Sometimes I feel like I'm actively battling with my subconscious, which keeps trying to think things that my conscious doesn't agree with.

Generally it's just drawing attention to concepts I don't want to bother with, unusual first reactions to events [even though I can realize I'm being abnormal and correct my behavior, the initial impulse was abnormal], or mild temper issues [entirely in my head, from the outside I have amazing self control under stress].

If it helps explain, I mean I will have a thought in a response to something, then think wait, that isn't my real response. Why did I even think that?

But sometimes it can be a bit ridiculous, and I wonder if it's just me or if abnormal thoughts aren't actually that abnormal? A relatively 'neutral' example of this would be having graphic thoughts of hurting someone who commits certain heinous crimes. Of course these thoughts don't really concern me because they're well in 'check'. But I wonder what their implications are, as far as my psyche is concerned.

Any related thoughts / observations / experiences?

asked 04 Mar '12, 23:41

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edited 05 Mar '12, 01:53

The Krell in "Forbidden Planet" had some serious problems with manifestations from their subconscious!

(05 Mar '12, 05:27) Dollar Bill

And "Forbidden Planet" was just a science-fiction reinterpretation of Shakespeare's classic play The Tempest

(05 Mar '12, 07:20) Stingray

who is the master and creator of those though? to fight a though and create a resistance will it help you? is it not the fact that you do not understand those though that is the real matter at hand? do those though comes from the false center? yet you need that false center to live in this world because many are at the wide gate. but to fight your self or to create resistance is not the way. the way is in the truth and the life. make peace between the false center and the true center.

(07 Mar '12, 01:39) white tiger

the key is the truth. but are you ready to find it in your self? experience and enjoy.

(07 Mar '12, 01:40) white tiger

who can judge another? you will be judge to the same you need to judge those though? or can you just accept the truth? will you cast that stone? or will you just accept the truth? you are your worst ennemy. or your best friend. what will you choose?

(07 Mar '12, 02:01) white tiger

if i told you that some religious people came to ask me this question: what should we do to the people that destroy the planet? and i told them that we all have free will and are responsible of it. and they wanted to leave me the bible so that i could look at it. and i told them i have all ready read it many time. did those people read the same book that i have read? then why do they not follow the way the truth and the life? john 14-6

(07 Mar '12, 02:10) white tiger

the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

(07 Mar '12, 02:14) white tiger

@white tiger: Since you already have an answer here could you please either edit your answer and include these comments there, or post the comments on your own answer instead of the question?

If so, thanks! If not, oh well. =)

(07 Mar '12, 19:55) Snow

those here are comment for you. to make you understand in truth. that is why i did not put it in the answer. and have put it in the comment to you.

(07 Mar '12, 20:00) white tiger

"to make you understand in truth."

That makes these sound like 'answers' to me. I absolutely don't believe that your interpretation of the Bible is the only one, nor that even stays true to the 'theme' of most of the Bible, especially because I can provide you with verses that say you are supposed to judge people all the time, and verses that say you should even punish people who do any number of dozens of things.

To me it seems like you're a Buddhist trying to use the Bible as a holy book.

(07 Mar '12, 20:08) Snow

It's not that I don't appreciate your input, I do, it's just that sometimes it has a habit of ending up on every single answer in a thread, even when you don't seem to be actively 'commenting' on anything, simply 'speaking' intending to be heard. Just would be more comfortable to me if you kept all input that is intended to make others understand your point of view without expecting a response placed in your own answer or a comment thereon.

(07 Mar '12, 20:10) Snow

But anyway; like I said, it was simply a request. What you choose to do with my request is entirely up to you. ^_^

And as an aside, quotes like this aren't uncommon in the Bible: Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment. <-- Jesus said that.

Just a point, there are many points of view out there, not just your own. ESPECIALLY when it comes to interpreting the Bible. You can't always leave out the parts of the Bible you don't like to further your personal beliefs. =)

(07 Mar '12, 20:10) Snow are you so sure of me in your judgement?

(07 Mar '12, 20:41) white tiger

@White Tiger: That's a nice movie clip, but I must admit I fail to understand its relevancy.

Like I said, this is a quote from Jesus: "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment." If he ever instructed anyone to judge under any circumstances, how is it you claim that we are never to judge?

My only point here is still you must realize there is more to spirituality than just what you see. =)

(07 Mar '12, 20:45) Snow

are you with out sin to cast the first stone? and do you have to read the bible has a dead stone?

(07 Mar '12, 20:50) white tiger

Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

(07 Mar '12, 20:56) white tiger

@WT: Well, it does say in the Bible that once I accept Jesus I am thereby cleansed of all sin, through his blood no less. Pretty specific.. As for your second sentence, I'm sorry it doesn't make sense.

Anyway, my point isn't to open up a debate regarding judgement, merely pointing out to you that the Bible says unarguably, verbatim, that you are not only to judge but gives you details about things you are to judge and how to punish them.

There are many interpretations out there... =)

(07 Mar '12, 20:58) Snow how can you judge of what i see?

(07 Mar '12, 21:01) white tiger

No clue what you're asking, but:

1 Cor 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:"

(07 Mar '12, 21:07) Snow

who is that spiritual men or that son of men snow?

(07 Mar '12, 21:10) white tiger

That is merely a modern translation, you're trying to argue semantics on a point that was translated that way for ease of understanding by the church on countless occasions.

As such, using semantics as a basis for any Biblical arguments is illogical, even ignoring the fact that it has been translated from language to language repeatedly for ages.

"But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one." Would probably answer your question, as it is pretty general

(07 Mar '12, 21:16) Snow

and yet you do not see and that is why you judge and will be judge to the same mesure. Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.

(07 Mar '12, 21:27) white tiger

Actually, I consciously choose to judge because that is what I believe is correct. The point you're missing out on is I only judge on topics that I don't mind being judged by the same measure on. To me that is what that quote means, because I don't believe Jesus would directly contradict himself. Instead, I think your quote is meant to say you better not be guilty of the SAME crime you're condemning someone else for. Sounds a lot like do unto others...

(07 Mar '12, 21:30) Snow

To me that quote is simply a lesson about do unto others, and your personal interpretation of that (do nothing unto others so others do nothing unto you) is absolutely fine, but that is only one possible use of it. Another would be do only good things unto others so they only do good things back. See my point? Or only judge the wicked, and be sure to not be wicked yourself..

But anyway; I don't think we're getting anywhere here. I'll just leave my request on the table and let that be it.=) ^_^

(07 Mar '12, 21:32) Snow

jesus does not contradict him self you said it your self: 1 Cor 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:" why is he not subject to anny man's judgement because he does not judge he knows the truth. and who is the truth?

(07 Mar '12, 21:35) white tiger

Read John 7:24...

And I don't think the Bible is being blatantly misleading with its words, as you imply. If that were true, can't we just say everything in the Bible is actually a trick statement and has some underlying (and unsaid) understanding to be followed that happens to coincide with whatever belief want it to support?

(07 Mar '12, 21:40) Snow

o men of little faith. For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

(07 Mar '12, 21:43) white tiger

The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

(07 Mar '12, 21:45) white tiger

John 3:19-21 (Phi) "This is the judgment: that light has entered the world, and men have preferred darkness to light because their deeds were evil. Everybody who does wrong hates the light and keeps away from it, for fear his deeds may be exposed. But everybody who is living by the truth will come to the light to make it plain that all he has done has been done through God."

(07 Mar '12, 21:49) white tiger

I read everything you're quoting to completely support everything that I've been saying since this discussion began.. I'm confused, are you saying you changed your mind and you're on my side or are you interpreting these quotes differently?

v - And at the comment below this one, I have literally no idea what relevancy that has.

(07 Mar '12, 21:52) Snow

God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

(07 Mar '12, 21:54) white tiger

why are you confuse you double minded? Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

(07 Mar '12, 21:59) white tiger
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Yes Snow!


You are asking the questions that will open a new doorway of realization.

You can't teach someone to ask this question because it is an un-natural way to observe one's own consciousness, and when you explain to people what's going on, they get scared and defensive.

Your curiosity will automatically lead you to new realizations according to your curiosity.

Ask yourself "Am I the thinker of my thoughts, or do all my thoughts occur to me?"

And the next (more important) question is

"If my thoughts occur to me, then who is thinking these thoughts?"

You can also ask

"Do I exist within my thoughts or can my existence remain in the absence of it?"

See where you get with these ideas.

I'm not sure where you stand on the nature of "governments", "democracy" and the "banking system", but chances are you do understand that there is a surface concept on these subjects and then there is this "other side" where you discover that things are not at all what you thought they were.

The same can be said of consciousness.

It is not what we think it is.

It is something completely different.

But you can't say that to somebody and expect them to take you seriously.

But you have got to that point by your own effort and you are probably ready to realize the "other side" to consciousness.

Let me put it this way, when you figure it out, you will know that true freedom exists outside of consciousness where you "choose" to exist within consciousness as you need to.

As you ask these questions watch the MATRIX series and try to figure out what it's all about.


I thought that it might me a good idea to add a link to an old answer I put down here that got me a -1 vote because it deals with the EXACT POINT that I was trying to make with that answer.

Here’s that link:

I realized that either my answer scared most people or they just didn't get what I was hinting at.

Either way, that answer and this answer are dealing with the same subject, and I think you are brave enough to ask the question in this manner.

Have you noticed that evil and destructive thoughts have a tendency to keep us in a loop as if we are somehow addicted to them? That is exactly what is happening in that moment. It is a form of addiction.

If you study addiction you will realize that all addictions stimulate the pleasure centre.

So now you can put the two ideas together and come to your own conclusions about the nature of suffering and evil tendencies.

So the next question is who is doing this?

Is it us by choice or are we being manipulated to use our consciousness this way?

Are we un-willing thinkers of the thoughts that occur to us?

That's the question you are asking and you are at the point of choosing if you are going to swallow the red pill or the blue pill.

In the MATRIX they wake up to a rather dark and dreary reality that is actually the "real" reality when they were un-plugged from the computer reality.

In the matrix the characters were kept in the Matrix through a connection behind their head that was plugged into the "system" so to speak.

We are addictively plugged into a reality of continuous thought, which is imposed upon us through an addiction and pleasure response mechanism.

Through this method we are un-willingly co-creating our physical reality in a manner that was not exactly our choice (within recorded history).

We are (supposedly) approaching a point in history where we finally get the chance to "un-plug" from this "imposed" mechanism of "in voluntary thought" to a situation where we are free to choose our thoughts, and therefore our corresponding dimensionally co-mingled reality of our choosing.

We can finally choose peace as a choice within our consciousness and stay within it naturally without being hijacked by another mechanism to return to constant thoughts of war.

But to learn to do that each of us must begin by asking the types of question that you are asking yourself right now.

And initially as we learn to un-plug from this addictive and pleasurable activity of constant thought, the alternative will be quite bleak and dreary.

So it is up to you to decide if you really want to "wake up" or stay in the matrix.

If you carefully listen to the information around you, such as from Bashar, you will know that this process of "un-plugging" will happen over some time, so that people will get a chance to adjust their mind from an involuntary thinker to a voluntary thinker.

Only the realization will hit you like a ton of bricks and you will feel hopeless for a while, but you will get past it and start to work on yourself.

There is much we have to learn before we become conscious co-creators of our reality.

And much of it is going to be difficult if one is completely locked into an opinion based existence within reality.

But thanks for your question, so that I could give this answer :)


answered 05 Mar '12, 10:23

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edited 05 Mar '12, 17:44

(05 Mar '12, 16:19) ursixx

Hi ursixx. Thanks for that adjustment. You know something? I had grown to love that -1 vote because it was a symbol of a separation of ideas. I used to go to that answer from time to time just to see if anyone read that answer and figured out that it was meant to initiate a curiosity that makes most people uncomfortable. So in a way, what began then has finally completed a full circle with Snow's question creating more interest in this direction, and your kind adjustment to my -1 vote.

(05 Mar '12, 17:01) The Traveller

@The Traveller Well put! RPG? I particularly like

"Let me put it this way, when you figure it out, you will know that true freedom exists outside of consciousness where you "choose" to exist within consciousness as you need to."

(05 Mar '12, 18:09) Dollar Bill

@The Traveller: You're welcome for the question. Thanks for the answer, so I had an excuse to put on my confused face. =P

I liked your less than subtle hints regarding society and government and such.. An excellent point for comparison.

Great answer. =) Thanks for sharing.

(05 Mar '12, 20:10) Snow

Hi Snow. I'm really happy that you understood the hint. Apparently the transition that's happening is taking us to where the "support system" within consciousness no longer exists (that is if we take that branch dimensionally). So we have to learn to compensate for existence without the magician behind the curtain telling us what to think, because he is not able to make the shift along with us.

(06 Mar '12, 00:26) The Traveller

The reason I am continuing to just give hints is so that you will stumble upon the details of what has been hidden from you by your own effort. If I told you exactly what I have uncovered and am now choosing to accept as what's going on, you will react with criticism just because you don't want it to be true.

(06 Mar '12, 00:33) The Traveller

You said "Sometimes I feel like I'm actively battling with my subconscious, which keeps trying to think things that my conscious doesn't agree with.” That's exactly how I managed to stumble on information to reveal to me that things are not what they appear to be. I was asking the exact questions that you are asking. So I want you to keep asking them to see if your inner self will lead you to the same knowledge that I was lead to.

(06 Mar '12, 00:38) The Traveller

Hmm... Well, I'm a fan of the Sherlock Holmes movies. But in this particular case I am not quite awake enough to handle the critical thinking.

(06 Mar '12, 00:45) Snow

Here's my final point (I hope). If we are shifting to a place where the support structure within consciousness no longer exists, then we have to take responsibility for keeping our point of reference. That means realizing that our point of reference is creation. To think by choice instead of by reaction. To take total responsibility for our inner obsessions and their corresponding effects in reality.

(06 Mar '12, 01:07) The Traveller

Yes everything is thought or belief. Even my answer of turning the thought into something you can blow up is a thought. :-)

Joe Vitale has a Buddhist clearing (Furba) method of projecting the thought then cutting it up with a knife. Me I like blowing it up, it just feels more empowering that I am in control, not my thoughts over me.

This may interest you

(06 Mar '12, 14:28) Wade Casaldi

Hi Wade! I checked out the link. Thanks’ for that. It's a good one. You last point "that I am in control, not my thoughts over me." is an excellent reflection of the idea that I am trying to share in this answer. These Ideas are not mine; by the way, they already exist out there. It gets to the core of why we still struggle and suffer in-spite of the fact that all this positive stuff is available to us.

(06 Mar '12, 21:27) The Traveller

Consciously none of us choose to dwell on suffering, and yet the moment we look away and return our attention to self-observation, thoughts that are NOT of our choosing are infecting our minds. Most of us are not asking our inner self to reveal to us why that is happening. It seems that Snow began asking that question. I'm encouraging everyone to ask their inner self to reveal to themselves why that is happening.

(06 Mar '12, 21:39) The Traveller
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Only if you believe it's the real you..... once you can separate your "true" higher self from all the noise of the subconscious beliefs it need not be scary any more.


answered 05 Mar '12, 16:36

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Inner Beauty

If we see these as hindrances to be fought against then yes they would be so, however had we to see these as opportunity to get clear then not so much so.

See these as opportune moments in time to say, "This is in my mind. I don't like this." You have done this much, but now imagine these thoughts of violence forming into a demon then cast it out of your body and blow it up with a lightning bolt you imagine from your fingers as you say "In Jesus name be gone!" You imagine you just shot the thought form that held those violent thoughts, or vanished it if you prefer. Either way every time this happens you are getting rid of these thought forms, you are as well getting rid of the creative thought, or reactionary thought behind the thought form.

If we deny the thoughts and lock them away, here is a scene of what could happen. This has happened many times to people. There was a kid that was picked on at school for who knows how long, until something snapped and he brought a gun to school and shot everyone. That was terrible! It was in the news years ago. Others snap too! Assault of precinct 13, a guy on the roof shooting everyone! Going postal, the post office man that snapped. All of this has happened and unfortunately will continue, as long as that shadow self is ignored and hidden away like a bad boy told to sit in the corner with a dunce hat on. That bad boy will eventually yell, "NO! I WILL BE HEARD!!!!!!" Then you have a problem and lose control.

Recognize you have the thought, feel the thought, release the thought, and destroy the thought. This also holds for any negative thought, poverty, sickness whatever you want to get rid of. By destroying the thought you are not locking it away you are annihilating it gone from you.


answered 06 Mar '12, 10:17

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edited 06 Mar '12, 22:25


I like the imagery of black smoke leaving your body into the sky or something similar to help your subconscious understand that you are now letting go of all these thoughts.

(06 Mar '12, 15:22) Inner Beauty

Yes that is good too, as long as you make the troubeling thought something you can imagin leaving you, whether casting it out and blowing it up, or as Joe Vitale does imagins it as an energy ball he cuts to pieces we get rid of them. I like blasting stuff because it feels empowering. I like your method too. +1 :-)

(06 Mar '12, 22:23) Wade Casaldi

@Wade Casaldi. . . wow Wade, sounds like Charlotte Hall praying (commanding) the tornado to go away & it worked for her. My heart & prayers sure go out to all who were in the path of those 140 tornados.

(07 Mar '12, 00:57) ele

@ele Wow yes God is so amazing! Yes that is a perfect example of our dominion over all the earth and everything on earth. We lost it with Adam and Eve and regained it with Jesus.

(07 Mar '12, 23:21) Wade Casaldi
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if you are councious about them are they really subcouncious? if you think that is weird wait when you will have the though and action of other people around you to deal with. you will discover a world full of false center(ego). you will tell them thinks that are obvious to you but they do not want to see or ear. but in the end it does not matter it is their choice. you can only choose for your self. enter the narrow gate because wide is the gate of destruction and many enter through it. experience and enjoy.


answered 05 Mar '12, 15:20

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white tiger

edited 05 Mar '12, 15:21

no, it is our future
we should learn to objectify
what it presents to us
and then give it back to her


answered 07 Mar '12, 20:45

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