Guess what? I have to EAT MY OWN WORDS! I asked a while back if the idea of Hell was an out-dated concept. If you have been following my Mind of God Posts, you know that I have learned some pretty neat stuff. But there is truly a flip-side to all of that:
Hell is a REAL place, and it is nastier than you could ever, ever imagine!
I guess God thought that I should pay a visit to Satan's place, and report back to you what I saw and experienced. Let me tell you, Hell is so bad that it makes fire and brimstone seem tame by comparison...
First of all, forget the idea that you will "feel" anything physical. Nope. Hell takes place in your mind and soul, not in any body, and that makes it doubly horrible! Satan tortures you in your mind, and there simply is no escape from it...It is as if you cannot even close your eyes, because you no longer have a body! Think about this very seriously.
Think about these lyrics...Because this is as good a description of the trapped feeling you get when you go to Hell as I can think of...:
Yes, it's just that way. Here it is: I could not escape, I could not move, I could not shut my eyes, I could not scream...I just had to watch as Satan had a good time combing through my mind and soul, finding all sorts of goodies to pull out of me and get me real good (as they say). He saw my love for my kids, so I saw each of them trotted out, and I had to watch them being tortured and humiliated until I felt my sanity slide askew...I kept saying to myself, "This is just illusion, they are not really here..." But I kept forgetting that it wasn't real; I could not help but beg for it to stop. That illusion was part of my torture...I constantly kept forgetting that although I knew it was all illusion, I got swept up in my feelings and my love, and I just forgot to stay out of what I saw. Then Satan saw me try to call for Jesus, and so he then dragged an image of Christ out, and he capered and danced and mocked and spat at this image...each action came out of MY mind, plucked right out of my deepest fears and horrors. When this "image" of Christ "died", I was treated to vultures and ravens feeding on His flesh until there was nothing left but bones...
It was so very awful.
Satan pulled no punches, had absolutely no mercy, compassion, or even humor. I tell you, he was deadly serious, and he meant to keep at it for as long as Eternity itself. He just kept sifting through my memories...I once fell down twenty marble stairs and was hurt...This gave me a dreadful fear of both high staircases and heights...So I found myself on a foot-wide bridge, suspended high over rock spires and crystalline, spiky shards. I kept slipping off the bridge, falling, and experiencing the terror of knowing I was going to be impaled below...only, just as I got there, I would find myself back on the bridge, all set up to fall again and again...If I managed to grasp the fact that all of it was illusion, Satan would just go into my mind, and pull out new stuff. I never had a chance to adjust or get "accustomed" to anything I was seeing. Realizing the illusion was the kiss of death (pardon the pun). As soon as Satan knew I became aware of the illusion, he just dove into my mind, and pulled out something new...Every mistake I made in life; every humiliating and embarrassing moment; every fear I ever felt-it all was grist for Satan's mill.
Every single person I cared about was tortured before me...Satan went as far back in my mind as he cared to go...It went on for what seemed like forever. My terror, confusion, horror, and pain never stopped for one minute. I was so very scared! If I cried out for a Saint, or Mary, or Jesus, I just saw their effigies torn apart before me...There was no rescue from anyone...
I cannot emphasize this enough: Satan used my own mind, my own experiences, my own fears, my own errors and lies and bad actions- all of this was paraded before me, and finally I understood that I was in Hell, and that it was never going to stop.
I woke up from this vision...and the final, inescapable truth was right there: I had been so frightened, I wet my bed.
Do you really want to gamble that I am wrong and this is a made-up place? It sure as Hell did not feel fake to me. I was soaked and I am embarrassed to tell you that I wet the bed, but I never was so scared. Ever.
So: What do you think of this? Do you want to think I had some sort of "bad trip"??? Let me know. I would like to add that I do not know where this place could exist. I always thought that God was everywhere, and that I could never be away from God. I do not pretend to understand; I am just telling you what I experienced.
Need I say any more?
Jai asks "So: What do you think of this?"
I "think" you are a troubled and tortured soul. I "think" sharing this "vision" with us is a cry for help. Please don't be embarrassed about wetting your bed - it was your body having a physiological response to a terrifying event.. Did you know bed wetting occurs in Stage 4 or Delta sleep. It is also a fairly common symptom for anyone who has been sexually abused and is suffering from PTSD.
Fred is NOT only poetic but possible prophetic when he said "the scenario sounds similar to that of a victim in a mind control program". Even the song you referenced suggests as much. The song is about "control" as was your dream as well as your interpretation of said dream, whether you realize it or not.
Are your nightmares repressed memories or is there someone, who is trying to control you? Someone you love and trust?
In your dream, you are losing control of everything & everyone you love. You say -"I never had a chance to adjust or get "accustomed" to anything I was seeing". Why do you feel your world is spinning out of control? Who or what are you really afraid of?
You say "I guess God thought....." I do NOT believe God wanted you to experience "Hell"! I've had more than one "dark night of the soul" and I know God did NOT have anything to do with it.
You say "I do not know where this place could exist" um.. in your mind - you create your own reality or in this case "hell". Hell is here on earth.
Yes, this may have been a spiritual crisis.......... but...............
I also "think" you were experiencing a night terror, complete with dream paralysis and NOT some sort of demonic possession. It was not the devil trying to torture you..... "Night terrors" is a medical disorder and there is help. You don't have to live like this and you need to seek help from people who will make you feel safe and help you heal - not ones who want the scare the 'piss' out of you. You are already scared/petrified - I can't see how fire and brimstone "speak" (hell) and preaching about Satan will help you. I "think" it does more harm than good. Why? cause there is always an element of blame/guilt/shame associated with it and that AIN'T helpful! You should be surrounded by loving and caring arms while you heal. People who will lift you up and NOT blame, shame or guilt you or scare the 'piss' out of you..
It also sounds a lot like PTSD - your nightmares as well as your song selection could all be interpreted this way. As I mentioned before - possibly a repressed memory? Abuse? Not only does your dream, song and analogy smack of fear, trust and control issues - as I said earlier - it brings up thoughts of abandonment, regret, guilt, shame, blame - so many negative energies.
I'm sorry to hear you were a victim of Satanic abuse as a child. It was not your fault. I'm sorry this happened to you and I'm sorry there was no one there to protect you.
I noticed you left off the next stanza of the song.....
answered 28 Nov '11, 05:47
the scenario sounds similar to that of a victim in a mind contol program,
answered 20 Nov '11, 00:41
I greatly appreciate your sharing, and applaud your honesty.
I absolutely believe that hell exists, and not just in the context that you explained.
Most of us live life happily because we choose to, and that is all we have come to know, but we often forget what it is like to walk in the darkness.
Look around at the world around you- at the people who have every reason in the universe to be happy, but are not. Can you think of a worse fate than being locked in your own life- constantly tormented by negativity and unhappiness, unable to escape. To me, hell is a fate that we face when we lose our way, when we forget what it means to live.
I believe that the experience you share in your story was absolutely a blessing, one of the greatest you could ever receive. I don't view spirituality the same way as Christians or those raised under that guise, despite being raised that way myself. Your experience was filled with awful emotions, the worst things you could ever imagine... But what did it teach you?
I ask you this: When you awoke from your nightmare, what was the first thing you felt? I imagine the moment you realized your children were alive and healthy you were filled with a more heartwarming sensation than I could ever begin to articulate with words.
Darkness is an urgent necessity because without it we would never know what it means to be in the light. As is every negative emotion we can experience, because without them we could never APPRECIATE the good emotions. Light and dark are not opposites, they are two sides to the same coin. A yinyang is not two separate creatures, but opposing forces that battle within a single entity that are both necessary to define what it is.
Tell me: Did this dream not instill in you a renewed appreciation for life and the ones you love? For me every time I am faced with a hardship or a near death experience I am exhilarated, because it reminds me WHY every day when I wake up I tell myself to appreciate that I am alive. We must never take anything for granted, otherwise we will never enjoy what we have.
Believe that you will never die, but live each day like it is your last.
answered 19 Nov '11, 23:23
What if you had no fear? If the fears from the past were not fears but lessons and they did not have the power of a fear would they still have worked . You have probably overcome some fear in your life. Was that past fear used ?
answered 25 Nov '11, 10:05
Its funny that u bring this up. I have an obsession of sorts with the Divine Comedy. It is a book as most of us know in the 1300's that gave most Christians their common conception of hell. To me it is funny how this book describes this mans journey, not only yo hell, but to heaven (Paradise) and in between (Purgatory). What is funny about it is the depictions of hell was, and still is, the most loved and still read literature known as Dante's Inferno. I always hoped to see a vision of this and was lucky enuff to have visited it in my dream state last year. I was NOT disappointing. It was everything I had Hoped for and more. But even then I understood that it was my manifestation of separation with god. No matter how bad we think Hell is it is only described in the bible as pits of sulfur and fire. Literally, that's all it is, a slight idea. Hell for me is just like heaven. a self manifested idea of either being connected to source, or separated from it. And although the pits of hell can be exiting, or horrid ideas for us all, it is the place we make it. Many people whop have that Dantes Inferno idea of hell, WILL experience JUST that ! I know that place only exist for those who wish it to be there. I am so glad I had a chance to see the version we have all become so familiar with, but MORE glad that I don't have to spend any more time there than I want to. Eternity ? NOPE not for me! Afterlife is 101% exactly what we make it, and it is sad to me that there are so many who will have to experience that hell, who don't want to, but have made themselves due to their beliefs of not being worthy of gods love. The reason it is so sad is because they think that, they experience that. Good news is that when they grow tired of it, they will always be given a way out! A guide of sorts, their own persona "Shade Virgil" ( book reference ) to help them find the way out of their own personal hell. And when leaving your own personal hell remember that ur guide is one close to ur heart. That will be ur own means of attracting him to help leave the separation from source that you believed you had to have.
'And are you Virgil, you the fountain that freely pours so rich a stream of speech?' I answered him with shame upon my brow. 'O light and honor of all other poets, may my long study and the intense love that made me search your volume serve me now. You are my master and my author, you-the only one from whom my writing drew the noble style for which I have been honored.' [Dante's first words to Virgil upon meeting him in the dark wood before their journey into Hell. Canto I, Inferno]
love and light
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."
Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.
Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."
"No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
so jai use this opportunity to solve all your sin and remove those veils and have faith. experience and enjoy.
answered 20 Nov '11, 04:11
i want to add another answer here. i am sorry to do it but it has a different view of my previous answer. ( heaven and hell )
quotes from Seth ( channeled by Jane Roberts )
You are a part of God in that you are a part of the consciousness that is, but you are not apart from a god who looks down on you and speaks… There is indeed as you conceive it no hell or heaven. These ideas have been distorted through the ages… You could call hell separation from the main stream consciousness called God, but this is impossible actually… [1965.11.01]
It may OUTRAGE YOUR INTELLECT, and the evidence of your physical senses may shout that it is untrue, yet a belief in good without a belief in evil is actually highly realistic, since in physical life it will keep your body healthier, keep you psychologically free of many fears and mental difficulties, and bring you a feeling of ease and spontaneity in which the development of your abilities can be better fulfilled. After death it will release you from the belief in demons and hell, and enforced punishment. You will be better prepared to understand the nature of reality as it is. I understand that the concept does indeed offend your intellect, and that your senses seem to deny it. Yet you should already realize that your senses tell you many things, which are not true; and I tell you that your physical senses perceive a reality that is a result of your beliefs. [1970.08.19]
At about the same time many intelligent persons were realizing that organized religions' ideas of God and of heaven and hell were distorted, unjust, and smacked of children's fairy tales. For these individuals there was no place to look for help. [1972.09.13]
The concept of nirvana (see the 637th session in Chapter Nine) and the idea of heaven are two versions of the same picture, the former being one in which individuality is lost in the bliss of undifferentiated consciousness, and the latter one in which still conscious individuals perform mindless adoration. Neither theory contains an understanding of the functions of the conscious mind or the evolution of consciousness – or, for that matter, certain aspects of greater physics. No energy is ever lost. The expanding universe theory* applies to the mind as well as to the universe. [1973.03.12]
The Christian concept of heaven with its riches, God and his bounty, the source of nature itself – all of this in our terms was a symbolic structure describing in storybook terms the attributes and characteristics of Framework 2. In our terms, All That Is exists in Framework 2 as elsewhere, but Framework 2 represents the source of known physical reality. From it flow all of the known facts of your world. Christ hoped to show that you survived death psychically and spiritually – that you returned to the father in heaven. Literal minds, looking for evidential proof, would insist that the physical body itself must rise, ascending, hence the related stories, the misinterpretation of data. [1978.01.09]
The idea of heaven, for all of its distortions, has operated as a theoretical framework, assuring the intellect of its survival.[1980.08.13]
love n light
answered 25 Aug '12, 10:24
TReb Bor yit-NE
Hi Jaianniah, Sorry, I just couldn't bring myself to read the whole question. However, I wanted to share with you a recent revelation I had regarding this.
Everything is vibrations. Our soul has it's own unique vibration. We are attracted to our physical bodies by our vibration. Our physical bodies are receivers, transformers, and transmitters. Our soul on it's own cannot raise or lower it's vibration. The physical body is like an instrument that we use to raise, or lower, our vibration. The vibration we are 'tuned to' when we die, determines where our soul is attracted to next.
So if we continually raise our vibration, we have successfully used our instrument to raise our vibration, attracting us to our next destination. So when people lower their vibration, they attract more things at that vibration. When they die, they are attracted to their next destination by that vibration.
Jesus taught what kinds of thoughts raise our vibration and which ones lower our vibration. When we tune in to the vibration that Jesus was/is in and taught and demonstrated, miracles happen.
answered 25 Aug '12, 10:44
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