Possible Duplicate: How can mental illness and LOA coexist?

A specific example I would use as a point of reference is schizophrenia. For those unfamiliar, paranoia and delusions are two of the symptoms of schizophrenia.

If fear is one of those emotions that interferes with the manifestation, wouldn't a mental disease causing paranoia be catastrophic?

And for a contrasting point of view: being delusional.. I'm sure this is a silly question that can easily be rebutted, but couldn't being delusional actually help you in the 'believing' stage, perhaps even to an incredible degree?

The question I'm attempting to ask here is what implications do mental disorders like this one have on the LOA?

And as a personal aside: if a mental disorder has symptoms [such as paranoia] that are interfering with an individual's ability to grow spiritually, should a mentor direct them to try to address the paranoia [symptom] or the schizophrenia itself [cause] first?

asked 24 Feb '12, 04:16

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edited 26 Feb '12, 02:49

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@snow - you know what happens when you don't sleep. Please get some rest. I love ya....

(24 Feb '12, 05:11) ele

@Snow - i believe you are pinpointing an important question that goes very far indeed ... it needs a real expert in these matters to give a satisfactory reply ... i'm sure there are a few IQ members capable of this :)

(24 Feb '12, 05:20) blubird two

@Snow - come out of the darkness & let the light in.

(24 Feb '12, 05:27) ele

@Snow it's partly the interpretation of restless as well as a play on words in regards to Snowy Owl; when I asked you if you were restless. If you get some sleep; perhaps you will find clarity. No stars here; it's snowing.

(24 Feb '12, 05:37) ele

@ele: Fine fine. You're right. Good night. =)

(24 Feb '12, 05:45) Snow

@Snow Sweet Dreams...

(24 Feb '12, 06:09) ele

@Snow - do you know the ironic part about this question? For people with schizophrenia, they are diagnosed as not being able to distinguish reality from illusions sometimes.. but tell most of the doctors out there about LOA/manifesting/spirits/ghosts and they will think you have schizophrenia too (i.e. believing in what is impossible to most other people) lol!

(24 Feb '12, 13:10) kakaboo

@kakaboo: Yes I'm very aware of that, and that's one of the biggest points of confusion for me! But then again, if one was not preconditioned to the Christian faith, it would sound pretty crazy too.

(24 Feb '12, 16:38) Snow

This is a really good question and I'm looking forward to reading more answers to it!

(24 Feb '12, 17:03) cassiopeia

well kakabou then if this is the definition of schizophrenia:they are diagnosed as not being able to distinguish reality from illusions sometimes.. then all the world has it to different degree. since the world is seen has mara the illusion. and we all see each day people not seing properly what his around them or in them.

(24 Feb '12, 17:08) white tiger

id LOVE to hear stingrays take on this one :-)

(24 Feb '12, 17:56) TReb Bor yit-NE

@white tiger - it's just one of the symptoms out of the many

(24 Feb '12, 20:25) kakaboo

@white tiger: as kakaboo said, there is a lot more to it than just that. Saying everyone is a bit delusional is definitely legitimate and I'd agree with you, but schizophrenia has many more implications than just that, and the severity is also generally implied to be much higher than simple delusions.

(24 Feb '12, 20:58) Snow
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I wish I wasn't able to answer this question...I have thought about it all day, weighing the pros and cons of talking about it from such a personal point of view. But, I decided to put a positive spin on it, and decided that the info I could share about this outweighs my own pride on this. Anyway, most of you know I have had my problems, anyway. I guess that is a truth of its own, too.

I suffered severe childhood abuse, and it caused me to develop dissociative identity disorder...or rather, what used to be called Multiple Personality Disorder- just like the woman in the book called "Sybil". My story gives my listeners PTSD just hearing it. It really, truly was that bad. I "split" into at least 29 different and discrete "parts", and have spent many years in counseling, attempting to become one, working cohesive mind. A by-product of my abuse is permanent brain damage, migraine headaches, and depression. I have the dubious distinction of qualifying for Social Security Disability on my first try...(This is also due to my physical disabilities, which do not help anything, either.)

Learning to manifest and think positive has been very, very difficult for me. Moving to Pennsylvania and living up here with Wade and his family has given me my first taste of safety and normalcy in my life. My family of origin was very dysfunctional, and my marriage, which died in 2004, was also one of dysfunction and abandonment. My kids were damaged by my MPD and also my serious illnesses.

My introduction to the "Light" was my desire to learn alternative healing. I first learned Reiki; this led to becoming a Reiki Master/Teacher, Pranic Healing, etc. Wade and I first met as we were both learning Magnussa Phoenix Reiki, and emailed each other as friends in healing, starting about 2004. When Wade, who was already highly knowledgeable about the roots of the LOA, began telling me about this new site called Inward Quest, I began writing there in 2009. It was then that Wade and I became close friends, talking on the phone endlessly about IQ. He was quick to see that I lived a negative existence, was very skeptical deep down, and highly distrustful of anything positive...It was then that I "saw" just how my psychological damage affected my ability to grasp the fact that I had to change my thinking to change my reality.

This is the problem with psychological disease and manifesting: changing one's thinking, after years of abuse, is really a challenge. Everything in me fought and fought and fought against changing, because my thinking was all geared towards defending myself from any possible future abuse!

These defenses are almost a sort of paranoia! My "parts" had served me well in keeping me from feeling the pain of my trauma, and I really had a problem with trusting anything new!

But Wade, bless his heart, was truly a Godsend..he was patient and kind, was logical, and constantly led me by the hand (figuratively at first) through the process of letting go of those defenses. These defenses are illogical to outsiders.But my mind had been on alert for so long, the patterns of thinking were so ingrained, that I really resisted this new and truly healthier way of life for a long time.

By 2010, Wade and I were growing very close as a couple, although he was afraid of getting hurt by yet another woman. (That is his story to tell, if he chooses.) But I grew despite myself, and occasionally asked a question (well actually, I asked a great many questions on IQ...I once dubbed myself "The Queen of Questions" here on IQ...LOL!) that hit the jackpot, and that "reward", and all the great answers, led me onward. How lucky I was, and what a gift from God I had received! My Faith grew, and slowly, like a reluctant flower, my mind began to open, my defenses started to fall as I saw the illogic of my sick thinking.

I know I drove poor Stingray out of his mind! I was always sliding backwards and forwards, but the steps forward started to out-number the steps backward. On Valentine's Day of 2011, I asked Wade the "Big Question". At this point, we were on Skype as long as eight hours a day, and it was clear that we had a relationship. I challenged him on this, and he said, "Well, but we haven't really met yet. "Fine," I replied. "I am flying up to meet you...this Skyping is torture..." I joke that I had to hit him over the head with a 2 x 4 to get him to admit that well, just maybe, yes, I was right. I flew up to PA in March of 2011, and the rest is history. I am telling you this because the story of our relationship is also the story of my reaching true healing. In May, after my knee replacement, I packed up a few things, abandoned my home in Mississippi, and moved to PA to join Wade. Little did I know that the real challenge had just begun.

For the first time in my whole life, I was safe! And because I was safe, I could finally truly see the difference between my thinking, my old behaviors and defenses, and try to enjoy being safe. I immediately found an excellent counselor, and Wade joined me in my counseling, and the three of us began the task of unraveling my obsession and old habits of living. I could not have gotten here without being surrounded by the love of Wade and his parents. I cannot ever express how grateful I am to them and God, too, for this miracle.

So, yes, psychological illnesses and damage do affect one's ability to manifest and to use the LOA. But if you truly try...and I mean try, it can happen.

I am proof.

Miracles are happening every day now. "Godincidences" are frequent. I finally "get it" (I am sure, much to Stingray's relief...)! I do not know if a schizophrenic could do this; I do not know. But I have, and I hope my story will give hope to those with depression, bipolar disorder, or other mental illnesses.

You see, our thoughts create our reality. I see how changing my thoughts quite literally have changed my reality. I was graced with seeing The Mind of God, and this went a long way towards helping me see just how important thinking and thought really are to reality.

I thank everyone here on IQ for your patience, teaching, support, love, and even points! My erratic behavior is due in part to my MPD (DID). I am a new creation, now named as a whole person called Jaianniah...I am planning to officially change my first name to mark this event.

Blessings, and all my Love,

Your Jai

To Wade: You are a great Gift...a Great Man...a Great human being. Thank you, thank you, thank you. To IQ: Thanks for helping me grow. Thanks for your prayers when I almost died back in 2009. I would not be here to write this without all of you.


answered 24 Feb '12, 21:56

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edited 24 Feb '12, 22:37

Thanks for sharing Jai. It really does mean a lot. =)

(24 Feb '12, 22:07) Snow

I thank you for asking such a great question!!! <3 Jai

(24 Feb '12, 23:01) Jaianniah

@Jai - deep suffering as you have experienced, brings also deep understanding ... what i hear i forget, what i see i remember, what i do i understand ...

(28 Feb '12, 03:03) blubird two

@Jai Why does it have to be permanent?

(28 Feb '12, 03:15) ele

@Jaianniah - "I know I drove poor Stingray out of his mind!" ...obviously I must still be out of my mind because I don't remember that happening :)

(28 Feb '12, 19:15) Stingray
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All negative emotions are rooted in fear and as such will only allow manifestations that vibrate at that frequency. Undoubtedly the implications can only be that what is attracted can only ever be what isn't wanted ( since the LOA is always operating ) whether we're conscious of it or not.

Our own self delusions are the only thing that prevent us from seeing the wonder and totality of All that Is. The varying degree of those delusions within us, as a race, determines to what degree we experience reality. When those delusions are seen through only then can we truly experience Heaven on Earth, and every human has this capability...some just believe those delusions more than others and are labelled as having a mental disorder.


answered 25 Feb '12, 19:56

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Michaela, MPD (DID) is the ONLY mental disorder that is 100% curable...with proper care and work...Son of Sam got his instructions from God through his DOG...This kind of mental disorder is genetic, and comes from a disease that involves a PERMANENT mis-wiring of the brain...These people may momentarily have remission, but they cannot "see" through their delusions...not ever...The streets are full of delusional, homeless people who have no place to even be treated for their diseases. -cont....

(25 Feb '12, 21:15) Jaianniah

The LOA has no place in their minds or lives...they could care less...they do not have the capability to "see"...It is like telling someone who has brain damage from a bullet wound that their loss of brain function is a delusion and that they can replace that loss through manifestation...Sorry, but I only see illogic in your reply...Jai

(25 Feb '12, 21:18) Jaianniah

@Jai...I'm pretty sure Jesus did not believe that MPD was the only curable 'mental disorder'. He chose to see beyond the illusion of 'all diseases' to the perfection that always exists...we deem it 'a miracle', he merely saw 'The Truth'. We will always be limited by our own beliefs my friend :)

(25 Feb '12, 21:51) Michaela
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well snow i would say that if you experience only one part of the truth and stay rebuke against the rest of the truth then you are delusionnal. example: someone beliving only on words and another one beliving only on math would each thing that the other is delusionnal. but in fact they would both be delusionnal. another example i could give you is the movie paul http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29d7r6u03tU&feature=related the alien thinks only evolution created the universe and the christian think that only god created the universe and they do not accept the others point of view. but in fact they are both right at different degree. evolution only being a result of god creation. but in truth i tell you they should seek the keystone. 66. Jesus said, "Show me the stone that the builders rejected: that is the keystone."


experience and enjoy.


answered 24 Feb '12, 17:23

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edited 24 Feb '12, 19:10

It took me a minute to figure out what in my question you were responding to. =)

This was a very long way to say an answer I anticipated, but I definitely enjoy how you explained it.

Good answer for a few reasons, thanks for sharing. ^_^

(25 Feb '12, 00:24) Snow

@white tiger - in other words, have a view as wide and open as possible ... yes i like it ... bb2

(25 Feb '12, 00:57) blubird two

I interpreted what he said as a response to my addendum regarding which to address first, the symptom or cause. And I translated it was "It is most effective to address both of them equally."

I could be completely wrong though. If I am, then I will need some help understanding this one.

(25 Feb '12, 01:04) Snow

well what i was trying to say is that judging is from the ego and still trap in the ego you are delusionnal. only when you unite the 2 opposite do you free your self and stop judging. it also give your self a bigger part of the truth because you are not trap in your position. like paul in the movie and the religious women. both are stuck in their position and cannot unite their truth to have a better understanding of the truth. has for paranoia it is someone that know a little about something.

(25 Feb '12, 07:19) white tiger
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Snow, the truth is...

Individuals who have suffered a pattern of alienation in childhood, are subject to acquiring chronic anxieties that will cause major offsets in their career path.

According to my research, chronic anxiety is now the single most debilitating disease and/or disease exacerbating condition the world has ever known...

I currently estimate that more than 15% of the world's population suffers from the condition. That means that more than a billion people are now living with diseases that were both initiated and fueled by chronic anxiety -- and are daily suffering from those mounting health-destroying and career-debilitating side-effects.

I saw this situation coming more that 20 years ago...

That's when I could begin to foresee and forecast the events of 2010 -- the year that the primary CAUSES of the whole range of combined, accumulated and exacerbated international social and economic anxieties...

a). Attention Deficit Disorders. b). Systematic Substance Abuses. c). Post Traumatic Stress Disorders. d). The Epidemic of Chronic Disease. e). Hyperactive Personality Disorders.

... would ultimately become the foundation and footing for the longest-lasting and most devastating international monetary crisis the world has never known!

How did I know? Because I'm a future forecaster... have been all my life. A Prophet some say... and I knew of a certainty as far back as 1989, that the global crisis of 2010 would last until at least 2020... probably longer.


answered 24 Feb '12, 06:06

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edited 25 Feb '12, 09:39

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A very intriguing answer on many fronts.

I'd say your estimates regarding anxiety are a whole lot higher than you think, but you may be on to something here.

As for being a leader.. I have more issues with taking direction than I do with leading. Leading is easy. ^_^

Regarding the entire concept and your offers to help, I'm always open to trying new things, I'd gladly accept any assistance you want to offer me. =)

(24 Feb '12, 16:41) Snow

Count me out Snow... I don't think you're seriously interested.

(25 Feb '12, 07:44) The Prophet

@The Prophet, you appear to be using your answers as a method of promoting the services you offer. This is not permitted on IQ. Please refer to our FAQ: http://www.inwardquest.com/faq/ . I am editing this posting to remove the reference. Please do not do this again.

(25 Feb '12, 09:37) Barry Allen ♦♦

@The Prophet - "individuals who have suffered a pattern of alienation in childhood" ... yes i agree this is often the cause of chronic personality conditions later on in life including not only anxieties but also paranoia, schizoid type and even schizophrenia etc ... these are just labels of course for convenience, but nevertheless such people really do have difficult problems to overcome just as much as people with physical illnesses.

(25 Feb '12, 23:45) blubird two

@The Prophet - such people, by definition, go beyond the "normal" limits of reality and often have perception of a deeper reality that is difficult to describe ... a glimpse of this world is often portrayed through works of art ... just take a look at a Dali painting for example ...

(26 Feb '12, 03:12) blubird two
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it is the preponderance of a thought
that has a compensation on the thinker
if our world is but an illusion
how off could your interpretations
of it be


answered 28 Feb '12, 20:54

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