Here is an idea that is sure to create lots of Noise. (That is the idea anyway)
What if God & Devil are two extremes of the same phenomenon of creation energy?
Imagine if God could be the experience of the pure spiritual giving energy similar to a bright flash light shining towards you and the Devil is the exact opposite flow of the same energy experienced as the negative flow of the creation energy or in the analogy of the flashlight, the opposite flow of the light towards you which is experienced as darkness. Not the absence of light, but rather the taking away or opposite flow of the same light.
This ties in with the duality principle, where for every action a spontaneous opposite reaction is created to keep the original action in balance. Which is basically, for every good act a bad act is manifested into potential reality to keep it in balance. If this is so It could be the basis for the middle path in Buddhism.
What do you fellow spiritual seekers & friends think?
Firstly, I should say that my (probably unpopular) viewpoint is that both God and Devil are abstract concepts that have been anthropomorphized by humans...just because that's what us humans tend to do when we don't really understand something :)
I think your excellent question has brought up something very important.
If there was no down, how would you know up?
If there was no darkness, then how would you know light?
The negative is a necessary pre-requisite to the positive existing.
And if we cut to the chase...God is meaningless without the Devil.
So rather than both being opposites, they are, in fact, partners, if not non-identical twins. Both being the same energy is a good way of saying the same thing.
I shall now run for cover :)
There is no Devil.....not in the way that most are lead to believe. There is only one energy... It is light (or good). Unless you are one of the people that walks into a room looking for the "dark switch" There is no darkness.....only the absent of light.
answered 04 Dec '09, 03:01
The universe exist with positive and negative energies, values, beliefs and so and so on, one of the laws of physics states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The buddhist and my self believe in duality, the mere existance of the universe would cease to exist without it. Therefore stingray is correct when he states that you can not have good without evil and you can not have a god without a devil, just as any good story has to have an antagonist and a protagonist or it is just a biography. And also they maybe one and the same, GOD and the devil maybe two sides of the same coin. However darkness is the absense of light particles/photons/waves so they are not even related. The hardest part is to define what is related and what is not. Without positive and negative energies you would not be seeing my words on the blank screen.
answered 26 Nov '09, 22:55
God created evil and he also created the devil except when he created the devil was one of the most beautiful angels.
Now the reason God created evil was to give us humans an choice. He created us to be free moral agent with the ability to choose and if there was nothing for us to choose than there would be no choice.
I'm trying to fine the bible verse I haven't found it I will have to get back with you but it is in Psalms.
answered 27 Nov '09, 04:55
This question to me is kind of like saying existence and non-existence are two sides of the same coin. Believe me I have done this meditation and if you let it, it could drive you insane!
If existence needs non-existence to exist then it can't exist but if it does not exist then it is therefore non-existent and for non-existence to exist something has to exist so therefore it does exist.
For me I see God as supreme existence the everything, now the devil is see as the illusion and what leads people into the deeper depths of error and illusion until so lost and confused the person feels that he or she has lost connection with God. That of course is impossible but can be experienced through that getting lost in your negative beliefs or doubts fears and worries.
Now because the devil is the lie and the ultimate supreme illusion deceptive and leads people into deceptiveness, error and confusion that is a pretty "real" thing. We all deal with and fight with it, but by turning to the ultimate truth "God" it vanishes before us as we rebuke it to flee from us as the empty nothingness it really is.
answered 02 Dec '09, 20:23
you have positive and negative energy in you that is not the problem the problem is how you use it in your works to do good or bad! every thing is dual and in a whole! always seek balence and harmony in your work! the whole is the middle path!
answered 04 Jun '11, 21:31
No, God's energy, and the Devil's energy are not the same energy!
Before there was anything in this universe, God created the heavens, and the earth, there was no Devil at this time, until God choose to create his angels, and still there was no evil at this time, until God choose to create man, and woman after creating everything good, and perfect for man to enjoy!
Indeed God was please with his work of Art Creating the Universe, and Man, and Woman. So he choose to be even more generous by giving man, and woman the gift of choice, and freewill, and by doing this one of his Archangel became jealous of God, and wanted to be like God. This was the seed of negative thoughts, good verses evil!
The Devil saw that the woman was an innocent victim for him to pry on, and to gain the power that he seeks as a God, so he seduced her ignorance causing her to sin against the God who created her. So, it was Devil that created the dark energy in the Kingdom of God, therefore, he was cursed and thrown out of the kingdom of God forever!
God indeed was aware of the Devil’s negative thoughts and intention to destroy his Kingdom in Heaven and his creation on earth, man, and woman: but since he had given the man and the woman the most precious gift of all, the freedom to choose for themselves, he wanted to test their spiritual ability on trust and judgment; and the man and the woman in turn used their precious spiritual gifts of knowledge, and wisdom, unwisely, and by doing so, the Devil triumph obtaining God like powers over the humans that God created in his own image, and likeness. This evil deed by the Devil, the man, and the woman caused God to banish them out of the Garden of Eden forever!
So, although the light energy started out being one and the same energy of God, the Devil saw an opportunity to created from the light energy a darkness that is very different to the pure light energy, and the light change to the darkness, reflecting both light and darkness, separately; so positive, and negative are different in both perspective, and cannot be concluded as the same energy!
answered 05 Jun '11, 06:43
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Using the concept of yin and yang depicted by the symbol of a circle divided into black and white, these seemingly contrary forces and polar opposites would be interconnected and thus only exist in relation to one another ... the circle would represent the primal creative energy from which these two forces would come into existence ...
happy hunting :)
Well, what i think here is there is a plane separate from the distinction of good and evil, termed as God and Devil by you. The supreme is beyond good and evil and the other way of saying is that good and evil reside in the Supreme. So the so called path of balance is also seen as something beyond good and evil. The world i am talking about is not a digital world (meaning not only '0' and '1') but more. It is not either black or white (bad or good), but grey or neither black nor white. I am not sure how to explain this, but one needs to come out of thinking in terms of judgements or definitions like God and Devil or good and bad. The truth is beyond this and once you get to realize this it is very difficult to describe in words. So giving becomes taking, good becomes bad and bad becomes good.. friend becomes enemy and enemy becomes a friend.. such is the world a little bit difficult to understand with the limitations of senses. Thinking with the senses is like playing a game with the rules and limitations set by us but it is fun thinking in terms of good, bad, love, hate, winning, loosing etc. Well, I am not sure how other players are going to react to this.. but I really cannot stay for long with the illusion!! I quit sometimes.. and i remind myself that I am free and infinite being..
answered 26 Nov '09, 18:53
Some think of a Satan/Michael type concept with Christ at the top and Beelzebub at the bottom. These two aspects claim (or wish to deny, respectively) that they do not know what the other is doing...
answered 06 Dec '09, 00:47
concept of devil is incorrect. its a chidish device to frighten the ignorant into behaving properly. satan acts on the direct orders of god as a tester- as evidenced in the life of job, for example or more precisely when jesus went into the desert after his baptism by john- the fact that we feel the tests to be too ''harsh ''or ''not fair''is our own lack of spiritual developement
answered 13 Dec '09, 23:53
Hello everyone there are wise words here and questions still to be answered. I have always believed God to be omnipotent all powerful and omnipresent everywhere in so being i question why our father in heaven chose to let evil happen at all and why if being omnipotent did and does allow evil to exist at all whether the devil is real or not is irrelevant if God has the power right now to stop all wrong doing on earth now and forever! The real question is where does evil came from the devil? theserpent lucifer Satan man or woman? well i have struggled with these questions for more time than i would like remember and the serpent in the garden of Eden was lucifer was and is female! and all evil began throng the one spiritual being in this this these trying to overthrow God!! Adam never even talked to the serpent in the hardened Eden only eve did!! So ask world where all evil starts and finishes and you Will clearly see what our world and how and why we truly exist
answered 21 Dec '11, 10:15
I have often asked myself how anything imperfect and the potential to be evil can come from a perfect being (God)? I've come to believe from the myriad of religions all stating the idea of light and dark, ying and yang, shiva and shakti, etc that good and evil or liht and dark have to be encapsulated within the same creative force. The ideas of pantheism and panentheism are hard to get around even for Chrsitianity.
Colossians 1:15-20 New International Version (NIV)
The Supremacy of the Son of God 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
answered 13 May '12, 13:08
Dusted in Shadow
This could go in a million directions for even more million years but here is my quickie version.
It's all opinion, and mine goes like this ...No, god and the devil are not the same energy. These are two words or labels used to convey the energies of good and evil. Good and Evil denote 2 opposite things 2 opposite things can not be the same.
Truth cant lie. Death cant live. Light cant be dark and dark cant be light. They are opposing energies.
A good tree can not bear bad fruit, a bad tree can not bear good fruit. A pine tree bears pine cones a, a pine apple tree bears pine apples.
The reason for the emphasis on the fruit is because the trees can look alike , not looking opposite at all. But good is good and evil is evil....no matter if the trees look alike...
In this case with God and the devil....You cant tell one from the other because they are both invisible...One exist and the other doesn't. One is spirit and the other is imagination.
God is taught as being both good and evil...It's a lie A house divided can not stand. Satan can not cast out Satan. Satan is just an enemy...anything opposing forward motion.
Satan is a liar, the father of lies, there is not truth in him....come on...it's a lie. The energy is a lie. It can't be true. Otherwise truth and love and caring for people is evil.
Evil is the product of mankind and the power of a freewill being with an imagination that is of of the same creative energy as it's source. Very powerful...Focus on fear, hatred, anger, destruction...That's what it creates.
Focus on Love Peace Giving and being good to people...It's easy, it gets easier with practice. The other road...One way street to self destruction...It's a choice and it's the only way to prove that we have free will.
We have to have the choice. The father...He's got this...Mom, she's got it too....We just need to tune in and listen to the invisible. We are the essence of our creators. Since we have free will and we are the essence of free will we have always been and always will be or we created our selves...take your pick.
Evil is a lie and lies are not true...they don't exist only in our imaginations.
Forward is the way but forward is not always straight
I'll be back...I like you guys. Cool site!
answered 29 Oct '19, 13:30
perhaps all that is is
does head or tail develop
answered 03 Dec '19, 15:50
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