I don't know what to believe anymore. So confused. I have a few questions that perhaps people can address to make non-believers a believer.

Why is it that God is so unforgiving to the non-believers?

Why does God say, have faith in me, just believe me, use faith before your logic, even though that is what I have given you. In that effect, doesn't that impose on free will? Is an all loving being supposed to control a person mentally?

The anti-Christ talk is from someone I heard, I'm not sure how accurate it is. There is an anti-Christ. First that will appear before us is a fake anti-Christ, then a real anti-Christ, and then after that Christ will appear. How do we know if Christ is not the ultimate form of deception?

I can see that submission of power can lead to peace in one aspect, but it is limited. IE. The people being subjective to the government. The people believe in the government and the power is given to them by the people. However, the government uses their power to subjugate even more people, slaughter more people, through the power of the people. Versus. A small tribe of people who respect each other as equals lives harmoniously and allows others to live the way they want. Perhaps one might say, the government is formed by a human entity, but in God's realm the duality is shown as well through the favoring of Lucifer and then the banishment of him.

Will hell be eternal even though it hasn't existed eternally since it was born after God? Will heaven be eternal even though war has existed in the heavens at least once already?

If we were to throw all away logic, the very thing God has given to us to use, and to listen to God and only God, because God works in ways we do not understand and he says it like so, isn't that the makings of the perfect soldier? The creation of even more duality of good and evil? A creation that becomes ever more disharmonious?

I don't know what to believe. So here comes the paradox. Do I believe in myself, or do I believe in someone else? Or do I believe in neither, or both? But how do I do that... So Confused. So Confused.

asked 28 Mar '12, 16:45

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the believer are saved because they believe in jesus and because they are from the flesh but follow jesus as example of the way the truth and the life following is commendement to the letter worship in spirit and truth, love God with all your heart. love your brother and sister as your self,do not judge. it is writen in the bible. but jesus is the way the truth and the life. because he comes from above and know the father. the flesh is flesh and the spirit is spirit.

(28 Jul '12, 18:13) white tiger

but none accept our testimony.also writen in the bible. you can see that as 2 way to get to the same destination. the spirit can go to the kingdom not the flesh.

(28 Jul '12, 18:17) white tiger

the believer should leave their darkness behind and become the light eventually. the other way is to do what jesus did born of water and spirit. and go above. do not be surprise of my saying.

(28 Jul '12, 18:46) white tiger
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You know, God just wants you to be.

(29 Jul '12, 10:09) Nikulas
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In The Name of Allah, the Most Compassionate Most Merciful.

why do you think that God is unforgiving to non believers? Perhaps you don't have a deep insight about this and thus you assumed so, the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said: "Had the non believer known the mercy that is with Allah, he would not give up hope that Allah will admit him to Paradise". Allah the exalted says: ( And if My slaves ask you regarding Me ; Iam the near one who answers the caller of the one who makes request) my advice to you is to start with yourself, anazlyze yourself, and aim to be a genuine and sincere person and seeker of truth at the same time seek tremendous assistance from Allah the Creator. i remember going through hardships in my process/journey for questing the Truth but i found that Allah will show it to those who seek it sincerely and work in being sincere and genuine; i.e truthful. Ask Allah to help you and assist you in humbleness and tell Him how you feel, cry if you are inclined to do so, do a good deed sincerely for Allah(God) and mention it in your prayers.

anyhow, i hope reading the following Divine revelation will help you:

Related from the messenger of Allah, that Allah the Exalted revealed: " O My servants, I have made opression forbidden for me and forbidden for yo, so dont wrong eachother.

O My servants, you sin by day and night and I forgive all sins, so seek forgiveness from Me so I would forgive you.

O My servants, all of you are astray except those I have guided, so seek guidance from Me and I will Guide you.

O My servants, you will attain afflicting harm on Me so as to harm Me, now will you attain benefitting Me so as to benifit Me.

O My servants if the first of you and the last of you and the whole Jin and mankind were to be as the most pious one f you, that will not add anything to My Dominion.

O My servants if the first of yu and the last of you and the whole of Jin and mankind were to be as wicked as the most wicked one of you, that will not lessen anthing from My Dominion.

O My servants , it is but your deeds which I count for you and give you reconing thereupon, so he who finds good let him Praise Allah, and him who finds other that let him blame no one but his self"

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answered 28 Mar '12, 20:51

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very nice . blessed are the peace maker they will be called sons of God.

(28 Mar '12, 21:11) white tiger

Thank you for your perspective. I'm glad that you responded. +1

(28 Mar '12, 23:26) The Traveller

I got all the quotes except for that last one. Isn't it if he find others, and believe it to be so that he found salvation in others. Wouldn't that be the same as finding salvation in God, but I guess in your context, an indirect way?

(29 Mar '12, 00:04) DiusPius

I enjoyed this answer.

(29 Mar '12, 04:06) Paulina 1

Thank you for reading , i hope we all benifit ,

@ white tiger, iam and will always be a servant of Allah, nothing more

Say He is God One. He begets not; nor was He beggotten ,and there is none comparable to him

(31 May '12, 16:39) springflower

if you do not believe that i am telling you the truth Allah will be the first one to judge you.

(28 Jul '12, 22:39) white tiger
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God does not forgive, because to forgive you must judge first and God doesn't judge. Because to judge you cannot love unconditionally and God loves unconditionally. God loves everyone and everything unconditionally, so he lets everyone and everything believe whatever they want!

When God say believe in me, he really says believe in yourself, in everything, believe in existence, in all there is. God is not someone separate from you (that's only illusion some people create and believe), he is not even "in" you, he IS you.

When you speak of Lucifer, the bad guy, you think of God as the good guy. But that is duality. Opposite to all there is is all there is not. Heaven and hell is the creation of mind, duality concept. One people hope to go to and avoid the other. These self-created fears and prisons are real rulers of people lives. Not the governments.

Open your eyes and understand the meaning of the story of heaven and hell. It is to show you that when you choose something to be your heaven, opposite of that something will be your hell. To show you that if you live in DUALITY there will always be something to fear and something to find illusion of security and safety in.

Whatever you choose to believe and not believe does not matter. It only matters in the world of duality, but oneness does not assign any importance to either.

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answered 29 Mar '12, 03:22

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Wow! Great answer! Rocked that one, @CalonLan. Complex, confused question, simple, clear answer. I really hope this helps some people break free. Or at least, get started. :)

(28 Jul '12, 19:29) Grace

Dear DiusPius, Most people talk about God as if God were a being living somewhere in the sky. Nothing could be further from the truth. God simply is. God is all there is.

Do you believe in Life? Life exists doesnt it? If you belive in life than you already believe in God for God is life. It's as simple as that. It makes no differance by what name we call God/Life/Love for God does not change. If someone called you by a different name you would still be you. The same with God. God/Life is all there is therefore all is one and yes that includes all of us. Here is a small piece of a poem I wrote.

In every adult and every child, in every teenager running wild, I see God. In every mountain and every tree, in every lake or big blue see, I see God....

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answered 29 Mar '12, 04:34

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Oh mighty thee, I see thyself in me. ;)

(29 Mar '12, 04:48) CalonLan

I'll try to address these questions one at a time.

First question

"Why is it that God is so unforgiving to the non-believers?"

It is not the case of if God is forgiving to non-believers or not, he actually is what is the case is where the non-believers are traveling towards. They are not traveling towards God so they blame God when they don't find God this doesn't seem logical.

Example: We are in a hallway together I am located at the East end of the hallway, you are in the middle pointing West and walking West, will we meet? No we wouldn't meet, would you call that my fault if we didn't meet? No because you can see the logic here, God loves all and wants all to come to him but we are given the choices to make ourselves of whether we come to him or move away from him.

Next question:

"Why does God say, have faith in me, just believe me, use faith before your logic, even though that is what I have given you. In that effect, doesn't that impose on free will? Is an all loving being supposed to control a person mentally?"

This is not an imposition of will but a teaching of how we can use our will. It is teaching us that we are more powerful than we give ourselves credit for. That we are not only the created we are creators ourselves.

Next question:

"The anti-Christ talk is from someone I heard, I'm not sure how accurate it is. There is an anti-Christ. First that will appear before us is a fake anti-Christ, then a real anti-Christ, and then after that Christ will appear. How do we know if Christ is not the ultimate form of deception?"

This is not biblical it may be gnostic or something else. It does say the best will be wounded in the head thought dead but will come back worse.

Next question:

"I can see that submission of power can lead to peace in one aspect, but it is limited. "

You compare this to government but this is not what it means, it is not compared to the world ways but God's ways are opposite. Submission of power to God is to become more powerful than you could imagine. Think of when Obi-Wan Kenobi in "Star Wars" let Darth Vader strike him down, he said "If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you could ever imagine!"

Next Question:

"Will hell be eternal even though it hasn't existed eternally since it was born after God? Will heaven be eternal even though war has existed in the heavens at least once already?"

The eternalness of hell we can only go by what the Bible says, only God knows the full answer to this.

Next question:

"If we were to throw all away logic, the very thing God has given to us to use, and to listen to God and only God, because God works in ways we do not understand and he says it like so, isn't that the makings of the perfect soldier? The creation of even more duality of good and evil? A creation that becomes ever more disharmonious?"

It is not against logic just against present understanding which present logic is based in. Quantum physics seems to be getting closer and closer though.

Final question:

"I don't know what to believe. So here comes the paradox. Do I believe in myself, or do I believe in someone else? Or do I believe in neither, or both? But how do I do that... So Confused. So Confused."

This is not a Christian question this one seems personal, what I would say to you to find your beliefs is to get Avatar Resurfacing and do the exercises in it. This will show you what you believe and don't believe and what you can work with on what you want to believe.

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answered 28 Mar '12, 18:44

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gnostic means knowledge: Gnosticism (from gnostikos, "learned", from Greek: γνῶσις gnōsis, knowledge) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism so why did the church not include the gospel of thomas? where they afraid that people would seek and find knowledge? what is knowledge it is to discover the truth. and God is truth. Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. http://bible.cc/john/14-6.htm

(28 Mar '12, 18:59) white tiger

To my point, your first answer. Those who truly believe that they found God, not the Christian God, they believe they are walking towards God are they not? Those who believe that are condemned, I thought. We aren't merely walking in a hallway, we are walking on a planet, with all things outside that can appear to be God. Then isn't the fairest God, the God that allows ourself, meaning allselves, to turn to ourself to find God? Not the one who commands come to me or you shalt be smitten to hell.

(28 Mar '12, 19:25) DiusPius

Your second answer. You state, it is not an imposition, it is to teach how to use our will. To teach us to use our will is to impose a way to act. By creating hell, that creates fear, by creating fear, it allows for one to control. Would an all loving God control through declaring hell is forever? Or would an all loving God allow us to just feel the fear temporarily if only we so wanted to?

(28 Mar '12, 19:33) DiusPius

Continuing. We are creators ourselves. Well if we enter into infinite time of hell, an eternity. How does that allow us to be a creator at all times? Wouldn't we no longer be the creator, and only the created?

(28 Mar '12, 19:35) DiusPius

Your last answer, you state. God's ways are opposite. According to the first answer, you said that we just didn't use our logic correctly. Now, God's logic is opposite. How did you arrive at the answer that God has an opposite logic? Cause right now the logic is everywhere, thus no-logic. So why did God even give us logic?

(28 Mar '12, 19:51) DiusPius
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if i tell you that God is truth and that you are created in is image with the same potential and you are only starting your path compare to him would it not be a gift that him that as existed from the beguinning would give you some tips. i am not your master i am not your teacher you have become intoxicated from the bubling spring that i have tended.

(28 Mar '12, 19:51) white tiger
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I'm going to answer just the question you asked which is "should I be a believer or a non-believer?"

Basically you have "something" or "nothing"

Every "something" is a belief, including the idea of NOT beleiving in and idea.

On ther other hand, "nothing" is a state of mind of openness.

Noting is about being completely open minded about everything.

When you shift from "nothing" to "something" you narrow your viewpoint to a limited idea that what you believe is the only truth. (aka a narow viewpoint of the mind)

So it doesn't matter what you believe.

The moment you believe you have to defend it against everything that you don't believe.

Consequently you could choose to be open minded about everything and within that accept and reject anything and everything according to the moment.

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answered 29 Mar '12, 00:25

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be your self stay in the truth and believes in the truth. is truth logical are you not still learning about the truth. jesus said seek and you shall find, you have free will after all no one can make that choice for you. jesus never asked anny one to follow or believes a religion he said follow my example the truth will set you free.

right now did i say anny thing that was not true?

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answered 28 Mar '12, 17:11

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Well, I've been searching for the truth through what I think I know and comparing it to the reality that I live in. However, because a lot of what I know comes from what other people tell me, what I find true changes very often. I keep thinking what I know is true and then it gets broken down as I find that it doesn't match with my reality. Then there are those who messes around with the notion of reality and then I'm completely lost for the truth.

(28 Mar '12, 17:23) DiusPius

The one thing I do know is that there is a duality in the world that I live in, and that the middle path is hard to adhere to. I'm confused at what the middle path is as it is infinitely thin. I can only say that the middle path cannot be seen but can only be almost-imagined. And what I almost-imagine is what is almost-existant. The only thing I can make of is that I do exist, and that goes in hand with what I experience. But if I want to experience the truth, that brings me back in the loop.

(28 Mar '12, 17:31) DiusPius

are you not living in a duality world? do you not have 2 hands and 2 feet. you have learned those truth and are able to walk and to use your hands to do many things. is that still a duality for you or do you not know the truth about that duality?

(28 Mar '12, 17:55) white tiger
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by uniting that duality to know the all truth about it. it is in your face each day but you do not see it.

Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest." Jesus said, "I shall give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the human mind."

(28 Mar '12, 18:38) white tiger

Jesus said, "If two make peace with each other in this one house, they will say to the mountain, 'Move Away,' and it will move away."

(28 Mar '12, 18:42) white tiger

it is in your face but you do not see it. Jesus said, "Among those born of women, from Adam until John the Baptist, there is no one so superior to John the Baptist that his eyes should not be lowered (before him). Yet I have said, whichever one of you comes to be a child will be acquainted with the kingdom and will become superior to John."

(28 Mar '12, 18:43) white tiger

^ Please explain the last quote ;)

(28 Mar '12, 19:58) DiusPius

when you make the 2 in one that duality will be solved you will have acquire knowledge(truth) and move out of ego you will have become the master of the house a child that is innocent(not under ego and judgement) with knowledge then you will be able to enter the kingdom and become superior to john. in is way john was superior to anny human but he add not enter the kingdom he was not born again. he was born of water but not of spirit.

(28 Mar '12, 20:09) white tiger

listen to the movie it can help you out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBLTgFrUfkY

(28 Mar '12, 20:13) white tiger

so john was born of the water out of judgement and ego he was able to see the flow of though. he was not born of the spirit probably that at that time he could not have enuff faith to overcome fear and enter the kingdom. that is my understanding.

(28 Mar '12, 22:24) white tiger

Father, Into Your Hands I Commend My Spirit. spirit leaving the body and entering the kingdom.

(28 Mar '12, 22:30) white tiger
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Love your answer White Tiger.

(29 Mar '12, 04:13) Paulina 1
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You dont know what to believe! Thats good, your in a great place. Your not set in your ways, your open to new ideas.

HOWEVER i do see from some of your comments- particularly to Wades answer- that you really do believe.... perhaps a little more than your letting on.

But thats ok.

Lance

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