Ive read a few posts on meditation and have been reading a little of Tolles work which incorporates meditation.
I would like to know how you describe meditation.what do you think it is,what does it consist of and how do you do it.
Also what do you believe have been the benefits ,if any, to you.
asked 11 Apr '11, 16:07
Barry Allen ♦♦
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To my knowledge, there a number of different types of meditation and the difference between them is the intent of the meditator.
I think, generally, what most people understand by meditation is a ceasing of thought. By attempting to stop thought, this stops all resistant thought as well and allows you to re-experience your natural "state of being".
Abraham describe the effect of resistant thought as being similar to a cork being held underwater. When you meditate with the intention of stopping all thought (which includes the resistant thoughts), the cork immediately bobs back to the surface of the water.
I've previously posted Abraham's description of meditation and how to do it effectively. It is extremely clear and well worth reading... Abraham On Meditation
An interesting point regarding meditation is that because meditation stops all thought (including good-feeling thoughts), it is actually a less effective process than appreciation, which simply focuses you onto positive thoughts exclusively.
So, appreciation as a way to re-align is actually a more efficient and effective process than meditation. I think that often surprises people when they hear it for the first time.
I've explained this last idea in a bit more detail here: What are great ways to raise my vibrational frequency?
Here is an Abraham quote that has helped me in the past when I was wondering what the balance should be between meditating and appreciating etc:
So Abraham's view (and mine also, based on my own experiences) is that meditation is much less important than appreciation.
answered 11 Apr '11, 18:11
Thanks for the links Stingray,i will look into them.I think appreciation for me is an easier thing to slip into than ceasing all thought,even for a short while.Ive tried this type of meditation but im just not comfortable with it.Im good at directing my thought,but terrible at stopping it.
(11 Apr '11, 18:37) Monty Riviera
@Graham - it's not surprising because stopping thought is not why we focus on this physical plane...it's more natural to appreciate. Abraham have said (jokingly) that "you did not come forth to put your brain on pause" :)
(11 Apr '11, 19:17) Stingray
Nice way of putting it. Ive always been a little non plussed at some people who revel into ceasing thought.I like thought,its pleasent and enjoyable.I get so much pleasure thinking about manifestation quite apart from the physical appearance.To not think seems to me to be a waste of our time here.
(12 Apr '11, 09:48) Monty Riviera
@ Stingray: Would there be any significant incremental benefit of practicing the Abraham's Getting into the Vortex Meditation along with the Lifeflow Meditation. And how about practicing only one of these in a day? I guess both have their own benefits, hence which one to let go and which one to continue. I have tried all 3 scenarios in the past few months but am not sure which one to stick to. Need your advice. Thank you so much. :)
(12 Apr '11, 15:16) Sourabh
@Sourabh - How about asking this as a new question? I think my viewpoint on this might be different to some others here but it won't do you any harm to hear some other points of view :)
(12 Apr '11, 17:20) Stingray
I have looked at humans kind of like plants. One type of organism that are classified. All plants need light, water, carbon dioxide. They are all plants yet need different ratios of each nourishment. Some need more light than water and vice versa with every thing in between. Same with us humans but we have a few more needs than plants, more than anything spiritual needs. To put all ratios equal to all humans would not be realistic.There are popular ratios and methods that work for most and some have to do some more fine tuning. Should it not be our duty to at least explore all other methods?
(12 Apr '11, 17:47) you
@sam drucker, that is a awsome way to see it, unfortunatly , some still dont see the importance of the spiritual NEEDS of theior soul
(13 Apr '11, 01:01) TReb Bor yit-NE
@ Sam Drucker: I loved the way you put it across. I get the point. One can only understand the needs of one's soul after having experimented various processes and methods. Thank you :)
(13 Apr '11, 05:33) Sourabh
@Stingray Excellent quote. I've framed it on the wall now, although i'm testing new ideas so priorities of those different parts change often. It is a good reminder. Thanks.
(31 Jan '13, 17:08) releaser99
@Stingray - this question may a bit old but I was just wondering - if one still cant manage rampage of appreciations well, would keeping a simple gratitude list actually be more effective than focus blocks or meditation ?
(27 Jun '13, 11:23) kakaboo
@kakaboo - Different processes are effective at different points on the vibrational/emotional scale. Trying to appreciate when you are out of range of the Vortex is going to feel annoying to you. That's why it's necessary to have "step-up processes" like Focus Blocks. See Should appreciation be forced? and How do I do the Positive Aspects method after ME4?
(27 Jun '13, 12:25) Stingray
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Meditation is to be aware of every thought and of every feeling, never to say it is right or wrong but just to watch it and move with it. In that watching you begin to understand the whole movement of thought and feeling. And out of this awareness comes silence. ~~From Krishnamurti on meditation. Krishnamurti on Meditation link.
I find this passage very helpful on explaining meditation.
answered 11 Apr '11, 20:30
According to this study, "focused attention" meditation done simply by attending to the breath and letting go of distracting thoughts and emotions, can be more effective than even morphine in reducing pain.
answered 11 Apr '11, 22:20
doesnt some people do meditation to get in touch with their emotions? i do not but i have heard many people useing it for this reason only?
(11 Apr '11, 23:08) TReb Bor yit-NE
you are correct in the fact it is better than any "drug: for pain, you can teach yourself to flood the opiate receptors in your brain by doin certian meditations
(11 Apr '11, 23:15) TReb Bor yit-NE
I'm surprised that the only thing someone would want to meditate for is to "get in touch with their emotions." I have not heard of this before. Emotions do inspire me towards meditation, though. When experiencing an intense emotion I sometimes practice a pre-programmed meditation (such as watching my breath or meditating on the emptiness of all experiences) in order to broaden my view of the situation.
(13 Apr '11, 06:48) Hu Re
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Meditation consists of three things. It is the using the body's energy through your brow chakra (third eye on the forehead).
answered 11 Apr '11, 19:18
TReb Bor yit-NE
"it is just as individual to a person (concerning techniques) as everything else"... this is true. I disagree with the objectives you list. I think there are many objectives given with the many different meditation styles. There are many "right" ways to meditate that have nothing to do with the third eye or blocking the worldly senses.
(11 Apr '11, 22:17) Hu Re
"... if in seeking something fundamental, such as what is truth, pleasure is the measure, you have already projected what that experience will be and therefore it is no longer valid." -Krishnamurti
I think if you are seeking any particular experience, you are limiting yourself to a very small portion of what could possibly happen in that time.
(11 Apr '11, 22:31) Hu Re
"Everything affirmed contains its own opposite, and effort to overcome strengthens that against which it strives. When you demand an experience of truth or reality, that very demand is born out of your discontent with what is, and therefore the demand creates the opposite." -Krishnamurti
(11 Apr '11, 22:32) Hu Re
Seeking to connect to your higher self only affirms that you are not already connected.
(11 Apr '11, 22:36) Hu Re
well you connect to ur higer self every day it is the ability to understand the messge that makes u "connected: akll teh "gut fellings" and instints are coonection so im not quite sur how u see that you are not if you are trying to to do it better????????
(11 Apr '11, 23:06) TReb Bor yit-NE
yes you are correct there are many difrant kinds but all consiessness awareness comes from the third eye weather we try or not, and i do belive all of the meditation , regardless of style or tecnique is truly an awarness of your consieness, i might have not only limited it to those three but allowed room for more because you are correct that all of thes do not directly aply to all"types" thank you for pointing this out, love n light
(11 Apr '11, 23:13) TReb Bor yit-NE
to explain this in a difrant veiw, we are all connected to our higher self and meditation is a consiess effort to hear the connection better,,, we are al conected to it all of the time, it speaks louder in some than others, i know myheart used to only feel hate n i finaly heard myne talk, guess you can spin words around to make anything be true or false but this is the meaning of the previous statements
(11 Apr '11, 23:33) TReb Bor yit-NE
ty ursixx on the edit help love n light, we need to talk soon, say hello to the family for me please love m light
(12 Apr '11, 23:45) TReb Bor yit-NE
meditation is to master all the body(physical mind and awareness) to stay aware and transcend! i can tell you what meditation is not! using imagination to day dream by creating image and scenario in your mind!even if doing that is using your mind it is not clearing it of ignorance!
(12 May '11, 06:52) white tiger
@ white tiger i understand wehat u mean ,, BUT points were taken from this question from em because we all do meditate diffrently and not all mediataions involve bloking out the world to reach ur inner self,, that is right,, just as many people do use meditation for mannifesting things liek u say immagination,, it can be usefull for some to try to visualize things they are trying to attract ,, medditation is JUST as personal as our own diffrenmt personalitys,, everyone has diffrent ways and NONE are wrong !!! love n light
(13 May '11, 11:40) TReb Bor yit-NE
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for me meditation is to master the body the mind and the hearth(because though and emotion are link together in the turmoil of the mind)(dhyana) once that is done you can leave the body and go to god!meaning being enlighten!(samadhi nirvana)
hope this video helped you to understand what kind of things one see when he is enlighten!
answered 24 Apr '11, 09:14
Just a thought about meditation ... apart from what has already been said here is a quote that i enjoy
"I would like to give you two things: Roots into this earth and wings to find heaven.Meditation is the earth, it is simply being here now. This very moment you can spread your roots deep, do it! Once the roots are there, your wings will automatically reach into the highest possible sky. Compassion is the sky, meditation is the earth, and when meditation and compassion meet, a Buddha is born." - Osho
answered 08 Mar '12, 00:06
(08 Mar '12, 02:58) ele
Mindfulness Meditation is one of the most popular forms of meditation. It's purpose is to bring us into relationship with all the contents of mind - thoughts, memories, emotions - without becoming caught-up in the contents, without becoming reactive, without creating suffering.
"Meditation is a journey towards spiritual and psychological freedom and this freedom becomes the source of skillful outward action of body, speech and mind." - THE PATH OF MINDFULNESS MEDITATION, by Dr Peter Strong.
answered 02 May '11, 18:23
Barry Allen ♦♦
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Investigation into this whole question is meditation :)
Thats an intersting slant on thisHuRe.To me meditation isnt just emptying the mind of thought. It can be concentrating intently on one particular subject.Which is in fact what we do when we study something.Good point.
Fully agree - Mindful meditation can be as effective as mindless meditation :)