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Depending on our current perspective we talk about reality as being: physical, illusion, a dream state, a matrix or a hologram etcetera. I see reality as any and all of these. And through observation, belief and agreement we can define reality as any one of those labels, but in reality what is real? In other words, absent belief and agreements is there something that's real and can it be defined? |
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Great question Eddie. "absent beliefs and agreements, is there something that's real and can be defined?" There are many definitions for the word real - for the general consensus it means something that physically exists or can be scientifically proven, so the average human mind would agree that there are many things that are real. ** However, to define real beyond beliefs and agreements, I'd say we have to actually go to the source of creation. So real is not anything that can be defined by the human mind, but is the essence of who we are and can only be experienced and truly defined by that connection to source. Yes, your last paragraph is an excellent observation and is probably as close as we can come to understanding this. I use the word love synonymously with Real being careful never to define it as it's forever changing :)
(15 Feb '11, 02:15)
Eddie
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Reality is a creation. And that creation is relative to the creator. The minute you try to define it, it becomes something else. |
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Nice Eddie, From what my silly mind can tell, only what is in our mind that is observed by the self can be real to the observer. Everything else so far we have a general consensus and agreements as to what is. Democratically speaking we "have" a reality that HUMANS agree on. But nothing that can be ultimately proven. IMO Michael Edit/addendum Still pondering this query, this came to mind. Ultimately, nothing really matters except what matters to you at this very moment. Is there something that's Real beyond the truth of your observation?
(15 Feb '11, 02:05)
Eddie
Unequivocally NO.
(15 Feb '11, 02:35)
jim 10
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on relative reality/ truth, And if we replace 'yearning' and 'search' with excitement and inquiry, is there something that's Real?
(15 Feb '11, 02:07)
Eddie
what we experience is real to us and developes our individualty, thus with greater perception/s, if you choose to incorporate it, what is the proper ratio of character to excitement. relative to each one of us and therefore the whole, what am i, real or illusion
(16 Feb '11, 00:27)
fred
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"Perception is reality". Someone said that to me 15 years ago and i hadnt a clue what it meant. The more i go on in life the more sense it makes. Graham Yes, reality is whatever one perceives in this moment, but is there something that's Real and can Real be defined?
(15 Feb '11, 02:01)
Eddie
Yes Eddie there is...its what you perceive as real..and i think it changes in proportion to what the beholder perceives as real at any given time.In fact your sort of right Eddie, real cant REALLY be defined.Or at least it isnt as cut and dried as we would think.
(15 Feb '11, 13:16)
Monty Riviera
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Cogito, ergo sum - Rene Descartes (1596-1650), namely 'I think,therefore I am'. Thinking is the first indubitable truth and the proof of being. Thinking need compulsory a thinker 'substance', with or without repose mass.Toward starts the relativity of human reality. But beginning from I think consciously, the thinker can reconstitute through knowledge (logic & intuitive), getting over step by step on inverse sense, the way of Creation and its evolutionary development and diversification, to the Creator Mental. There, the seeker human shall be discovering the absolute, primordial truth. Not to be disappointed and demobilizated if the searching way will last many lives. When I do not think I still "am" so I find Descartes statement false.
(15 Feb '11, 02:37)
jim 10
And a great answer.
(15 Feb '11, 02:39)
jim 10
I used to think this way...until i read Tolle. Now im not so sure.
(16 Feb '11, 12:00)
Monty Riviera
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real is the truth! many truth can exist in the absolute truth! |
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