I need to know various argument related to Uncaused Cause. Arguments that support the existence of uncaused cause.
Feel free to provide any form of logical explanations or through scientific or through any possible means you can imagine or think of it. Personally, i don't want to judge whether the argument is valid or not, but i will let you or them to judge.
I am not going to label Uncaused Cause as "God", since we need more argument to support it. But this understanding could be a start to be continued to the next discussion about whether this understanding could be related to the existence of God.
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO POLES
This argument may have perfected the argument that you know is: "because of the infinite backward search is not possible, then it will end to the earliest of Something" (cosmological argument), where I made perfection by abolishing the reasons relied on "the consequences of infinity", and by looking at what happens if the idea of ??infinity in this argument is sustained, then observe the consequences.
A Causal Chain
If there is new creation or new function, then:
Your Objection: There is no evidence for new creation, just conservation of energy.
Infinite backward asserts new creation: If an infinite backward asserts there is no creation then there will be an ended point as an uncaused cause, therefore we try another assertion to assert the consequences
Your objection: no logical support for infinite backward causality.
Opposite Direction of Causal Chain
The Intersection of The Two Opposite Directions of The Causal Chain
How do we deal with missing links on cosmological argument?
There is Uncaused Cause.
But if we consider there is no causal chain from currently to the past, in the sense that currently has no relation with previous cause rather that currently is constantly changing of thing, then we need to understand it differently as related to dependency. An axiom should be noted to solve this:
Axiom: something (without additional assertions) can't transcend beyond something itself.
From one liter water (without additional assertions) can't be poured as much as 1 gallon water. Meaning: All existences (without additional assertions) can not transcend beyond all existences (their self)
If we consider that a thing within another thing, and another thing within another different thing, again and again, it asserts there is thing which part (within) another thing and repeatedly without ending or having an ending.
All Existences are Fixed (or aren't fixed)
How many uncaused cause(s)?
If, Just if we consider there are many Uncaused Cause(s), then there will be consequences, and let us follow the consequences of it, and see where is it going to?
Several understanding must be asserted to make us to be able to see the whole picture of things, related to this case. And further discussion may be related to this understanding:
While we can use curve of Euler to describe how to position in between the set (uncaused cause) and its subset, where subsets are inside the set (uncaused cause). But furthermore, we can't apply relational as provided by curve of Euler. Why? Because on Set Theory, the term relation in between subsets doesn't assert whether both subsets are possible to be considered exist or not, rather it asserts that both subsets are grouped of the set.
(... I consider you already agree that there is uncaused cause, otherwise please refer to this "IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO POLES" or "ALL EXISTENCES ARE FIXED".
By using previous understanding above, we can continue to discuss about uncaused cause and how to relate it with another understanding, properly. If there is confusion on latter understanding, please revert (back) to previous understanding. Or if you consider still there is no relevant understanding, please notify us through comment, and see if i can assert additional understanding as a bridge in between your confusion. ...)
Now, back to my argument ...
Axiom: something (without additional assertions) can't transcend beyond something itself
For an "Uncaused Cause" is, never coming from another "Uncaused Cause", therefore between one "Uncaused Cause" and another "Uncaused Cause" there are possibilities:
Now, we will try to see the consequences of it and we will try to crash in between consequences, to see which one is collapsed and which one still survive, and we will see what is said by "the consequence which can survive". So we can see the conclusion of it. If there is a distance in between them (uncaused causes), then there is a thing separate them, or in other words, there is a thing in between them. Whether we consider it's only a space in between them, but it's a thing, since if we consider it's nothingness then it's impossible for nothingness in between reality, since nothingness has cause for nothing and nothingness is not placed anywhere. Furthermore, what is a thing in between them? There are several possibilities.
If in between them (uncaused causes):
1) There is "Not Uncaused Cause" (all things that were caused by any of "uncaused cause"), and it indicates that somehow "not uncaused cause" (all things that were caused by any of "uncaused cause") is placed outside one of any "uncaused cause(s)", which is impossible, because all of possible of not nothingness are only uncaused cause(s). It asserts that "Not Uncaused Cause" (all things that were caused by any of "Uncaused Cause") must be placed inside one of any Uncaused Cause(s).
2) There is "Uncaused Cause" as separator in between any of "Uncaused Cause", it asserts that:
3) There is no a thing in between any of "Uncaused Cause(s)", then there is no separator in between both of uncaused causes, furthermore, there is no distance in between both of uncaused causes.
Therefore, there is no further for any of "the caused (Not Uncaused Cause)" and any of "Uncaused Cause" that capable to separate in between "Uncaused Causes", therefore there is no separation in between any of them ("Uncaused Causes"), therefore it asserts:
@seremonia you base your theory on regression when you should base it on progression. if you go walk on the sand or the snow and look back do you not see your foot step on the sand or snow? look around you everything is growing even the universe is expending. you learn from the past to improve your self in the future and it all happen now in the present.(o) if we take the small symbol that I have just make in the past, and I say to you that the spirit is this one: o and that the water is this one() when you solve the division they became one: O the living one that you are is made in the image of the living one that is the cause that you seek. as long as you cast stone, mud or ignore paint on this one () you cannot see this one: o the Big one O the alpha and omega the one that sent you in the beginning know all from the beginning to the end, and is not limited by time. if you ask him what is the meaning of all this? he can show you the truth from the beginning to the end and I tell you it is to much to bear even in your united state. john3.31 http://biblehub.com/john/3-31.htm
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linear thinking in time
though knowing thyself completes
answered 03 Dec '13, 06:17
Yes, of course! When you take any seed (for example mango seed), it has to have a beginning, no matter how long back into the past; it should come from a supreme seed. So are all seeds. That Master Seed cannot have a beginning. What is the proof? We are the proof. We are all effects. And a Cause precedes the effect. If we exist, it means cause too exists. What is the cause of the Supreme Cause? This question is wrong. Because if we say this is the cause of cause, you will ask: What is the cause of this ......... Will it end anywhere?
Gita beautifully sums up the matter, saying God is "the eternal seed of all creatures." (Bhagavat Gita 7:8)
What normally happens with people is that they look for some high-sounding, high-voltage proof for the existence of God. But what is required is the down-to-earth common sense. You received a gift, which is of great use to you; and you know someone who loves you sent it. Similarly, earth prepared itself so wonderfully as if it knew we are coming and what are our needs! We know earth made of matter cannot do this--hence someone prepared the earth in such a way that it caters to our needs and enjoyments. That someone is God, the uncaused!
answered 03 Dec '13, 08:33
T D Joseph
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