It is because we at home got to see what was going on, and it was terrible...Half the troops were on drugs- that points to something gone horribly wrong.
I am sorry, but I think this whole "co-creation" thing is crap.
Bad idea, that.
answered 07 Jun '13, 10:43
"If everything is co-created, is it ok to kill someone?"
Here is how i see it :
God, from his beyond duality reality, will be like : "Ok, but you will also be the co-creator of your own consequences..." :)
..and you will continue to co-create only to realize that the right way to put your question is:
"If everything is co-created, is it ok to kill myself?" ..hmm..guess not.. :)
answered 07 Jun '13, 16:04
Well. We've something good here. Die you bit*h! Co-creation is totally a LOA prospect. So I'd say no you don't need to kill someone to get what you want. We only want to kill someone when we think that he has made our life miserable or done us too much harm, or will be doing something along these lines. BUT THEN AGAIN LOA says whatever happens to us is what we attract or create. So I'd say before you go and plot that kill (whatever your reasons) through away the key to your gun locker and work on your vibration son. No need to judge good from bad, I'd say. Everything is what it is. Blah.
answered 06 Jun '13, 05:53
Kill another human being? Here is a real experience.
I have had to do it. He was about to kill someone I knew. I had no choice. I did not think, nor care if it was some kind of karmic event for them and/or me. It was an ambush and I was behind the ambusher, my friend was in front and did not see the guy raising his shotgun.
I had a pistol and felt that only a shot to his motor center would instantly stop him. If I had just wounded him, he could still have used the shotgun. It was part of a drug bust and I had no idea what this guy could have been using.
It was a horrible experience that I hope never has to be repeated and now that I know more about reality creation, I am certain it will never happen again.
I like guns for target shooting. There is something about putting a hole in a piece of paper at 200yds with a big magnum pistol . . . .
BUT I don't believe in killing wild animals.
I would like your input here. A friend has a large tract of land in Georgia. He has "pheasant shoots". This is where a group of "hunters" stand around the edge of a 200 yard circle. In the middle is a 40 foot tower.
He buys specially raised pheasants from a breeder. These birds are exercised so they can fly well. My friend hauls up crates of them to the top of his tower and throws them off one at a time. They fly over the hunters and about 60% are shot down. The birds are retrieved by dogs, cleaned and the meat frozen and passed out afterwards to the shooters.
With extremely mixed emotions, I joined one of these "shoots". It seemed somehow wrong.
I am an excellent shotgunner, from skeet, trap and sporting clays. But here we shoot small clay targets that can travel at up to 50 miles an hour. The birds are bigger and slower.
I reiterate that these birds were specifically raised to shoot. Well, I would guess that most of our food, animals and vegetables are also raised to be killed for our consumption.
I thought about not shooting until my friend told me that the birds that "escaped" would quickly die because they, having been pen raised, had no idea of how to find food or water in the land surrounding the open field.
How does this fit in with the idea of "Co-Creation?" My feeling was that I would not take part in these events again. But I look at a hamburger, a salad, or a piece of chicken -- how much different is a pheasant breast?
I am a part of cows, chickens and plants being raised to be killed. Would it be better if they never existed? Never got a chance to enter the earth plane?
answered 06 Jun '13, 09:10
I was asked By Catherine what my own personal ideas was on this. I had planned to answer it but most of you had already given great answers. BUT despite that, I will have a go at it.
My belief is this. Yes. It is ok to kill someone. I know through The law-of-attraction, and also the concept of our oversoul, that this is one option. Is it one that I would choose, well maybe. I can not say I would not kill anyone. But what I can say is that my beliefs would ONLY allow me to do so if I or one of my family members were being attacked to the point of imminent death. Even at this, I have had many years of training Hap-Ki-Do and also many other styles of martial arts and have taught others Mixed Martial Arts. So I do believe in my heart if it ever got to that point (which I am sure it never would. explanation in one min ) I could protect myself or others without having to go to that extreme.
NOW. lets dig in to the whole concept of why i feel i never will have to worry about this. I do not feel that it is right, or acceptable to have violence in my existence, so in this ideal, plus keeping my vibration aligned, and also knowing that I would cause this, all is a healthy formula to not bringing it to myself. This is the concept of LOA.
NOW The very last thing is somthing I have learned very strongly through my work with TReb. All things are Judged by us much to severely. We see all things as good, bad, resonate , not resonate, here, there, fun, boring, positive, and negative. This is NOT a good thing. (see i just judged us judging things lol) When we do this we are NOT the same as our oversoul. The oversoul is 100% complete neutrality. The exact example TReb uses is THIS. " When you experience the oversoul in it's TRUE form, you may see it as Two adults sitting down in a park. These are the oversouls. You will see two children as the fractiles that you are ( us as parts of the whole oversoul). When the two fractiles fight amongst each other, it is very similar to the idea of the two people at war. They argue, and fight, and become angry and hit each other. The parents know that this social interaction is vital to their growth, so they do not become angry.The see it for what it is, an experience that is needed. Just as these children need the experience, so do us fractiles. We need all experience. We need to kill, and be killed. We need to be born and need to give birth. The bible verse that expresses this idea is true in all ways. It must be done for all things to be truly learned. " And this is somthing I 100% feel through the entirety of my soul is true. This is why i do not see anything wrong, with killing someone IF you are aligned that way.
NOW the last fact I will share is the way physical reality is set up. We are in a conscious matrix. This puts our soul in a reality where we get to play. This alone lets us know that ALL people we encounter, all people we hurt, are only ourselves. This was shared on this session recently. I am happy to say that this question helped me think about this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siSqVWrAZJg I hope this helped anyone who may read it.
EDITED 6/10/13 had to add this newest session posted from TReb also. This one shows a little better how the soul only wants the experience in life, and doesn't see any "good" or "bad" in physical life. .
love n light
Rob the person that kills other would they like to be kill? if they say that they would not like to be kill then why kill other? is that loving the neighbor as your self? And if someone go killing people and get kill in self defense by the person that add no other choice to defend and protect is life, will you blame or judge the one that killed him? If you would be in the same position you would have done the same.
Like I said last night to someone that said to me that people are stupid in this world and that many should be kill.
They are worst thing then death. of course the person asked what is worst then death? Knowing that you should have done something and now it is to late to change it. And now you are stuck with people that will do the same.
A place will be make for you there are many mansion in the father kingdom. To the measure you judge also will you be judge.
If you look in this world do not people do the same. is it true? they make war with each other. they use money with each other they use the same product, they follow the same rule. they dress the same. if all those things are true in this world, how much more true it will be in the next.
Let there be light. Love each other. Be at peace with each other. Be merciful to each other. Be righteous with each other. Be just with each other.Do not judge.
Let there be light. Be the light that you should be. Experience and enjoy.
answered 06 Jun '13, 14:32
Your question pre-supposes that we are disconnected. Seth proposes that we are part of all-that-is. To kill another or attack another is to kill or attack yourself. That has its own consequences.
No one will die unless that person agrees to die. I believe that.
why do I believe that? Because I once faced death (the violent ex-husband told me I should prepare to die, and I believed him because he had never used such words before). I decided that I would not die in terror. This one time, no matter what he did, I would be in utter and complete peace.
Strange thing. He couldn't touch me and he didn't know why. Happened again a few months later. Same thing. Only then did he tell me that I could leave and he wouldn't come after me.
He wanted to kill me. He couldn't because I didn't sink into the terror and fear that he needed to inspire his cruelty.
Peace Pilgrim spoke of the same thing. I have since talked to others who have used peace and love as a mechanism of self defense.
answered 01 Dec '14, 06:36
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