I was talking with a friend, and we were noticing that people who are spiritually awake, or saved- however you want to word it- seem to speak of life differently than those who are still "asleep". To me, "being saved" denotes a commitment to the Christian way of life- but I think that there are a lot of people who are "awake" who are not committed Christians who understand spirituality in the way I am speaking.
.What do you think about this? Do people who are spiritually awake have the same advantages as those who are "saved"?
asked 10 Jul '10, 07:33
I think both those who are saved and those who are awake begin to view life through a clear lens where before it was pretty opaque or clouded. The only difference being that the saved use the teachings of Christ as their guide while those who are awake usually use a variety of teachings in conjunction with their own inner guidance ( sometimes the teachings of Christ are among these).
We all have the ability to get in touch with God or Source so I'd say we all have equal advantage - the Creator I know doesn't play favourites.
answered 10 Jul '10, 12:52
I agree, being 'born again/from above' is simply an awakening to the fact that you are a part of God. That's why when this happens you are able to enter the kingdom of Heaven which is within you. Until that time you will believe you are separate from God and in need of a 'saviour' when in fact you are your own saviour, you are I AM.
(17 Oct '10, 18:09) AboveBelow
For years as a New-Age Christian my experience was Born Again Christians were pretty close minded and saw the devil everywhere and were generally afraid of most everything. I now go to a Born Again Church that when I listen to my Pastor talk he teaches of our authority, power and command through Christ. This is a very empowering church and a church that teaches us to be Christ like as Christians, this was very awakening to me because I only heard this kind of talk from New Age and from my many years of study in my Mystery Schools. I agreed with what he had to say because if I had a church myself I would have been saying similar things really. I asked where he learned all this, and he said the Bible itself, this gave me a new appreciation for the Bible no need to add what Krishna said or Buddha it is all in there. We should never walk in fear as Christians from the devil or demons or anything evil we have authority command and power over all of that through Christ. That is the reason we "Walk" through the valley of the shadow of death, we don't "Run" we walk because we know there is nothing to fear Christ has already won.
The more I walk this path as a disciple of Christ learning to walk in his foot steps, casting out and healing right now by the power of the word I experience greater and greater connection and ever greater miracles for those I pray for as well. I do see the Christian path as a path of enlightenment, the bible must be studied and applied we as disciples are not only worshipers but followers and students.
Was Christ a Yogi? By Swami Abhedananda Ramakrishna Vedanta Math, Calcutta
You can see by this link Christ was considered the perfect Yogi in every way, with someone to follow so perfect of course it would lead one to enlightenment to follow Christ.
answered 11 Jul '10, 06:03
I think they are two completely different things. I have met many people who are saved but do not seem awake at all, sometimes even more asleep than average.
I think being saved is a mental decision of dedicating your life to Christ, regardless of your level of connetion to spirtual "things".
Now, to make this point, lets take a monk in Tibet who has been in meditation for 15 months straight. He is going to be much more spirituall awake than 99.99% of the world population.
In addtion, he has no concept of being saved.
answered 17 Jul '10, 20:39
Salvation is a concept where we are saved from harm or we are protected. We are all on a scale of spiritual evolvement. Many are at a point in there spiritual development where salvation from sins and protection from evil are important to them. Where Salvation is a main goal for the Christian Faith. However, there are other spiritual aspects, like being spiritually awake, or enlightment. Like the main goal of Buddhism is enlightnment. Or Taoism, where becomeing one with the ALL.
I would say, no there is no difference from being saved or being spiritually awake. Like a new born baby, their eye sight range is for the first few months, are only around 8 - 10 inches. Then as they become more aware their vision expands further out.
Like spiritual awakeness, our spiritual range expands There is a place for all truth of each religion. Where do you feel most comfortable. I think Christian faith is a great beginning to spiritual awakening to understand that we are all protected (saved) there is something bigger than ourselves and that we can commune with god. However, there are religions that can aide us further in our spiritual development and expand even further our spiritual awakening range.
It all comes down to "What do you want in your spiritual life right now?"
answered 10 Jul '10, 17:13
Being saved is a little bit like marriage. In both cases, people made a big deal out of it, and I really didn't feel any different afterwards. But over time, the commitment to marriage, the commitment to being saved, changed me, in subtle but profound ways.
For example, I became more comfortable about being different in my own decisions. The way my life is led is my business, and no one else's, and I am bothered far less about what other people think about the decisions I make.
The commitment to higher principles allows one to make better decisions, because you base them on a higher good, rather than the wisdom (or lack thereof) of the masses.
answered 10 Jul '10, 20:06
I am answering this question because it contains a Bible-specific term: “Being Saved”.
This question is another excellent example of why we should always be paying attention to specific terminology when discussing spiritual matters.
From a Biblical perspective, a person cannot be “Spiritually Awake” until they are “Saved”. And, a person is not “Saved” until they CHOOSE to become BORN-AGAIN. Becoming BORN-AGAIN instantly establishes a person’s “Salvation” from the SIN judgment and gives them the necessary spiritual tools for being “Spiritually Awake”.
Briefly, the Biblical steps for being “Spiritually Awake” are:
(1) Confess to GOD that you are a SINNER. In order to do this, you will be obliged to leave your pride at the door and meet GOD on His terms, not yours:
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of GOD” [Romans 3:23]
“For we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one” [Romans 3:9,10]
“If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” [I John 1:10]
(2) With the understanding and belief that you are a SINNER, you must choose to become BORN-AGAIN through the blood-sacrifice of Jesus Christ. With this personal decision, GOD will place His Spirit in you in order to have a personal relationship with you as a sealed member of the invisible Body of Christ. As soon as the Spirit of GOD is placed in you, your JUDICIAL position in the eyes of GOD is that you are now “Saved” from the SIN judgment. In other words, Jesus Christ is your “Passover Lamb” [Exodus 12].
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.” [John 3:3,6,7]
“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour” [Titus 3:5,6]
“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” [Romans 5:8,9]
“For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.” [I Thessalonians 5:9,10]
(3) Once you are BORN-AGAIN and “Saved”, being “Spiritually Awake” is now POSSIBLE through the power of GOD’s Spirit in you. The level of “Spiritual Awakening” achieved by a BORN-AGAIN person is directly related to their personal walk with GOD. If your personal walk with GOD is one of spiritual intimacy and obedience, then you will experience high levels of “Spiritual Awakening”. If your personal walk with GOD is one of spiritual convenience and disobedience, then you will be surely disciplined by GOD and experience lower levels of “Spiritual Awakening”. On a daily basis, the BORN-AGAIN person will have to choose whether to follow or reject the guidance of GOD’s Spirit in them. Their choice will affect the level of their “Spiritual Awakening”. At the very least, a BORN-AGAIN person should be familiar with the following aspects of their “Spiritual Awakening” through GOD’s Spirit in them:
a. You become a NEW creature [ II Corinthians 5:17]
“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
b. You have the MIND of Christ [I Corinthians 2:14-16]
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”
c. You are prepared for GOOD works [Ephesians 2:10]
“For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them”
d. You can experience the FRUIT of the Spirit [Galatians 5:22,23]
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”
e. You have the ARMOUR of GOD [Ephesians 6:13-18]
“Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints”
Again, in conclusion, we see how the Bible stands apart from other belief systems. The Bible makes it clear that being “Spiritually Awake” is NOT possible unless you first go through the blood of Jesus Christ and become BORN-AGAIN by GOD’s Spirit. Many other belief systems do not recognize SIN as the transgression of GOD’s Law and do not believe that “Salvation” is needed from any type of judgment for SIN. This is contrary to Biblical doctrine. In bypassing the GOD of the Bible, therefore, many people hope to achieve “Spiritual Awakening” through religions, philosophies, or other practices. Unfortunately, the Bible says that it CANNOT be done.
These Biblical claims will obviously anger, insult, and offend many people. The usual outcry is that these Biblical claims are extremely “narrow-minded” and “non-inclusive”. This is very true. However, the Bible NEVER presents itself as being “broad-minded” and “all-inclusive”. From a Biblical perspective, these claims merely confirm and reinforce the undisputable exclusivity and pre-eminence of Jesus Christ (GOD in the Flesh) as presented in the Bible. Just how exclusive is Jesus Christ? The GOD of the Bible says that you do NOT belong to Him if the Spirit of Christ is not in you:
“…Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” [Romans 8:9]
Thanks for reading.
answered 20 Jul '10, 21:29
Yes i would say there is a difference.
Being saved is very much a Christian concept and is different s thing to different bible denominations.There are some denominations who agree and some whos ideas about this are not the same. at all.
The answer above is one interpretation and seems a very popular one .However i know do other Christians who differ in this interpretation,wheather rightly or wrongly. As a non Christain i cant really comment on how they agree or disagree.But they certainly do.
All im saying is that the phrase BEING BAVED is predominantly a Christian thing.I will let the various denomination argue this out among themselves as they see fit.
Now to spiritually awake.I would say this is more a thing im now comfortable with. I view it as an attitude of learning and growing.Not i might add BEING RIGHT about spiritual things,but in seeking to know and seeking to learn.I see it as an ATTITUDE rather than an attainment.Being spiritually awake is in my opinion not the same as being saved,however i know there may well be people who are both, neither, or one or the other.
But i do see a difference between the two.And one doesnt neccesarily preclude or include the other
answered 08 Sep '10, 17:57
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