1. Separate from us in Heaven? or
2. Everywhere, including inside of us? or
3. Connected to us via consciousness?
asked 28 Dec '09, 12:15
Hi Jaianniah. Thanks for bringing up this question again. I asked the other question “Is God within or out there?” and never posted my own take on that question. I found that everybody else’s answers were excellent & I didn’t want to repeat or take away from those answers.
So if you allow me may I add my two cents worth on this subject here?
As I mentioned before, my take on this subject is best illustrated in the form of a story that I wrote down as a part of a college project. It was originally titled the journey of a raindrop. It has since changed to the Ocean example or the Ocean comparison.
So there you are, one day you find yourself standing in front of the mighty ocean (doesn’t matter which one) with a great desire to comprehend the connection between you and the creator.
Now you reach into this ocean with one finger & lift out a single drop of water. Assuming that the ocean had a presence within it, you decide to discover the presence of the ocean within this little drop of water.
Since your perspective allows you to see the real relationship between the drop and the ocean you decide to educate this little drop.
You are shocked by this response, but you realize that the drop is absolutely correct in its analysis. However, there is a problem. The statement that the drop is the ocean is also true, except the drop cannot see that from its perspective. So what do you do?
You decide to go to the Source & you take a few steps back & ask the ocean directly for an explanation.
The Ocean is highly amused by this puzzle & laughs for a while. Then the ocean decides to let you in on the bigger picture. This is the reply the ocean gives you.
You see my son; I am the almighty Ocean.
Physically the individual drops focus only on what is around them. Physically they cannot see the bigger picture, that they en masse form the ocean. They can only reach for that knowledge with their consciousness.
You see, my son, every drop through its individual experience, contributes to a larger database of consciousness. Let’s call this an ocean of consciousness, pardon the pun.
You see that drop over there. Let’s call that drop “Peter”.
Now see this drop over here that is known as “Vanessa”.
Every drop within the ocean has the capacity to reach for this experience. But this is not necessary for a great experience of being the drop in the ocean.
You thank the Ocean for this great revelation & realize that the drop that you just spoke to will awaken to this realization in its own time.
Try this angle:
Creator’s an eternal dreamer, dreaming eternally,
Reality is a waking dream that lasts for eternity,
With no end in sight, and no real start, its called infinity,
You dreamed this dream of now, this now is now you,
answered 29 Dec '09, 02:48
I've just shared here my opinion that I had written some time before - I hope it answers in someway :)
God is mostly Nothing, partly Something; and as a whole Everything.
What I really had missed is an opportunity to realize my conformity with that Nothingness! When I feel like I'm not the body that I suppose I am, when I don't think like 'You are what You think', and when my mind is beyond the boundary to claim its ownership over the body and the passing by thoughts; what else can there be other than Nothingness? That was where I believe I was about to enter - where silence that surrounds melody is more joyful and realistic than the melody itself. That is the place where Buddha had pointed us by his saying, “Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without.” That is the place where one can realize his self-worth still being able to show other-respect, self-love still being able to show compassion, uniqueness still being able to accept the belonging with 'All that Is', and egolessness still being able to recognize own presence. That is the complete understanding, and that is the complete perception where we can hear silence and melody together - that is where Godliness matters and meaningless discussion about God disappears - and a place where we understand what faith is. Unlike fear-based surrendering to the inherited beliefs that we understand as faith, it is total acceptance of this ultimate truth - not because we belong to particular religious sector; but because we perceive and realize the truth - by being able to listen what 'It Is' and what 'It is Not' at the same time - by tuning ourselves to be able to listen both silence and melody at the same time.
Indeed, that is what I missed that day; but still it is nowhere out of me, but within me. It is within my reach, though it is difficult in a way to perceive it like the difficulties in perceiving silence when there is noise or melody. The truth is that eternal existence of silence can't be disregarded when there is noise - indeed without the existence of silence, there will be no noise. How can there is God if there is not Godliness within me? And how can one hear the silence when he just can hear the noise?
Then again, I feel like I have already something out of that nothing (at least a glimpse of it) - in the dimension of understanding and perception. In this journey, the ritual aspects of culture has been dropped since long; and with own ultimate perception about God, I really don't see any point to relate myself with religion. Contrary to that, I have differences with so many of them in understanding this concept. Moreover, how can 'the sense of belonging' and 'the perception of essence of being' be same? In addition to that, Love is no more driving force to me; but it does not mean that I don't believe in love like I was misunderstood about love by my friends. Indeed it is not rejection, but acceptance of Love's existence - as loving someone as 'They are Not' matters more than loving someone as 'They are'. To be honest, still I am nowhere near to be in that level as I acknowledge that what I am is very tiny fraction of what I am not; but I am on the way - somewhere near to be, and nowhere near by! The question 'Do you believe in God?' has been obsolete to me when 'Do you want to perceive Godliness?' matters the most.
The sense of separation of body and mind helped me, at least, to resolve the understanding about need. And when the need is understood in relation to body and mind, it is easier to differentiate and perceive pleasure and joy, wealth and abundance, pity and compassion, love and attraction. And the craving for sensual pleasure matters far less than looking inside for the eternal joy the mind feels in its perfect stillness. Then again, I am nowhere near to live all the moment - at least I am on my way to live most of my life in Nothingness (a present moment that we value the least in reality is the Nothingness where the noise of past and future floats as Something (that we value the most))
Indeed, so many issues appear confusing and contradictory - because of our understanding. Even the issue of need is confusing, and the need that body requires for fulfillment becomes the reason for pleasure that we unfortunately understand as joy. The one who says “All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become.” is the one who realized the impermanence (not because we are going to die)! Is not it confusing? When what we understand differs to what we hear from every spiritual figures, confusion and chaos are obvious. Then again, in its highest realization, I believe that every thing is in harmony like the crest and trough in the melody :) Everything is just a part of this 'All that Is' - a tiny drop in the gigantic ocean of divinity. Whether we are dew under a leaf or a rain drop mingled in pacific ocean, we are divine being. I still believe that we can realize that divinity and perceive the Godliness rather than just questiong about the existence of God and creating all the chaos that we witness around :)
God is separated from us in the physical sense, but not spiritually. He is the spirit that lives, and dwell within us all the time. No one has ever seen God; therefore if this life of ours is an illusion, then God himself is an illusion and none of this is real. Then the real question would be who is asking the questions, and who is answering the questions.
God created man out of clay, and he breathes his breath of life into man giving man life, therefore God is within mankind.
God created every living thing in our Universe, everything is matter, matter is in everything, and matter is everywhere, therefore God is everywhere.
God created the Universe in six days, and rested on the seventh day, therefore the Universe is the one consciousness that we are all a part of. God is consciousness the source of all life force, and we share the same consciousness every day of our life.
answered 29 Dec '09, 05:22
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god is the universe! god in heaven is connected to us by is grace that golden light that connect every light counscience in it! all individual counscience but all connected together and with god! does that answer your question?
answered 25 Jun '11, 02:40
The Source radiates from far away,
answered 04 Oct '12, 19:44
2 and 3 are true. Actually, if God is residing inside us too, we must naturally be a part of his consciousness. So 2=3.
answered 28 Dec '09, 14:16
Wonderful answers and I also say 2 and 3 as Asklepios said
answered 29 Dec '09, 05:14
god is located in your imagination and your need for something that you can't explain or understand. It is an easy way out to say that "god did it" or "god works in mysterious ways". It creates a natural excuse if you can't achieve your goals. "god didn't have it in his plans for me to get that job". It is a crutch. It gives someone a self worth that they can't earn on their own.
god is no where, only in your mind.
answered 02 Oct '12, 13:37
GOD the Alien
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