In the original Star Wars (for those of us young enough to remember), Obi Wan Kenobi said
Is this how the collective (or universal) consciousness works, or is it something else?
asked 14 Nov '09, 18:40
Barry Allen ♦♦
As above so below, as below so above. our mind is the sum total of all conscious cell and energy form in our being. the same with the unversal consciousness.
answered 14 Nov '09, 21:22
I don't understand your answer. Could you elaborate?
(14 Nov '09, 22:01) Vesuvius
Existence is conscious energy in forms. different forms of energy and different levels of consciousness. but as a whole, it's one consciosuness without separation. just like our body .. our mind is not only our brain. but also the sum total of all conscious cells and energy forms within us. but at the same time, it acts as one. even when there many different - individual - actions taking place within this whole one being. the trick is .. we believe that individual or personal level of consciousness is the highest form or level of consciousness , so we concluded that ..
(14 Nov '09, 23:47) Adel
God or the mind beyond/above all that exists .. is also personal. we gave it names and characters, then imagined or concluded that it must have its own will, so we looked for ways to follow this will. and the story never ended since then. and it all started with one false belief based on wring/false logical conclusion. but - in my opinion - and as science proved .. it's not personal at all. so - in conclusion - our own unnpersonal mind is our true higher self. it's who we really are. the personal self is a limited expereince. in cosmic sense, it doesn't even exist.
(14 Nov '09, 23:54) Adel
as millions of body cells are born and die every second .. so as we, as individuals. the true self, the real being .. is the whole body. the total mind. or what we now call, the superconscious mind.
(14 Nov '09, 23:56) Adel
+1 A much better answer with the comments included.
(15 Nov '09, 00:08) Vesuvius
Thanks Vesuvius, will include more details in all answers :)
(15 Nov '09, 00:16) Adel
@Adel - i really enjoyed reading your explication thanks :)
(03 Feb '12, 00:12) blubird two
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I believe this is akin to the story of the grape vine.
John 15:5 (Read all of John 15)
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
So this question, it is the same as saying does the vine exist because of the branches or do the branches exist because of the vine? They are one and the same there can be no separation from the vine of the branches or they die all are the same so the branch may feel separate and worship the vine as separate be the branch is actually the vine. This is like I could look at someone and call him John or I could look at him and call him, the arms legs, the hands, the feet, the head and torso of John, I can expand on that for I can just hear now a whole bunch of separatist saying what about us? So expanded fingers, toes, eyes, ears, nose, hair of John, opps can't forget the cells they are separate individuals too apart from John. I could keep going or I could just say John and that includes everyone.
All One, All God.
answered 02 Jan '10, 20:14
you are a leaf on a tree. you are not the tree but are part of it. god is the tree. the tree is the universe. the golden light comes from God and go in all direction. and we all share using that golden light at the speed of light. you are made in the image of God has the spirit(God's children).
"You don't understand who I am from what I say to you.
Rather, you have become like the Judeans, for they love the tree but hate its fruit, or they love the fruit but hate the tree."
Good persons produce good from what they've stored up; bad persons produce evil from the wickedness they've stored up in their hearts, and say evil things. For from the overflow of the heart they produce evil."
If they say to you, 'Is it you?' say, 'We are its children, and we are the chosen of the living Father.'
If they ask you, 'What is the evidence of your Father in you?' say to them, 'It is motion and rest.'"
57 Jesus said, "The Father's kingdom is like a person who has [good] seed. His enemy came during the night and sowed weeds among the good seed. The person did not let the workers pull up the weeds, but said to them, 'No, otherwise you might go to pull up the weeds and pull up the wheat along with them.' For on the day of the harvest the weeds will be conspicuous, and will be pulled up and burned."
Salome said, "Who are you mister? You have climbed onto my couch and eaten from my table as if you are from someone."
Jesus said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father."
"I am your disciple."
"For this reason I say, if one is whole, one will be filled with light, but if one is divided, one will be filled with darkness."
He said to the person, "Mister, who made me a divider?"
He turned to his disciples and said to them, "I'm not a divider, am I?"
Split a piece of wood; I am there.
Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."
He said to [her], "Lucky are those who have heard the word of the Father and have truly kept it. For there will be days when you will say, 'Lucky are the womb that has not conceived and the breasts that have not given milk.'"
Does not Jesus say, "Those who have found themselves, of them the world is not worthy"?
"It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, 'Look, here!' or 'Look, there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it." http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
We are all the offspring of God in the sense we are His products of the creative work of God (Acts 17:25ff), all men are not the children of God in a personal sense as a father with a son. Scripture teaches that God only dwells in those who have put their faith in Christ. All others, while God’s offspring by creation, have been separated from Him because of sin. When a person turns to God by believing in His Son, Jesus Christ, they are spiritually regenerated, born anew, given new life, justified (declared righteous in Christ), forgiven of all their sin, past, present, and even future, and made children of God (John 1:12-13). At the same time, at the moment of faith, God the Holy Spirit comes to indwell their lives to enable them to experience fellowship with God and understand, grasp the truth of Scripture in a personal and meaningful way.
answered 03 Feb '12, 00:22
When a person turns to God by believing in His Son, Jesus Christ... So now you believe then, white tiger?
(03 Feb '12, 07:31) Eddie
i am over belief Eddie i am in faith. what role has a witness Eddie?
(03 Feb '12, 14:17) white tiger
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