Most of the evidence I see for the "Law of Attraction" can be explained by very mundane psychological principles. See this question for example. To illustrate what I mean, think of a person that is in the deepest of depressions, without bathing or eating. Obviously if the person feels good enough to bathe and eat, this will result in an improvement in the person's life, it will open the person up to good things happening.

However on the "anti-law of attraction" side there is a similar extreme, that of being so happy that you attract bad things to you by being careless, naive, essentially deluded. Belief in the "law of attraction" in both cases would be self-delusion because the cause and effect relationship is not as described by it, even though it "apparently" seems to work in the first case. It would be like saying certain numbers win the lottery because someone once won the lottery with them and then using that theory to try and support yourself financially.

This is what drew me to Neville, the fact he tells stories that shocked my sense of a fixed, physical, objective reality. He made me consider that causation really is from within. However, there is still a sense that the stories are false or cherry-picked, that plain luck explains them.

For example, he tells the story of a man who decided to use Neville's method to win at the race tracks and won but how many men tried the same and lost? You see awareness of this problem by people saying certain things are appropriate and certain things are not. They'll say "does gambling really make you feel good?" to explain the fact you can't reliably succeed with it. Or they'll say drugs are "an artificial way of hiding feeling bad" because drug addicts are usually not successful people, even though they feel really good quite often.

How do I deal with this sense that living according to law of attraction principles is a dangerous exercise in self-delusion?

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Our world is made up of vibrations. LOA is ALWAYS in action. As for luck - see Pink Diamonds answer here

as for your comment - We vibrate our feelings ; whatever the frequency - low or high, for better or worse.

(05 Jun '13, 03:30) ele

@flowsurfer Barry brought the Luck question forward as well as a question on delusion. I put the word vibrations into the search bar & came up with 10 pages. You should take time & read those Q & A's & if you still have a question on vibrations - ask your question on those threads. Loads of good info there..

(05 Jun '13, 04:42) ele

The luck question did not answer my question. Neither does your "vibrations" comment. Let me rephrase the question: I do not see a direct cause and effect relationship between feeling good in the short term and living well in the long term. What reason do I have to believe that such a cause and effect relationship exists?

(05 Jun '13, 05:33) flowsurfer

Through your own experiences, and observations. That is the only way you can convince yourself such a cause and effect relationship exist, as what other people say would not be able to convince you much anyway. Just put the law of attraction aside for a moment and just observe the people in your life who seem to be happy all the time and just won't get angry no matter how much you try to anger them.

(05 Jun '13, 10:37) kakaboo

@kakaboo As I already said, I cannot see this cause and effect relationship either in my life or the life of others. I have looked and I just can't see it. Trust me, I want to believe this is real. Yes, sometimes feeling good helps move things along. If you are not optimistic enough to even try, you won't succeed. But that is just plain logic, it's not law of attraction. Where do I find the confidence to live my life by these principles? Because I absolutely NEED this confidence.

(05 Jun '13, 11:30) flowsurfer

@kakaboo I just realized you framed your comment in purely emotional terms. That is, your evidence for the law of attraction working is people feeling good regardless of circumstances. My interest in the law is because I felt the world was deeply malevolent, indifferent and unfriendly and I went looking for a reason to believe otherwise because I couldn't handle that.

(05 Jun '13, 11:46) flowsurfer

@kakaboo Are you saying the law of attraction only attracts emotions and not actual conditions? That is a neurological, not a metaphysical theory. If you stimulate the pleasure centers in the brain you can feel happy no matter what. That doesn't tell me how to live my life, it actually makes me deeply distrustful of my emotions.

(05 Jun '13, 11:47) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer To me, "law of attraction" is just a very general term for something that I cannot put into words right now. And I do agree that trying to live by your emotions can be really tiring sometimes and it feels like "deluding yourself". But.. if feeling happy is as easy as you say just by stimulating the pleasure centers in your brain, why don't you just do it? Just try it for 2-3 months, a week, or even a day.

(05 Jun '13, 12:37) kakaboo

If it doesn't help at all, then fine - just conclude the law of attraction doesn't exist and we are all delusional. At least you would have gotten something out of it yourself rather than seeking opinions of others. Having been on this site for a while, you can see that the questions I ask start to dwindle down exponentially after a while - because I have realized that metaphysical questions sometimes cannot be answered in words, as it is not straightforward like science or maths.

(05 Jun '13, 12:40) kakaboo

Maybe this would help you a little: the main reason why I believe even in the law slightly is that I don believe coincidences really exist in this world. For instance if you see a long lost friend on a particular train cabin at a particular time, there are just too much factors involved for it to be just "luck"

(05 Jun '13, 12:43) kakaboo

@kakaboo Why don't I just do it? For starters, because I don't have enough money to take a hit of crack cocaine every 15 minutes for three whole months.

(05 Jun '13, 13:24) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer my "vibrations" comment was in reply to the comment you deleted. As for "I do not see a direct cause and effect relationship between feeling good in the short term and living well in the long term." That's ok - I prefer to live in the present. "What reason do I have to believe that such a cause and effect relationship exists?" Now is all there is .

This link may help answer your original question:

(05 Jun '13, 17:06) ele

@flowsurfer as me n u talked about , it is ALL about our own belefs, and our own perception, people do not have to beleve in the law of attraction and "see" how it works in their lives, and people who do beleve in it can not "see" how it works. All truths r relitive,

(05 Jun '13, 17:56) TReb Bor yit-NE

@flowsurfer then it just means that being happy is not as easy as you said it should have been. I have no other comments for you , good luck

(05 Jun '13, 20:25) kakaboo
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How do you eliminate doubt that the law of attraction is not self-delusion? - You do it only through your own life experience. This thing is hard to prove to others so if you constantly seek answers from others when you in your mind are alwasy looking for something to disprove it, then according to LOA you will keep finding those anamolies and say to yourself - see i told you it does not work.

So i suggest to you that for a period of like 60 days don't say anything negative about this does not work, that does not work. Force yourself to only see gratitude in everythign you have. Remove your doubts and don't talk about it. Just pretend. Then judge what happens. YOu need to monitor thoughts and feelings and do your best to shift them. Sometimes you cant avoid some negative feelings, then its ok. But don't indulge in them and write about it and talk about it even inside your head.

I really challenge you to do something like that!! i have seen you and regularly post about things where you see holes and you need to stop doing that. I do respect that you are honest about it. So i am not arguing that part. But you need to also do something about it and it ok to pretend. Because when you see a change then you may have a renewed belief. Just find something you sort of love doing and get fixed on that instead for a good period of time. Dancing, music any hobby that you have.

that will clear your current thought patterns and move you to different one. And yes since you have strongly accumulated your current thoughts you need to something for some solid period of 30-60 days to shift out your patterns. Thats why most workout programs or change of habit pattern exercises have these 21 days, 30 days or 60 days daily exercise to shift the old patterns. Dont say i tried and it didnt work. Just do it again with renewed vigor.

How do I deal with this sense that living according to law of attraction principles is a dangerous exercise in self-delusion?

The part about delusion here is some people think Law of attraction means you just wait around for the result to come and do nothing about it. Yes its true, but if your dominant vibration is "ok i am shifting my vibration and i am waiting on it and there is no need of action" then waiting is what you get. But if you be easy and also follow your own natural inspirations and joy where ever that leads to then you go with the flow of those and that also could involve action and not forced one.

So some people just use only action and dont know about vibrations and have lot of -ve baggage then that action prevents you getting results since your dominant vibration has doubts. Then to the other extreme some people don't take any action and want to only do thought work but even in that the vibration is mixed. I think you mean this second kind end up living in a delusion sort of. And thats what you are fearing here i think. i am only generalizing and there lot of people who have great successes and fullfillment but doing just action or by doing just thought work but i was giving example of cases where there is no alignment.

But if you use both your thoughts everyday to feel grateful and loving and non judgemental and at the same time follow your natural inspiration then you would be doing lot of things but in great flow where its not hard work at all. and you wont feel delusional.

As to your specific things like a lottery. While i believe it can be done, for me its worked great just being general. I attract lot of cool stuff in my life and everyday i have been usually in great flow with small hiccups here and there once a while but overall i have not gotten too specific but i dont care since life has been an amazing adventure right now and i am living with passion and let whatever things come to me.


answered 05 Jun '13, 13:56

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I don't see any way to do anything that I sort of love doing. When I read that suggestion at first I had a spike of anger and I almost threw the mouse and then a glass at the wall. I restrained myself and then I felt a stab of sadness. I don't know what to do and the things that I try don't make me feel good, though they sometimes distract me for a short while from painful feelings.

(05 Jun '13, 14:36) flowsurfer

but what do you sort of like? You dont need to like anything too much.. even very little interest is good... u said you liked modelling.. how about for now you learn some dancing? because dancing can be good addition if you model in future... or did you ever want to sing or play instrument...

(05 Jun '13, 14:50) abrahamloa

your interest in it need not be strong... just something a little bit that you sort of wanted to do... i started dancing that way... i was always into sports and felt like a robot.. had doubts.. but somehow started liking and then i am really really into it ... if you have even a small hobby on the side it can really improve your vibrations quite a bit...

(05 Jun '13, 14:50) abrahamloa

Abraham hicks was not kidding when she said 1 hobby could change your whole life.. yes initially even i used dance to distract from my downward spiralling thoughts... but a hobby is good since it can keep you distracted for long time since its creative art fields have so much depth as you keep on learning...

(05 Jun '13, 14:56) abrahamloa

you can easily practice at home so at any time you can distract yourself from -ve thoughts by being focused on the hobby.. thats what i did too ... in the beginining it was more and more to distract thoughts but later i fell in love with my hobby.

(05 Jun '13, 15:04) abrahamloa

I can't think of anything I "sort of like doing" that I would be able and willing to immerse myself in. I have tried things but they become meaningless and worthless to me or they will make me feel so good that I catch a glimpse of the gap between what I want and what I have, which hurts a lot. Or they will make me aware of the gap without even making me feel good first.

(05 Jun '13, 15:05) flowsurfer

So i know exactly what you are talking about.. since those downward spiral thoughts dont give you a break.... its like you have to work your ass off and suddenly you are plunged into those dark thoughts.. so please know i do understand to some level and relate to what you say.

(05 Jun '13, 15:06) abrahamloa

holy cow! did you say it made you feel good! lol.. sorry that made me laugh in a good way... then just pursue that for fun.. dont have expectations... you dont need to say - i want to immerse in it... .. and using as distraction is perfect... Cmon you can do it..

(05 Jun '13, 15:12) abrahamloa

There are a few things I have done that practically take control of my mind, like for example playing certain computer games. I had to struggle multiple times to free my mind from the compulsion to think about the games. They were very effective in that sense but they didn't make my life better and I didn't like the person they were turning me into.

(05 Jun '13, 15:15) flowsurfer

@abrahamloa Ok, what I meant was something like this. I start watching a movie. While I am absorbed in the movie it leads me into remembering certain feelings. Then I remember I am a spectator, I'm not the characters. What I feel then is sort of like envy; I get a feeling of loss and inferiority because I'm being shown something I want which I can't have.

(05 Jun '13, 15:24) flowsurfer

There are so many nuances to what I go through that I just have to give up trying to explain them. The bottom line here is that I honestly don't know how to do anything that interests me. I can't keep the painful thoughts under control for very long.

(05 Jun '13, 15:35) flowsurfer

This is all meaningless talk. What I want, what I care about now is growing taller. To see continual progress in this area towards my target height is the only thing that can give me joy right now. This is the only thing that can fill my heart with love. You people don't understand. I cannot do anything else because I cannot live without this because life is meaningless to me without this. I can't just "try something easier", this is foundational. The dynamics in my mind don't work that way.

(05 Jun '13, 16:00) flowsurfer

I think the only reason I'm posting here is because it hurts too much to see that I'm not making progress and to realize I don't know what to do different and I'm not having any luck figuring it out. I'm looking for anything at all to distract me from that and right now IQ is it. I don't think it's helping.

(05 Jun '13, 16:06) flowsurfer

Even for growing taller we already discussed you could use operation to get taller. But then you said you dont have money and that does not interest you. So the point is there are solutions and instead of making progress you seem to hang on to your stories. And of course you can if you want, but since you dont like pain its better to alleviate pain. Thats all.

(05 Jun '13, 16:24) abrahamloa

Why don't you consistently work on making more money then since you know for sure you can use money to get taller? If you do you will have money for the surgery. Then you get taller.

(05 Jun '13, 16:25) abrahamloa

in the beginning i also had lot of doubts.. should i trust what they are saying.. how come things worked sometimes and not others but i dont say much vibration difference etc... so i understand your questioning... but in the end there are 1000s of great spiritual masters and 1000s of great new age philosophers telling us how to lead our life... at some point even logically i figured out this must be the truth.

(05 Jun '13, 17:01) abrahamloa

There are also lot of people on this website including the great Stringray who have said that these are true enough that it changed our lives. So please follow these knowledge and alleviate your suffering and pain. The solution is there - can you follow it with some patience??

(05 Jun '13, 17:01) abrahamloa

You can be obsessed about your height and bring yourself down but its better you listen to all the Masters and be easy with that.. happiness has nothing to do with your height or you becoming a model.. while those can still happen and you have every right to pursue it and do so in easy fun manner.. but its better to be more open as the Masters will advice us. Stop being adamant about what you know and listen to Masters.

(05 Jun '13, 17:04) abrahamloa

the logic i used was this. Scientists have proved that Earth moves at 300000 km per hr. And rotates at 3000 km/hr. Also that the earth rotates around the Sun. but can you say that you feel the truth in this?? i certainly dont. For me earth is stationary and sun seems to around the Earth. Tomorrow if all scientists die and a guy from 2000 yrs back comes here can you convince him that this is the truth?? you cannot. He will keep on saying thats bullshit and earth is not moving.

(05 Jun '13, 17:40) abrahamloa

same way there are 1000s of spiritual masters and new age philosophers telling us that whats outside is reflective of whats inside us. Now you cannot prove that too since you keep pointing to whats going on outside and keep arguing. So same way its better have faith in the Spiritual and New age masters and give them a fair chance instead of lamenting about our situation.

(05 Jun '13, 17:42) abrahamloa

Happiness for me has everything to do with height because this has meaning to me. It has metaphysical significance. Doing the surgery, even if I could somehow get enough money for it right this second, would not fulfill my desire. It would require a particularly ruthless doctor willing to go beyond the "safe limits" and two surgeries separated by several years. The result is that I'll be at my target height in my 30s but with a clearly deformed, unbalanced body. Assuming no complications.

(06 Jun '13, 05:04) flowsurfer

So it would be a heart breaking example of futile struggling, which I am tired of.

(06 Jun '13, 05:05) flowsurfer

But there is also the other issue which is that I want to become a model so I can earn money as a model. I don't want to become a model in order to do "modeling". Modeling is just the price I'm willing to pay to earn money and have something to say when people ask me what do I do. I cannot spend a few years doing something else in order to get the money for surgery, even if the surgery would enable me to become a model, which it won't. I want to be a model now, today, not once I can afford it.

(06 Jun '13, 05:17) flowsurfer

I feel trapped by life. These surgeries are not cheap. Even if I go to China or India to do them in a roach infested hospital, it still costs tens of thousands of dollars which to me is a fortune. Doing them in a good hospital costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. Following this path is impractical in every conceivable way. Which is why I'm not following this path. It would be a difficult struggle that ends up being completely futile even if I win.

(06 Jun '13, 05:34) flowsurfer

Height to me matters precisely because of the above question. I don't want to struggle through life anymore. I also don't want to settle. I want a life of ease and abundance, of genuine freedom. The things people tell me, and which I myself sometimes tell me, take this whole "law of attraction" thing not as a cause but as a type of make-up. You use it so you can handle the struggle or change your values. It's just an emotional management technique. That's not enough for me. I want God.

(06 Jun '13, 05:49) flowsurfer

I post a lot now. But I went through years of not talking about this stuff with anybody AT ALL. I didn't even read books on the subject I simply implicitly believed in its truth. I'm asking questions to compare notes, to find out where I went wrong because I don't want to give up on it.

(06 Jun '13, 05:59) flowsurfer

Even being a model today is not really what I want. What I want is to be a model ten years ago. To have lived a completely different life. I'm already more than a decade late and there is no technique to turn back time or become younger. I don't know if there is any point to living anymore.

(06 Jun '13, 07:03) flowsurfer

I understand that you are locked into this whole going to back to 10 yrs thing... your problem is similar to so many who are stuck and dont want to move on... like a mother losing a child and does not want to live life, a divorce where 1 spouse does not want it but think their life is over, etc etc

(06 Jun '13, 13:54) abrahamloa

But people like these have come out of it stronger so many times and have said later that now they live their life to the greatest passion and joy and that those struggles were actually gifts for them to grow and be better.

(06 Jun '13, 13:54) abrahamloa

These are some good questions you can ask yourself: what do you say about the Earth moving at 300000 miles per hours? Do you agree there are 1000s of things we dont know much about? Do you admit there is possibility you could be very wrong in being persistent in your own specific thoughts and there are other ways to look that can transform your life for the better?

(06 Jun '13, 13:54) abrahamloa

Do you really think so many great spiritual masters advice is bullshit when its working for millions if they follow it? these are good questions to ask yourself.

(06 Jun '13, 13:54) abrahamloa

Movement is a relative measurement of the change in distance between two points. The earth is moving at many different speeds, including zero, depending on your point of reference. Neither of these speeds concern me since relative to us, the earth IS stationary and I'm not interested in being an astronaut. Yes, there are many things I don't know much about. I'm not sure what you asking in the third question. I don't think the advice of "spiritual masters" is working for millions of people.

(06 Jun '13, 16:23) flowsurfer

I don't believe growing older is making me a better person in any way, at all, and I don't believe my life will be better as a consequence of aging. There is really nothing you can ever say to me that will convince me of this. Most people who lose a son or daughter never fully recover from this; they may learn to cope but they are most certainly no happier as a consequence of the loss. I don't know a single person who is happy that their bodies have aged beyond their 20s or 30s.

(06 Jun '13, 16:28) flowsurfer

I can handle being in 2013, though I would much rather be in 2001. What I can't handle is looking at my body and seeing what used to be youthful skin filled with scars. It's looking at my height and remembering my growth plates have fused. It's looking at my scalp and seeing a balding head. And knowing that is just the beginning of the process of turning into a corpse. Don't waste your time telling how those things will make me a better person. These things will drive me to suicide.

(06 Jun '13, 16:46) flowsurfer

yes but they dont sit all their life brooding over something that happened. I understand its ok to grieve a little but then you have to move on. When you do your part, then the DIvine will also help you out. Also you are wrong - i am 42 and right now at the best of my life. So thats your perspective that beyond 20 and 30s you wont happy. If you keep thinking that you will inherit that.

(06 Jun '13, 16:46) abrahamloa

You have been excellent and beyond amazing at focusing on what does not work. If you just turn it around and keep this same zeal then you will be transformed and you will be at an unbelievable place of happiness joy and passion. i know you can get there and trust me you will. YOu just have to develop patience - just say for this whole 2013 i will just apply the tools and no matter i die will stick to it. Try that.

(06 Jun '13, 16:51) abrahamloa

Paramahansa Yogananda said - once you make up your mind on a goal its better to die struggling. And also renew the fight in the next life. Now thats being persistent and calling on Law of attraction like a lazer beam. If you say you will turnaround your life no matter what and find your passion and joy even though right now you dont know how except the tools that have been give in this site and from other books, then nothing will stop you. Nothing.

(06 Jun '13, 16:54) abrahamloa

When you apply your will and know the power then there will be no more questions to be asked. you will know everything.

(06 Jun '13, 16:54) abrahamloa

You only have to move on if you are too afraid to die. I am afraid but I honestly don't think I'm afraid enough. I didn't think I would be able to handle this far. I did but I don't think the last few years of my life were worth living at all. I don't see real hope of the next ones being any better. I used to be able to actually feel that there was a point in living. I haven't felt that in a while. Now I'm just living out of habit, out of being too lazy and scared to find a way to die.

(06 Jun '13, 17:06) flowsurfer

I can't keep talking because it's clear all I'll hear is "learn to cope with the loss of your youth" or "learn to cope with being short" which is like twisting the knife lodged in my heart. I don't want to talk anymore. Maybe Nikulas will have better luck with his manifestation than I have had with mine.

(06 Jun '13, 17:16) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer ok baby steps - smile before you can laugh..

(06 Jun '13, 17:24) ele

When you say "find your passion and joy" what I hear is "want something else". It makes me angry.

(06 Jun '13, 17:28) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer I'm glad to hear it. It's about time you feel anger. It means you are moving on up!

(06 Jun '13, 17:35) ele

dont worry you dont need to do anything. Universe will later take care of you organically and naturally w/o you feeling forced in any way... as Nikulas said we will put a nice beautiful great wonderful life for you much much more than what you wanted in our intention for manifestation in the very near future.

(06 Jun '13, 18:03) abrahamloa
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This doesn't answer your question you have posted.

Take 3 months off IQ and all metaphysical studies and come back.

You are way too vibrationally apart from even the possibility that there is a solution to all of your problems.

I am going to put into my manifesting box to see a positive change in you some time. It doesn't matter if the Law of Attraction is self delusion or not because I am going to see that in you in the future. This is my manifestation, not yours, and it's to see you reach light again.


answered 06 Jun '13, 09:10

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I appreciate this.

(06 Jun '13, 09:27) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer- I confidently speak for all when I say, we all appreciate you.

(06 Jun '13, 09:34) Nikulas

Serious question @Nikulas. Take 3 months off IQ and all metaphysical studies. To do what?

(12 Jun '13, 19:23) flowsurfer
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What you resist persists so trying to eliminate the doubt will only strengthen it.

The only way to see if anything works is to consciously put it into practice and test it for yourself, then you'll have all the proof you need. The law of attraction is always at work whether you're aware of it or not, so we can choose to stay ignorant to what we're attracting or to be an active participant in what life presents us with.

Doubt itself can be a great motivator forcing us to go deeper within to find the answers that truly resonate with us. There are many paths to the Truth and for each the Way will pertain to what one's current state of awareness allows them to accept :-)


answered 06 Jun '13, 21:22

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There is an old quote siad to have come from a native american
alt text and here is a little video from a life coach with some more information and tips
So flowsurfer which wolf are you feeding?


answered 07 Jun '13, 03:23

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here is a link to Dieter Pauwels youtube channel

(07 Jun '13, 03:25) ursixx

Again with the whole purely emotional focus. If the law of attraction is purely emotional, it's worthless. I might as well just become a drug addict.

(07 Jun '13, 05:52) flowsurfer

@ursixx - i loved the cherokee story! very apt. Evil wolf will try to question and create doubts that feeding the Good wolf may not work. That things may not turn out the way you want anyway etc.. Once you feed the good wolf consistently everything turns out good and the evil wolf will be caged forever.

(07 Jun '13, 13:19) abrahamloa

It is funny that you would give this answer. I thought I could choose love and I tried to live by it. I thought I could let go of the pain and hatred and be the man I wanted to be, without fear or any feeling of being victimized. I thought love had power and I could let go of past hurts, that I didn't have to fight the world. I thought I didn't have to hate. Maybe I was wrong; maybe hatred is the most fundamental and important emotion there is. Maybe love is just the drug of the slave.

(07 Jun '13, 13:30) flowsurfer

Hatred may not give me what I want but if love won't do it either, if love is just an illusion, what's the point in choosing love? I'm not going to work like a slave while those that pillage the wealth of the world go around in their private jets. I rather pillage.

(07 Jun '13, 13:33) flowsurfer

I want love's power to be true. To be more than just a drug. Hatred is a drug too. If I have to choose between these two drugs I rather choose hatred. But I don't want it to be a choice between drugs. I don't want to believe that love is powerless. I don't know what to do.

(07 Jun '13, 13:44) flowsurfer

Things will happen in Divine timing. Maybe right now it still is not the right time for you. Right now the Evil wolf has taken you over so much that you dont see the Good wolf and good things. As they say for a non-believer no amount evidence is enough. they will still choose to see what they see. But i do honor you for everything because i would not believe in something blindly either.

(07 Jun '13, 14:55) abrahamloa

If i were in your shoes i would do the same thing like you too till only i know for myself whats the right way to follow. Keep searching different ways. Its good to also go hatred way and learn what happens with that too.

(07 Jun '13, 14:55) abrahamloa

even i learnt things only in despair. When life was hard every single day every single moment when i did not knwo what to do . i somehow fell into this new way to Love everything, be non-judgemental, being patient, being silent to get answers. And it worked. How do i know? because everythign now is peaceful and easy. Even when i worked out hard it was easy, it was strange.

(07 Jun '13, 14:58) abrahamloa

I alwasy used to work hard beating myself up. Or always looking for results. Now its different. Its easy, fun and i dont even care of results. But they come in different beautiful ways. ONly then i realized - F**K these spiritual masters are not kidding. What i thought was ridiculous logic is apparently working. how can u just meditate and be easy and problem get solved. Did not make 1 ounce of logic to me. It baffled me and thought fools would follow that logic. BUt i was proved wrong.

(07 Jun '13, 14:58) abrahamloa

frankly i did not have a choice. Since i exhausted my mind of any other solution. And thats when i gave this a real try. And i said ok i lived 40 yrs, let me give this 6 months. I will not doubt and give it a try and see what happens. After 6 months i can go back to my other normal ways.

(07 Jun '13, 15:03) abrahamloa

also its not like everything clicked in 1 time. I started using these new gratitude, follow your joy, distract yourself kind of stuff slow by slow... i would work 1 hr then back to my old ways.. then slowly over month i was better for few hrs and then back into darkness for hours... so it kept going back and forth.. and then eventually i was having better days a little more frequently.. etc... things happened but i would doubt it... but slolwy i could see the value of the teachings..

(07 Jun '13, 15:06) abrahamloa

@abrahamloa ^baby-steps^

(08 Jun '13, 01:12) ursixx

"author unknown" ? It's based on a famous quote by George Bernard Shaw

"A Native American elder once described his own inner struggles in this manner: Inside of me there are two dogs. One of the dogs is mean and evil. The other dog is good. The mean dog fights the good dog all the time. When asked which dog wins, he reflected for a moment and replied, The one I feed the most." ― George Bernard Shaw

(08 Nov '15, 20:49) ele
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I overcame my doubt by examining everything that I had manifested in my life so far. Including the bad parts. Especially the bad parts. Once I really examined my beliefs and thoughts and saw how my outer reality was influenced by them, I started "getting" it. And, once I started to really work on changing my beliefs, and saw my outer reality responding to that, there was no doubt left.

Reading theories and success stories also helped a lot. But first and foremost you need to know yourself, and know how you have shaped your reality up until this point.


answered 12 Jun '13, 09:22

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Flowsurfer, you said: "I do not see a direct cause and effect relationship between feeling good in the short term and living well in the long term. What reason do I have to believe that such a cause and effect relationship exists?"

There is no such thing as the long-term or the future. It is a non-existent product of our imagination - a trick. There is only the now. The now is the only thing it is possible for us to experience.

If you can see that to live well means to be feeling happy, as no material gain or any type of gain could be called 'living well' if one is unhappy. And if someone is happy but possesses nothing, then this could be described as living well.

So if we follow the law of attraction and always feel good in the now by deliberately cultivating good-feeling thoughts, then by using rational thinking you can work out that even an imagined future did exist outside of the now, when it arrives it will look, feel and be exactly like the now. As you are always feeling good in the now, then you will also feel good in the perceived future - so to have a future where you are not living well is an impossibility.

Is this a cause and effect relationship you can accept?


answered 12 Jun '13, 12:19

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No, it is not.

(12 Jun '13, 18:05) flowsurfer

Like your answer.

(10 Nov '15, 07:06) Inner Beauty

Look at success stories. Research the science behind the law of attraction (Dr Emoto water-rice experiment, Dr. Emoto water crystal experiment). Thoughts have a physical effect on reality. This is true.


answered 06 Jun '13, 14:16

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Don't try to eliminate doubt. Don't try to feel good. Just accept that this is where you are at.
You may not like it, but you can accept it. You will move beyond doubt and you will feel better when you are ready.

Change is the only constant...


answered 09 Dec '15, 06:16

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