believe it or not, it is harry potter that made me think of this- there are three unforgivable curses in his world...it led me to wonder if there is truly nothing that God will not forgive...you see, sometimes i feel so bad, i find it hard to believe in hell at all...but then again, some people have had NDE's and have reported going to hell...so what is unforgivable???
thanks- sorry about the lack of caps! jai in the hospital
Personally I choose to believe that everything is forgivable if we are genuinely sorry. I think some religions play on the guilt factor where forgiveness is concerned, in order to control their congregations - if we say x amount of prayers or do penance God will forgive us - to me again this is portraying a God of fear and not love. When we do something wrong we can feel it in our own being, or we live in our own private hell until we forgive ourselves and with this forgiveness comes a desire to make amends. Forgiveness is one of the greatest gifts we can give to both ourselves and others - it liberates energy that has become trapped in holding on to resentments and grudges.Guilt is debilitating and energy draining on the mind and body and I don't believe that the God I know or the God Jesus taught us about practices conditional love and forgives some but not others - God's Love is unconditional - Always has been and Always will be.
answered 15 Feb '10, 23:06
If a person murdered someone, and he prayed to God to ask him for forgiveness, and he means it from the heart God will forgive him. But he will still be charged by the police, locked up, tired in the Court of Law for Murder, and if he is sentenced to death he will die. But he will die receiving God’s forgiveness.
When Jesus was dying on the cross, he said to God: Father forgive them, for they know not what they do? He was asking God for the forgiveness for the Romans that had murdered him. God is plentiful in his mercy, and he will forgive you of your sin, if you are sincere.
The thing here is that you cannot lie to God, he knows what is in your heart, and he will judge you according to the work you do. So it is important to come to God in spirit, and in truth, and whatsoever you pray for God will answer your prayer. God will do for you, what he has done for others, if you believe, and trust in him!
answered 16 Feb '10, 02:59
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My belief is that ultimately, there is no right or wrong. Therefore, whatever perceived thing is done to you or you do to another is automatically forgiven.
Another way of looking at it is, if you have consciously embarked on your spiritual journey, then you no longer do things to try to control or manipulate others. Neither do you cheat or steal from others as that is the same as doing those things to you.
Now in the case of others who still do those things to us, initially we may just forgive them, but are left with a nagging feeling inside because we can't understand why they are doing those things to us.
Once we gain full understanding of the subject of forgiveness, we realize that they did what they did because they don't yet know any better.
Then we realize that someone who does something because they don't know any better, cannot possibly be wrong in any way. And as such, 'no forgiveness is ever necessary.'
Here's a shortcut to this understanding:
They don't know
LOVE LIFE NOW 8-)
answered 16 Feb '10, 09:50
Hey Jai, from a biblical persprctive, this is what I have found.
You asked, "Are there any actions that are ever unforgivable? No, all actions to God are forgivable for his sake. Also note that any action will have consequences, either for the good or bad.
As Vee stated, "If a person murdered someone, and he prayed to God to ask him for forgiveness, and he means it from the heart God will forgive him. But he will still be charged by the police, locked up, tired in the Court of Law for Murder, and if he is sentenced to death he will die. But he will die receiving God’s forgiveness. "
Vee is spot on the mark with this statement. That is why Jesus' promise to save us from our sins is ever so valid. That is the reason He came, to redeem mankind back to Himself.
There is however, one sin which is unpardonable. I would like to expound on mebb's opening statement. It is the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
Definition: Blasphemy: n. An indignity offered to God by words or writing; reproachful, contemptuous or irreverent words uttered impiously against God.
Blasphemy is an injury offered to God, by denying that which is due and belonging to him, or attributing to him that which is not agreeable to his nature.
In Matthew 12:31 it says, "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
The literal context is ascribing Jesus' exorcism to beelzebub (a devil) and not to the Holy Ghost. That was the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
To draw a spiritual application from the same verse in Matthew 12:31 is the denying or the rejecting of the Holy Ghost's call to you unto Jesus Christ.
Many people react in contempt to this call.
Notice in the blasphemy definition, the words contemptuous and impiously. They are defined as:
Definition: Contempt: n. 1. The act of despising; the act of viewing or considering and treating as mean, vile and worthless; disdain;
Definition: Impious: a. 2. Irreverent towards God; proceeding from or manifesting a contempt for the Supreme Being;
When you, as a person come in contact with the words or information that the Holy Ghost is giving to you personally (through another person, books, articles, bible, radio, television, etc.), and you reject it for whatever reason, you have made your decision regarding 'the calling of the Holy Ghost'. You will live with that decision for the rest of eternity. This is the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
He is the one calling you.
God will never violate man's free will. For that is how He created us. He has done all He could to provide the way to him and by rejecting his call you live with your decision. He will not come back on a decision you made for yourself.
Consider the following verse,
Hebrews 3:7-12; 7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, 8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: 9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. 10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. 11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) 12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Jai you mentioned, "it led me to wonder if there is truly nothing that God will not forgive...you see, sometimes i feel so bad, i find it hard to believe in hell at all..."
God cannot forgive what you decided for yourself. These are predetermined parameters by God to man.
By the way, hell was not meant or intended for man.
25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
It's a choice you make.
answered 12 Apr '10, 22:38
well according to the bible blasphemy against the holy spirit is the only unforgivable sin. what does this mean exactly im not 100 percent sure but from what ive heard it is when one is very close to god and has a personal relationship with him then decides all of a sudden to abandon god and that relationship, appaerntly that is unforgivable. but again, that is comming from a biblical perspective, so it is not 100 percent. but i do persoanlly belive in it becuase for one to lets say " walk and talk with god" then all of a sudden say "fu*k you" to me that is the DEFINITION of blasphemy and foolishness. so a person in that type of position should NOT be forgiven for he/she TRULY KNEW GOD.
answered 15 Feb '10, 22:39
In the higher realms of the SPIRIT there is no Condemnation so there is nothing to forgive!! In our 3D world of Forms and Illusions we have alluded a God of wrath a God of this World and taught as a primer by Worlds great religion.
This life experiences is a Hologram of Dreams or sometimes nightmares a Hell or a Heaven, Good or Bad , Up and Down . A polarity and Duality of the Egoic mind suffering from a delusions of Separations and Duality. The Bible is telling us to wake up...sleepers wake-up from your MATRIX of dreams!!
The answer is always simple to the questions... What am I, Who am I. What is my purpose , What Am I doing here in this planet, where am I going!!
Yeshua the messiah is pointing ** the way**I AM thE TRUTH , I AM the LIFE Eternal it is always there within you. within us, we are blinded by our programs and blinders. Quiet the mind and release the programs of limitations. Be the master be ONE with your spirit BEING NESS for GOD is there and everywhere Denial and bargaining on oneness and Beingness is an Ego program .Deny thyself or ego separations and find GOD as the realization of all and everything there is.
answered 16 Feb '10, 01:21
I am also reminded of the bit about us all being actors upon the stage.. do we cast actors who play villians into "everlasting fire?"
There is also the scenario where one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. And I can guarantee you that you will find both types on both sides.
I believe that all 'sin' is a result of ignorance of the way things work and sooner or later, by repeated lessons, we finally figure it all out.
If we are part of God, because God is Omnipresent, how can God lose part of Himself... He is ALL. Do I chop off my big toe because it tripped me up?
answered 16 Feb '10, 02:48
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It's simple really. For those of you who believe in the Bible and those who don't, still you must consider "The Lord's Prayer" prayed so often yet little understood.
Jesus was basically saying, "Go Within" (OUR FATHER)
So there you have it. If you forgive others their sins against you, that frees you and makes you without sin. If you are without sin then I expect that means you are saved (so called) . Now if you don't think Jesus is talking truthfully here, you would have to argue that he did not really mean that our sins are truly forgiven when we forgive those who sin against us.
I personally don't hold to all that the Bible says, but there are some very great teachings in it and this prayer is one of them. I often wonder if people think that Jesus can do this kind of forgiving FOR them. If Jesus forgives you but you refuse to forgive your enemy, how is it that you are then saved? Would this not make Jesus prayer without meaning. If some professed belief is held to such that one must believe a certain way, (what some call 'the letter of the law' yet this lack of forgiving others is evident, then is that one to think that they still have Jesus to forgive their sin of unforgiveness and make them SAVED. This is why a vicarious attonement for our sins seems so unreal to me. It lets us off the hook as far as our being like-minded and Christ-like, showing love and forgiveness in the way we live our lives.
Also if one does not even claim a belief in Jesus at all, but that one forgives others their sins against himself what THEN. Has he not pleased Jesus who remember, valued the Good Samaritian his expression of love toward the man wounded and left to die on the side of the road, while the priest walked right past and did nothing. Yet Samaritians were believed to have all the wrong beliefs and were not much liked by the Isralites. Jesus comments of the Samaritian calling him good. Did not have anything to say about the priest however, who practiced not the Spirit of Love.
You could say the sinner's prayer over and over, but not having forgiven those who sin against you, your life will not show you the fullness of your salvation, right now, here in this moment, not in some afterlife scene, because salvation is a living experience. In the in-between life review you will simply see your mistakes and want to come back in again and get it right the next time around.
There is no unforgivable sin, just people often unwilling to forgive others.
God is not subject to human emotions of fear, jealousy, unforgiveness, insecurity, and such. God looked at all that he made and called it good....so should we if we but can see the bigger picture.
When I watch the movie Amish Grace, I saw how right here in Pennsylvania, a gunman that let his heart grow cold and hard over his own non-forgiveness of towards God about his daughter being still-born led to his murder of Amish girls. That gunman shot all those girls at that little Amish school to "Get even" with God for taking his baby back.
Most people could never forgive such an act, but the entire Amish community forgave that man and even offered his wife their help and grieved her loss as well as their loss. One Amish women had a hard time forgiving, but came around when she heard what her daughter did for the gunman right before he shot her. It is amazing to see the power of forgiveness to let love back into the heart where there was only hate.
There is some very important lessons on forgiveness within this film.
One lesson is that hate is a hungry beast, and it will not stop until it has eaten your whole heart and there is no love left. (This is exactly what had happened to the gunman to turn him so cold and hard-hearted.)
The second lesson is this: Forgiveness has nothing to do with if the one being forgiven is repentant and apologizes. It has a lot more to do with ourselves and if we want to feel hate (which doesn't feel very good) or open ourselves back up to love.
It is clearing ourselves out, a sort of "cleaning the cup" so that when it is filled with the water of love. That water is thus not tainted by the dirt of hate. If we do not forgive, all we will have is a "cup" of mud and that doesn't feel very good at all.
This is an amazing movie on forgiveness. More than than that, it is a true story that really happened. That forgiveness seen in the movie really happened and that healing really happened. It would seem that there are things we cannot forgive, but we need to consider this: What price is there not to forgive? The price is very high! Our hearts grow cold and hard until we too may snap someday, and plan to get revenge ourselves! But even if we could get revenge ourselves and get away with it, it would not make us feel any better but even worse. It is a downward slope when we are unwilling to forgive, a downward slope into more and more resentment and anger and hatred! It becomes a torturous journey that lasts as long as we are not willing to forgive, a torturous journey that doesn't stop at death. Is it worth that price to not forgive?
We may hate others for what they did, but it really is us who are punishing ourselves. So yes, we must forgive everything for our own well-being. We are all one, and as we forgive others we are forgiven, as we release others we are released. Think of being chained to the one you hate, you finely decide to set them free (forgiveness) but as you release the chain you notice something wonderful happens to you! You are set free as well! This is because you can not release a chain without being released yourself. This is because the chain is a chain that you made! And so, as we forgive, we are as well forgiven. It is impossible for it to be any other way because it is ours to keep or let go.
So if we feel there is anything unforgivable then that is the thing that will bind us until we decide otherwise.
If we extend this to Jesus we see that it would very much be the same; He is an all-loving being. For him to not forgive when we ask forgiveness would be for him to harden his heart. Since He remains in love, He does forgive us as soon as we ask; we are instantly forgiven. It is up to us if we are truly repentant or not. In other words, are we really changed or trying to fool God by saying the words? It is what is in our hearts that matters most to God, we can't fool God with empty words!
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