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I was watching a seminar by Rob Williams on how perception flavors experience. In the seminar he showed this painting, The Scream, and he showed a woman standing on a cliff with the wind blowing in her hair like she is content. He asked which would you like to be? He even said jokingly if you pick The Scream seek medical attention and get a prescription.

He failed to see The Scream as anything but negative. But when I looked at it, I thought it was beautiful and thought that is what I want. Now here is why and see if you agree once I tell you why. As I looked at this painting, I saw amazement, excitement, wonderment, overjoy, ecstasy, I saw a man alive with life and happiness! The others are asleep in the dark unaware of the beauty of nature all around them. Think of a boy on Christmas day coming out to see the tree all decorated and all the presents for everyone. That is not contentment that is excitement, wonderment, and joy. Think of the Wright brothers first successful lift off into the air, they were not content, they were ecstatic, and elated with joy! Think of Neal Armstrong blasting off for the moon, he would look pretty much like this painting I'm sure when he probably said wow while taking off for the moon, and when he first stepped on the moon. These are not, "All is right with the world." content moments, these are, "Can it possibly get any better than this?" moments.

Now look back at that painting and see what you think and feel.

Many see this as, terror or hell, but I see it as excitement and heaven. Imagine how your face would be seeing Heaven, you would be in awe and that is what I see in this picture a man in awe of nature. WOW!!!!!!!

Now think of how our perception flavors our experience of reality.

*Painting The Scream by Edvard Munch

asked 18 May '15, 08:48

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Wade Casaldi

edited 18 May '15, 08:53

my personal first experience in this domain was what I described as terror, that was many years ago and I've had plenty of time to evolve. What exactly is "terror" but an intense overpowering feeling of fear. And what is fear but an emotion that's been labeled "negative", extremely bad, awful. This is where things become very interesting because awe can be defined as being "A feeling of respect or reverence mixed with dread and wonder"ref; the free dictionary. So terror can mean intense wonder.

(09 Aug '15, 02:18) jaz

How do I feel @Wade right now? Take away the learned labels of "negative" "bad" "awe" "wonder" and all that remains is a pure raw vibration just like a pure raw vibration of music that can be appreciated just as it is.

(09 Aug '15, 02:23) jaz
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To me, it evokes strong emotion colouring a person's perception of the reality around him. It also makes me think of the contrast of Norway's almost impersonal, aseptic environment (everything is so quiet, ordered, structured but there's a sombre quality to it in winter) and the whirlwind of emotion within that is now reflected and perceived outside. It's not so much hellish as is more of a liminal, in-between state - where forms lose their solidity and suddenly there's no ground to stand on.


answered 19 May '15, 15:08

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well it look to me to be a sailing deck on the water behind the first person holding is head with is mouth open there is 2 more people and there is 2 house on the shore on the right side the water go around the shore and you see the sun going down I think that the painter add problem putting detail. that is why it is hard to make up if the person is screaming or is marveling at the sea. being near the water I would say marveling at the sea.

well it seams I was right it is two building in the back one is a slaughterhouse and the other a asylum where the painter sister Laura was in.

well it seams the person with hand each side of her face was suppose to be Laura but she was in the asylum in the building in the painting. and the painter was expressionist why did he name it the scream of nature? could it be that he tried to expresses her sister problem in the painting? there is two shadow figure in the back with hats maybe she puts her hands to not see them and is screaming. could it be she was in asylum because she was the victim of shadow people attack and at that time people did not know about this. and said that she was insane or possessed?

the hat man:

for any one that does not know how to deal with shadow people attack. it is simple they make you fear and feed on that energy so stop fearing. they are shadow so let there be light, be the light that you can be when you put some light on them , they will vanish from where they came from.

if any of you remember that we come from the light. in God there is no darkness at all.

and for those that do not remember read this bible verse.

This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

the truth shall set you free.

Let there be light, be the light that you can be, experience and enjoy.


answered 18 May '15, 17:40

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white tiger

edited 19 May '15, 19:02

Weird when I see this hat man here, it reminds me of Lee Marvin walking in from the shadows getting ready to blast some bad guys in a western movie.

(19 May '15, 12:04) Wade Casaldi

@Wade Casaldi I did not see the movie that you are talking about. even if name can change to describe this it remain the same thing. name example: devil, demon, darkness, mare, night mare, succubus, incubus, shadow people, hat men, alien, gray, vole de mort. etc.... you see according to what some one know in this world he will give it that name, because it is the name he know to describe it. but the fact is all those thing make you fear and feed on that fear. they even have a scientific name-

(19 May '15, 19:10) white tiger

for it now sleep paralysis.

the only part they got right is that it is between wakefulness and sleep. and is is caused by a shadow people

but science care more about the seen that the not seen so they attribute it to physical cause. if it where physical then why stopping fear cause it not to return. is fear something that can be touch? is it physical? is fear a reaction to something that can be harmful-

(19 May '15, 19:20) white tiger

or to something not understand? or alien? if some scientist can have that experience he might change is view on the subject and not see it as hallucination. what about people abducted by alien. Due to a paucity of objective physical evidence, most scientists and mental health professionals dismiss the phenomenon as "deception, suggestibility -

(19 May '15, 19:29) white tiger

(fantasy-proneness, hypnotizability, false memory syndrome), personality, sleep paralysis, psychopathology, psychodynamics [and] environmental factors".[3] Skeptic Robert Sheaffer sees similarity between the aliens depicted in early science fiction films, in particular, Invaders From Mars, and some of those reported to have actually abducted people.

(19 May '15, 19:29) white tiger
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For me it's a perfect pictoral illustration of what I have actually experienced and it scared the **** out of me. At the time I was doing a psychoanalysis, I was pushing deeper and deeper till at some point something happened and I felt like I'd split in two and I experienced all kinds of phenomena like being on the limit of reality just as described in the picture, I experienced temporary states of terror. I remember the exact moment when things "flipped". It was during a seance with my psy and I asked "why do you live in boulanger road?" (that was where my psy lived) and she replied "because there are cellars and wells". I already had my energy real tight strung and at this point it felt like my energy had suddenly been reversed and it split into two separate balls of energy, one stayed within my head the other flew off into orbit. My psy seemed delighted with the operation.

Clinically it was the start of a situation psychosis; definition in the Free Dictionary - a severe, transitory emotional disorder caused by an extremely distressing event or situation.

Afterwards I attended during working hours an outpatient hospital for 11 months to recuperate, where I met and made friends with many different individuals with various emotional problems. Now looking back I realize it was a deeply enriching experience :)

As @Surfgrass points out, "where forms lose their solidity and suddenly there's no ground to stand on" I already had a penchant for "the unknown" and this experience reinforced my appreciation of magnetism, subtle energies and radionics and such :)

So what exactly is hiding behind the label "psychotic"? Is it an opening up of the capacity of awareness? or are words, labels, language just a load of bs?

Definition of language in the Urban Dictionary; device invented to hide our thoughts.


answered 08 Aug '15, 10:38

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edited 09 Aug '15, 04:42

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