According to Buddhism, Hinduism, Hermeticism, and other religions/beliefs, once a human being attains enlightenment, he breaks out from the cycle of birth and death (Samsara) and doesn't reincarnate anymore. However, this seems to me somewhat contradictory with Bashar's statement that as time is illusory, there is no REincarnation, only multiple SIMULTANEOUS incarnations.
This would mean that my "future" incarnation already exists in the Now. Then how is it ever possible for its existence to depend upon whether I reach enlightenment in this particular lifetime or not? If the former statement is true, then if I become enlightened, after the death of my current physical body my Oversoul will not have any incarnations in the reality perceived by us as future. In this case, does it mean that my "future" incarnation, which exists Now in some other dimension, would stop existing after I become enlightened? This seems absurd to me.
But following this train of thought, this is the only thing my reasoning mind is able to suggest. Besides, if the first statement is true, then how it comes that there are so many awakened extraterrestrial beings, like Pleiadians, for example, who keep coming into physical existence?
And wouldn't this mean that Bashar himself would not exist because Darryl would possibly not "reincarnate" anymore? Either those two statements above don't go along with each other, or my reasoning is not correct (probably, the latter). I would be very thankful if you could clear this up for me. :)
Blessings to you all!!! ^_^
asked 08 Apr '15, 19:45
Moonlight 9, your question is both thought provoking and challenging. I don't know if my answer will help bring you closer to understanding this subject or add to the confusion that is inherent in any question that attempts to rely on the reasoning ability of the human brain to comprehend the simultaneous nature of our existence. Our physical 'reasoning' mind is born, raised, and develops within the realm of time and space and is therefore constrained by the limitations therein. Maybe this is something that an "enlightened" individual can comprehend. I will try to answer your question by approaching it from two significantly different perspectives, the 'human' perspective vs. the 'souls'.
Human beings do not reincarnate. Souls reincarnate. You are a soul, a non-physical 'energy essence personality'* that exists primarily in a reality not limited by the constraints of time and space. As souls, we make a choice to incarnate within constructs of time and space. We do it for the experience, for educational purposes, for the challenges, and mostly just for fun. We generally have a specific intent and purpose each time, usually related to our "soul" maturing processes. This maturing is probably the same process that human religions refer to as 'enlightenment'. When in our natural soul state, we will no longer think of ourselves as human beings. It is also unlikely that we will continue to think of ourselves as Christians, Buddhists, Hindus or party to any other human "ism".
You will, however, share with every other soul what can be summed up in the phrase "I am". From the non-physical perspective of the soul, the timeline that we as humans, see as past, present, and future might be (metaphorically) described as a sort of cosmic spiral staircase stretching infinitely in every direction within various modalities of space. The soul sees this structure in its entirety, where each step dated and teeming with living creatures, human and otherwise. The soul thus has a vast array of "places and "times" to choose from, to experience, and to play in, all at the same 'time' which, from the souls perspective, is always an ever present now.
As a soul I have the conscious awareness that I Am and that I alone create the reality that I perceive whether it be through human eyes or the vibrational patterns of energy in non-physical environments. With my thoughts, my beliefs and brushes of emotion, I paint my life and my reality on a canvas of time and space.
At some point, the souls' energy level becomes too great for a single human body to contain. It can, however, send portions of its energy into various "bodies" whereby it becomes an "oversoul" and is then able to experience multiple "lives" simultaneously in any number of realities, worlds, dimensions, and "time zones". This is currently the best explanation I can offer. I would only add one thing to consider about the concept of enlightenment and your expressed concerns related to this issue.
"According to Buddhism, Hinduism, Hermeticism, and other religions/beliefs, a human being breaks from the cycle of birth and death once he/she attains enlightenment....How is it ever possible for its existence to depend upon whether I reach enlightenment ... if I become enlightened, after the death .... does it mean that my "future" incarnation, which exists Now in some other dimension, would stop existing after I become enlightened?"
These religions are simply organized sets of beliefs. They are all valid in and of themselves; however, they will only affect your personal reality if you choose to adopt them individually or as a whole. That is your choice. By accepting these ideas as your own, they will become, for you, what Bashar calls a "permission slip". You will be giving yourself permission to leave this cycle of reincarnation provided you reach some undefined state of enlightenment which will likely require a massive amount of commitment on your part in this life or the next, or the next, or the next..... Personally, I'd suggest learning what you can from present day teachers such as Seth, (Jane Roberts) Bashar, (Daryl Anke) and Abraham (Esther Hicks).
answered 09 Apr '15, 01:39
Thank you a lot for your answer! I think yours was the one that resonated with me the most and broadened my perspective on this issue. Again, thanks! :)
(09 Apr '15, 11:46) moonlights9
@moonlight9 Your welcome. I did, however forget to mention one other author (a fully human one) that has something significant to add to this subject. Dr. Michael Newton has written two very fascinating books based on case studies that deal with the subject of life between lives. The titles are "Destiny of Souls" and "Journey of Souls". Both can be downloaded in PDF at no cost or can be purchased at Amazon. I am certain you would find his work to be quite interesting to say the least!
(10 Apr '15, 03:55) i4cim2b
I will definitely download and read them! Thanks for you suggestion :)
(10 Apr '15, 07:54) moonlights9
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why it is because he as reach a point that very fee have reach so they see it as the end of the travel. I agree that he is not bond or in bondage to this world. as for seeing it as end of reincarnation, he will do as he please. The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."
to make it simple to understand to people that need material example.
you see someone enlighten is like as someone that believed he was a car until he came to the knowledge and understanding he was a human in a car opened the car door went out to have a stroll got back in is home learned the truth and that he made the choice to go in the car before he got in the car and that the choice is alone to take and eventually came back to is car. and he can continue on the path in this world with many other people that still believe they are car. or he can stay in the home.
one should not see the reaching of a goal as end in it self there is always more thing to learn , experience and enjoy.
"Tell us how our end will be." Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."
the choice is yours you are made in the image of your creator. do you not believe that your creator as free will?
So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth."
Let there be light, be the light that you can be, experience and enjoy.
answered 09 Apr '15, 16:21
Are you really expecting a definitive answer beyond all doubts? Do you really believe anyone can ever produce such an answer, here or elsewhere?
If these things were knowable, don't you think someone would have written a nice little summary by now, along with all the necessary proofs?
And how would knowing the answer to such questions improve your life right now?
answered 09 Apr '15, 05:35
Dear cod2, Personally, I do not think that there is any question, to which we can get a definite answer beyond all doubts. Almost everything that we hold in our belief system can be questioned. I try to be as open-minded as I can and not to attach myself too strongly to any belief, as it might be proved wrong as new information is available. By asking this question I just want to see what other people's perspectives on this are, as they might suggest some ideas that I had not considered before.
(09 Apr '15, 12:20) moonlights9
... As for the last question, knowing a possible answer to this question would, to some degree, remove the discord I feel when I'm having two seemingly contradictory (from my third dimensional perspective) beliefs. In other words, to overcome the cognitive dissonance associated with these beliefs.
(09 Apr '15, 12:20) moonlights9
I would put my money on the major religions, rather than on the quotations of "channeled" beings such as Bashar, or the Pleiadians, for that matter. I have always been more than a little skeptical of such things, and I feel that relying on these "beings", who are the product of the minds of people who have much to gain with the addition of such sidekicks, to be problematic. Time is not illusory to those of us who live here in the real world. It is an essential part of keeping our existence ordered; we feel much more secure within a time frame. It scares me to think that this being thinks that time is "illusory"- maybe it is to him, since his existence is not the same as ours.
When people channel, I really think that they might be tapping into the same realm as the Native American shamen do when they do a quest or a healing. I am not saying that such realms do not exist, but I really doubt they exist separately from the human beings who are doing the questing. It would be as if a shaman heals a little girl of some bad disease, and then gives the credit to Nupez of the Planet Q in in the M33 cluster for the healing, rather than just telling the truth- that the healing came through him from other realms of his own existence.
What profit is there in having some alien sidekick telling us wisdom that is obvious and already evident in the many works and writings already out there? Evidently, a lot. But I think that it is confusing and not really very nice to claim to have contact with beings elsewhere, when it cannot be proved that these beings even exist. I know that everybody loves Seth, and all that stuff, but honestly, if you are finding these works confusing and contradictory, then maybe you should leave these sources alone for a while, and just stick to what is here on Earth, which is plenty enough.
Stick to what is real, friend, and keep your feet on the ground.
answered 09 Apr '15, 07:55
Leaving Bashar, Seth, Pleiadians or any other channelled being aside, humans like Charles F Haanel and Albert Einstein also agreed (or proposed the idea) that "Time is an illusion". A proper documentary has also been made to investigate this idea before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BjGWLJNPcA (proper scientific tests to try and prove it and logical deductions/analysis, though of course the results are still probably subjective at the moment)
(09 Apr '15, 11:12) kakaboo
Jesus, God and the teachings in the Bible can't exactly be proven that they exist before either, but that doesn't mean nothing good can be gotten out of them and that one should stick to what is real and keep their feet on the ground if they are confused by the teachings in the Bible right ? On the other hand, they should seek to clarify the teachings and then decide for themselves whether they should choose to accept it or not into their lives or belief systems.
(09 Apr '15, 11:14) kakaboo
Dear Jai, thank you for your answer. I agree with you that we cannot be 100% sure about the actual essence of those channelled beings. But still, regardless of whether Bashar really is an extraterrestrial from the future or is merely from another realm of Darryl's own existence, his teachings resonate with me a lot and help me to raise my vibration. So, I think it is not that important whether those beings are whoever they claim themselves to be or not...
(09 Apr '15, 12:45) moonlights9
...What is more important for me is how their teachings make me feel. (Besides, as Bashar claims himself to be Darryl's future incarnation, in this sense he is, in some way, another realm of Darryl's own existence). :)
(09 Apr '15, 12:45) moonlights9
I wish I had said it just the way that you just did... Beautifully put, and true! Can we swap??? Just kidding. Sometimes, I believe that we place so much importance on who says it, rather than on what is said and how it affects us and our reality. I have been seeing more and more "reverence" for these "beings" that say these important words, and less and less for the words themselves. I am very glad that you find what is being said helpful to you. ♥♥♥
(10 Apr '15, 04:02) Jaianniah
time exist because we human see it as something to calculate by second, minutes, hour, day, week , month, year etc... the human made those word to describe what they see the movement of the sun of planet etc... in a time frame. does any one in this world can say when it started or when it end? it is speculative at best. yes we use this (time) in this world to conform to our own created system. but that you worry to arrive on time or to finish the day on time, because you will lack the time -
(10 Apr '15, 05:25) white tiger
to do some other stuff that you want to do does it help you? or maybe you never arrive late and have the luck to never get stuck in traffic or other hazardous things of life in this world. the fact is that time is a unit of measure created and use by man kind. so does time really exist? if someone one day change the time on the clock all over the world would someone notice? do you also know that 365 day in a year is not a perfect number and that is why that some year we have more days?
(10 Apr '15, 05:33) white tiger
In astronomy, the Julian year is a unit of time, defined as 365.25 days of 86400 SI seconds each (no leap seconds), or 31557600 seconds total.the average length of a year is 365.25 days. In a non-leap year, there are 365 days, in a leap year there are 366 days. A leap year occurs every four years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year with out the movement of planet or material stuff would you know what time it is?
(10 Apr '15, 05:39) white tiger
what I can tell you is that the spirit once out of the flesh takes one of those worm hole once he leaves this world to get home. and that God know all the now from the beginning to the end and can show you that you made the choice to come to the world before you came to the world.
(10 Apr '15, 06:55) white tiger
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