If the justification for the genocide of 6 million Jews by the Nazis was because the Jewish race was solely and collectively responsible for killing the Son of God "Christ-Killers", could Hitler not somehow have fulfilled a divine assignment to avenge for the craving souls in the Bible scripture of Revelation 6:9-10?
asked 09 Aug '10, 18:29
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This is one of the weirdest questions ever, lol. Again though, the question is based on and assumes a faulty premise of a definite right or wrong. It's interesting to see beliefs with possibly deep-rooted anger attached come out of the woodwork though :-)
I'm not sure why Hitler did what he did as I wasn't there or maybe I just can't remember being there...
I have to say that I agree with Neal Donald Walsh on this though: Hitler wasn't wrong. After all, he had the support of the German people at that time. He believed in what he wanted to do and they believed him, thereby enabling him to do what he did, did they not?
If the majority of 70 million people support your ideas and beliefs are you wrong to do what you believe is right? Looking at it from an inquiring big picture perspective, is there really such a thing as right or wrong? What's wrong for one can be right for another, no?
Through the contrast of The Hitler Experience, many positive changes were made for improvement and to ensure that it wouldn’t happen again. Did we really learn though or was Hitler simply replaced with a much more subtle tyrant in the guise of protector in the form of a United Federation?
“This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector”.
Note: to protect myself from any negative thoughts and feelings, I’ll just say: no, I’m not saying Hitler was right :-)
answered 11 Aug '10, 02:59
Indeed, only evil fights evil. It's not in the essence of goodness to fight.
(07 May '13, 02:58) CalonLan
The Jews were persecuted for many reasons aside from the one you mention here. It was widely believed that Jews were in control of all of the banking and entertainment, and that there were too many on staff at the universities. As the Jews seemed to become enriched, the rest of the country was in a post-war depression so the Jews became the scape-goats. Another prejudice went back many hundreds of years to when there was mass death of Gentiles during the plague in Europe; at a time when only a small percentage of Jews died from it, because of their cleaner kosher practices. A fable began to be spread that the Jews were poisoning Gentiles, since their death rate was so much lower. Hitler also believed in racial purity and simply did not want the Jewish race in Germany. So as you can see, there were many motives behind the Holocaust that had nothing to do with the Bible. And most people would probably not see Hitler as fulfilling any scriptures, or ever see him as a saint. My vote is for "villain".
Also the phrase "all the souls of those who had been martyred for preaching the Word of God and for being faithful in their witnessing" would also seem to contradict this theory, since the Jewish people are not known for their preaching, witnessing or proselytizing the past few centuries.
Interesting question though.....
answered 09 Aug '10, 19:06
Agree with Lee Ann completely. My vote is for "villian". I don't approve of any holocaust call it Jews, Crusades, Witch Hunt, Inquisition, Jihad, you name it. And I don't care about what Holy Book it appears as a divine assignement in!
answered 09 Aug '10, 20:17
"Saint" or "Villain"?
To the post World War 1 Germans he was a saint. He pulled the German nation out of a horrible depression and gave them back a sense of patriotic national pride. To them, at that time, he was a hero.
To the severely economically depressed German multitude, the rich, the moneylenders, many of whom were Jews were further depressing them. So the "take from the rich" seemed a very good idea. Sound familiar?
He made the moneyed class a target. But the moneyed class kept business and manufacturing operational. So He weakened his economic foundation, which became another very significant part of his downfall.
As he progressed, he became a villain, not only to the rest of the world, but to many of his own people.
I know a man who was 15, a German, when Hitler was gaining power. The SS was recruiting. They came to his home town looking for volunteers. Klaus was very excited and wanted to join.
His father told him that he did not look very well. That his health was suffering. Klaus told his father that he felt great, but his father insisted he visit the town doctor.
Klaus did as his father asked. The doctor gave him some "medicine." Klaus was so sick that he was unable to get out of bed for three days. By then the SS had moved on to another town.
To 15 year-old-Klaus, Hitler was a saint. To Klaus' father, he was a villain.
Hitler was a person with incredible personal charisma, In the "Occult Reich" the authors pointed out that many of Hitler's drastic early ideas were not well received by the German nobility and that Hitler personally met with high-ranking Germans and that these people, after a short audience with "The Leader" were convinced that he was right.
So, "Villain" or "Saint"? Depends on your perspective.
He was an adept, for a while, at using the Source, and the Source does not make judgments, it just follows energy.
answered 06 May '13, 07:59
Makes me wonder how historic books almost gloriously describe expansion of the Roman Empire. How they went on to subdue half of the European continent. Invaded and took over countries of other people, waged wars. Who writes this historic nonsense anyway and why so pompously. I'm sure Romans were evil to those who they took the land from. =)
(07 May '13, 02:56) CalonLan
This is a question about personal judgment, thus a question of how we perceive the world, which dimension we are living in, of what we believe in ...
here's what bashar has to say on the subject of judgement
here's what mel brooks has to say about hitler
it all depends which dimension you live in, which spin you tune into, which vibration that sparks you ...
answered 07 May '13, 03:09
I knew it was familiar lol e this I wanted to share :-D
(07 May '13, 06:12) CalonLan
It ain't no mystery, if it's politics or history...the thing you gotta know is, everything is showbiz :-D
(07 May '13, 06:39) CalonLan
yes @CalonLan "all the world's a stage, and all the men and women mere players; they have their exits and entrances, and one man in his time plays many parts, his acts being seven ages ..."
(07 May '13, 07:05) ru bis
@ru bis, exactly ^^. But the thing is, everyone is having fun watching the show. Yet they don't look at their own lives like one. What a contradiction.
Got debts and worry about paying them? Your spouse left you and broke your heart? Other things you consider troublesome that won't let you sleep? Great show! isn't it? That I consider real deal, when you look at your whole life, and laugh at everything just like you laugh when you watch someone's else show.
When we read a story, about a hero...
(07 May '13, 07:23) CalonLan
...who lived, did something great and died. We usually feel sweet and sentimental. We take it with a smile, comforting feeling, like a story.
But if someone close to us dies, why don't we take it like that as well. That's why I don't talk to others about topics like that. Because if I would, I would be like, wooot everyone close to me died? Ah haha, life sweet life.
(07 May '13, 07:32) CalonLan
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I am shocked at this question, I applaud BridgetJones09 answer. I believe Hitler was one of the lessor Anti-Christ. Not the main one yet to come but still very bad twisted man.
Jesus died for our sins, in other words this was his purpose and mission for us, the Jews picked Barabbas because they thought he was the messiah he claimed to be. He was going to kill all the Roman soldiers and set free the Jews from Roman occupation. He had lofty ideas that he couldn't fulfill, he bit off WAY more than he could chew with his grandiose dreams of vindication and liberation. In other words the Jews at that time picked the wrong guy, they wanted a Savior, they didn't want to hear of the kingdom of heaven when they were oppressed here on earth.
This was to be whether they picked Jesus or not he would still have been killed eventually probably much the same way, it was his end mission to save us. So to place fault and blame for something set out and planed by God himself is to disparage the salvation plan itself! This plan to be God's ultimate sacrifice for us to save us from the devil he gave himself clothed in all the world's sins for all time. He loves us so much he became what he hated most to save us, not only for our souls but our physical, mental and emotional well being.
answered 09 Aug '10, 21:39
I don't think anyone actually believed this justification.
answered 10 Aug '10, 20:23
(1) The Jews do NOT carry ALL the blame for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
The Jews delivered Jesus Christ to the Roman court, and the Roman court issued the verdict. Therefore, BOTH the Jews and Gentiles are responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. In His perfect wisdom, GOD allowed this circumstance to occur because Jesus Christ’s blood atonement for SIN was made for the WHOLE world (Jew and Gentile).
Observe the following Biblical declaration:
“For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.” [Acts 4:27,28]
Therefore, both Jews AND Gentiles share the blame. Calling the Jews “Christ-Killers” and justifying the genocide of 6 million Jews because they were “solely and collectively responsible for killing the Son of GOD” is INCORRECT.
(2) [Revelation 6:9,10] has absolutely NOTHING to do with Hitler.
These Bible verses have to do with the opening of the Fifth Seal. This is a FUTURE event which happens during the last 3 1/2 years of the 7-Year Tribulation. By this time, the Rapture of the invisible Body of Christ has already occurred. Thus, the Tribulation saints in these verses are in the process of enduring until the end and are being killed for standing true to the testimony of Jesus Christ. Specifically, this is the work of the Dragon (Satan) through the Beast (Anti-Christ) against Israel [Daniel 9:24-27][Matthew 24:15-22][Revelation 12:11,17]. There is also a physical altar and temple associated with these events. These martyrs are given their white robes of victory and are seen again in [Revelation 7:9-17]. This persecution of the saints is terminated and judged at the END of the 7-Year Tribulation with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ [Revelation 19:11-21; 20:4].
In relation to the FACTS of Biblical prophecy, Hitler was not “THE” Anti-Christ of the book of Revelation.
(3) Hitler was a ROMAN CATHOLIC.
a. Contrary to popular belief, Hitler was actually raised as a devout Catholic in a Catholic school where a Benedictine monk was the instructor. His Anti-Judaism doctrines were derived from studying the famous Catholic work “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” written by the Roman Catholic lawyer Maurice Joly. Hitler’s work [“Mein Kampf”] has never been and never will be placed on the Catholic Index of Prohibited Books. Hitler’s minister for ecclesiastical affairs was a Catholic priest named Joseph Roth. Hitler would never have assumed his political status without the help of the Catholic Church (Pope Pius XII). Between 1924 and 1932, Hitler honored Catholic concordances in Bavaria, Prussia, and Baden which removed equal privileges and civil rights for all Bible Believers. Hitler then installed “Catholicism” in the public schools as the only RELIGION approved by the state to be taught to German children. As a Roman Catholic, Hitler was a Religious “Christian” and NOT a Biblical Christian. For this reason, GOD, Jesus Christ, and the Bible should NOT be judged by the spiritual STUPIDITY that came out of Hitler’s mouth.
The following quote from “Mein Kampf” is just one example of the lunacy:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
This is the type of nonsense uttered by people that have no Biblical knowledge and understanding. GOD will always expose these people to be LIARS. If Hitler thought that he was doing “the work of the Lord” by hating and persecuting the Jew (or Israel), then Hitler had ROCKS in his head. Any “Christian” who shares Hitler’s beliefs is equally deluded and is NOT a Biblical Christian. GOD never commands the Biblical Christian to hate or persecute the Jew (or Israel). The Biblical Christian is commanded to HELP, LOVE, and PRAY for the Jew and Israel. By doing these things, the Biblical Christian’s testimony is used by GOD to provoke the Jews to jealousy and thereby encourage them to become BORN-AGAIN and saved through the blood atonement of their Messiah (Jesus Christ).
Observe the declarations of the Apostle Paul:
“Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they (the Jews) might be saved.” [Romans 10:1]
“I say then, Have they (the Jews) stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their (the Jews) fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them (the Jews) to jealousy. For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh (the Jews), and might save some of them (the Jews).” [Romans 11:11,13,14]
“As concerning the gospel, they (the Jews) are enemies for your (the Gentiles) sakes: but as touching the election, they (the Jews) are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For as ye (the Gentiles) in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their (the Jews) unbelief: Even so have these (the Jews) also now not believed, that through your (the Gentiles) mercy they (the Jews) also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all (Jews and Gentiles) in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all (Jews and Gentiles).” [Romans 11:28,30-32]
Historically, only Religious “Christianity” (which is FALSE “Christianity”) has hated and persecuted the Jew (or Israel). When the average Jew thinks of “Christians”, he thinks of ROMAN CATHOLICISM and GREEK ORTHODOXY. The Jews remember all the persecutions they suffered under the Inquisitions, the pogroms, the ghettos, and the concentration camps. They remember all these historical events, and they also remember that the people responsible for these events PROFESSED to be “Christians” belonging to the “true”(?!) church of GOD. I truly hope that any Jew reading these words will come to understand that ROMAN CATHOLICISM and GREEK ORTHODOXY is NOT Biblical Christianity.
b. Following the example of the historical “Holy Roman Empire”, one of Hitler’s goals was WORLD DOMINATION. However, if Hitler had an ounce of Bible knowledge, he would have noticed that NO man will ever sit on the throne of the global kingdom. As decreed by GOD, this privilege belongs ONLY to Jesus Christ Himself:
“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:” [Matthew 25:31-34]
c. During Hitler’s rule, Germany was known as the “Third Reich”. Hitler believed that he was destined to lead the third major reign of Germany proclaiming that it would endure for 1000 years. This proclamation makes a mockery of Jesus Christ’s Millennial Reign which will be established at His Second Coming:
“Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.” [Revelation 20:6]
In the end, Hitler’s “1000-Year Reign” only lasted 12 years (1933-1945). In contrast, according to GOD’s Words, Jesus Christ will actually reign and rule for the full 1000 years. Just 3 years after the Fall of Hitler’s Third Reich, Biblical prophecy was fulfilled when Israel became a nation in 1948. The same people that Hitler wanted to exterminate now had a NATION again.
d. Some people will debate the degree of Hitler’s devotion to Catholicism throughout his lifetime. However, in 1941, according to the diary of Nazi General Gerhart Engel, Hitler clearly stated the following:
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
In conclusion, Hitler: Saint or Villain?
My answer: Hitler was a VILLAIN… who knew absolutely NOTHING about the Bible.
Thanks for reading.
answered 13 Aug '10, 00:27
Villain.Is killing ever justified.Well yes if its for the greater good and it would save more lives then yes.If a police marksman has a fella with a bazooka in his sights and pulls the trigger then fair doos.HOWEVER killing 6 million people ( more in actual fact ) NOPE.I cant see any way even Hitler could twist the bible to justify this.It goes against the very nature of the Creator to destroy.He always builds,forgives and enlarges.Hitler did none of this,
answered 06 Sep '10, 15:15
So you think killing a bee is ok, but making the whole kind extinct is not? But the whole kind of bees is made of individual bees. So in other words their extinction can be justified by killing them one by one. Right?
Also, do you think if there wouldn't be anything wrong with the country, a fella with a bazooka would ever come to it? What reason would he had to threaten country that doesn't threaten him. Police or terrorist...by my definition, both are evil in different suits.
(07 May '13, 02:47) CalonLan
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The Jews didn't kill Christ. Christ likely didn't even 'die'.
Christ was killed by the Church because he was telling everyone the Church was a scam trying to sell salvation for souls they'd never lost in the first place.
History is written by the victors, and the rest is history..
One thing I have never understood is this haggling among Christians, Jews, and others over "who killed Christ."
If you read the Gospels, Christ makes it quite clear that he knew what was coming. He predicted it to a "t" right down to the guy who would betray him. And not only that, but he told everyone that he would return to life a few days afterwards...
So it doesn't really mattered "who killed Christ" because it seems pretty clear that Christ manifested his own death and resurrection.
If Christ wanted to "blame" anyone for killing him, he had ample time to do that when he returned to life. But other things were on his mind (and lips) apparently.
I guess not everyone got the message. :)
@ru bis, find me a question that isn't. hahaha.
@CalonLan i appreciate your capacity of deep insight my friend :)
@ru bis, I didn't meant to make you delete your previous comment. It was valid as any other comment. I only said that all questions, in their nature, are absurd. Comfort, is what people are looking for.
People ask question to find answers comforting their perception of the world. A clarification that they are right. that their life is valid not wasted. That it is meaningful not meaningless and all they are and sums up their existence matters somehow.
Someone asked me recently,...
...when speaking of my whatever approach towards life..."Don't you worry about how you gonna be remembered?"
It made me laugh, it's the same thing as "what others think of me right now"...but it's put into a bit greater picture of life. Or shall I say, past life. That's why it has notion of something big.
How often we discuss here, it shouldn't matter what others think of you. But take the same sentence and ask "what will your place in history be?" Suddenly, uuuh, my place in history!!...
@CalonLan i didn't delete the comment, i transformed it into an answer, i really do appreciate ♫♫♫ your deep insights :)
@ru bis, haha now I see. Silly me.
@CalonLan now we're getting somewhere ... same s**t, different spin :)
@ru bis, =) I'd say, always going somewhere, but getting nowhere.
With each step we reach our destination, yet we keep going. Crazy I know. haha.
Each breath we take is there alone, by itself. Each breath we take is a celebration of life. Do you hear cheering sound "heeeeeyyy" when you breath in? From breath to steps to moments. They're all same. If you can cheer for your breath, you can cheer for anything. Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey hahaha.