Consider: or do you consider a belief to be something that is not so?

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Do you think that we all have inbuilt connection to God, but that we believe that we do not, and are we just expressing a belief, and not just a lack of belief?

The answer that I am looking for is: Can we choose to believe that we are separate from the ultimate Source to which we are connected?

asked 27 Mar '11, 06:53

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I miss Vee's way of asking questions

(03 Dec '13, 17:40) ursixx

"Can we choose to believe that we are separate from the ultimate Source to which we are connected?"

Yes, we have free will to choose whatever we want.

More importantly...can we ever be completely separated from that ultimate source?

I choose to believe matter how far we may seem to stray, I think we're always connected.


answered 27 Mar '11, 14:00

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Excellent answer, thank you!

(30 Mar '11, 06:39) Inactive User ♦♦

You're very welcome Vee :)

(31 Mar '11, 02:18) Michaela

Can we choose to believe?
That is the beauty of anything we have in our reality ,awareness, our lives.
It is the things we choose to believe.
Can we choose to believe that we are separate from something higher than ourselves?



answered 27 Mar '11, 11:33

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Interesting, thank you!

(30 Mar '11, 06:42) Inactive User ♦♦

No,,,, many atheists I have talked to( including my best freind) do not say that they do not believe in a creator, they say they have no hard core proof either way. In all fairness that isnt a fair question because as you know not all of them think alike. I know many christians. some of them believe that to judge and to discriminate against everyone, who do not believe as they do, is a christian thing to do. Others ( which is the group I agree with) believe that they should follow their teachers teachings (Jesus) and love and accept everyone, whether they agree with them or not. As I am sure you know not all of ANY group will EVER agree on one thing . it is sad in one perspective that as a race we cannot agree on anything but it is also refreshing to see that this is what makes us so great , the differences , no matter how large or small . :-) love n light, rob


answered 27 Mar '11, 17:39

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edited 27 Mar '11, 22:01

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We do all agree on one thing, it is the golden rule, but I call it the golden thread because it has it's place in every religion and group. There are a few sadistic people out there that are murderous, but the rest of the race agrees on this. Do unto others as you would want them to do to you.

(27 Mar '11, 17:48) Fairy Princess

yes. i do agree that most should do this, i am not against religion, i believe every one has a purpose and truths within them, i just think many of them are soooo far off of their origonal concepts

(27 Mar '11, 18:03) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-NE: I like your analogy, Thank you!

(30 Mar '11, 06:28) Inactive User ♦♦

you are very welcome :-) love n light

(30 Mar '11, 17:46) TReb Bor yit-NE

wow,. love these old ones, who is voting all these old ones up ? lol

(25 Jun '13, 22:22) TReb Bor yit-NE
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As one who's been brought up in a strictly atheistic household and had been one until quite recently I can tell you that we are unable to choose to believe that we are separate from the ultimate Source to which we are connected. How? simply because you're unable to choose something when it isn't even an option. How can you choose when you don't know what is out there to choose from? The fact that you're brought up by loving, tender parents who teach you to depend strictly on yourself and loved ones sets the boundaries and the blinders for you. The things that don't have a scientific/logical explanation are dismissed as superstitions.

My conscious was the equivalent of what people thought of as God. Say I hurt another, it would constantly torment me by replaying in my mind's eye the hurt look of that person. I couldn't run away from such images or the guilt and heartache they caused me. The only solution was making up for the pain I caused. So, my so-called conscious was as close to being connected to source as I got,without my knowledge of course!

thank you, namaste


answered 27 Mar '11, 18:27

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I also grew up in an atheistic household, Daniele, and I agree with you that belief was not an option, or something seriously considered. As Michaela mentioned, I was still connected to Source, however I had no consciousness of that at all. (One side of the family was very superstitious though!)

(27 Mar '11, 23:15) LeeAnn 1

Superstitious atheist? Very interesting :)

(28 Mar '11, 06:43) daniele

There was the evil eye, not complimenting babies, men not sitting on the ground lest they be sterile, women never stepping over a person, always bringing salt to a new home, knocking on wood and etc. Kind of funny!

(28 Mar '11, 13:27) LeeAnn 1

@daniele: your answer brought tears to my eyes, and I have learned a lot from reading your answer, thank you!

(30 Mar '11, 06:35) Inactive User ♦♦

Thank you, Vee! @LeeAnn, I would've loved having such a family member while growing up :)

(30 Mar '11, 07:07) daniele

Then there is the situation that I had where we went to church, said we believed in God, and then showed ABSOLUTELY NO FAITH WHATSOEVER IN THAT GOD>>>no praying, no discussions, no nothing...that is, to me, a sort of atheism-without-atheism!!! LOL! Jai

(06 May '11, 04:27) Jaianniah
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yes atheist is believing in nothing! so they blind them self to the truth it is the reverse of believing! on the veil of the mind someone that see something is belief can stop him from seing part of the truth! but atheist is a complete eye shutter they believe in nothing! the best is drop belief and experiance!

there is no worse blind then the man that does not want to see!


answered 06 May '11, 01:57

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edited 07 May '11, 04:17

I can relate to your point of view, and it is sad indeed. Thank you.

(07 May '11, 04:11) Inactive User ♦♦

no problem vee you are welcome!

(07 May '11, 04:15) white tiger

Here is a quote from Harry Palmer "We experience what we believe unless we believe we do not, in which case we don't, which means that we did."

In other words choosing to not believe in something is a personal choice of belief so it is replacing one belief for another. Example Man A believes in God, Man B believes there is no God. So both are expressing their own personal beliefs and living by and experiencing the results of their own personal beliefs.


answered 06 May '11, 04:18

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I like your quote, wonderful answer and well said. Thank you.

(07 May '11, 04:13) Inactive User ♦♦

You are welcome Vee I liked your question so one of those points is from me, also the star or a star depending on if have received more now. :-)

(07 May '11, 18:01) Wade Casaldi

♥It is very hard to understand what you are asking here; your question is worded in such a way that makes it hard to understand.

Let me rephrase the question the opposite way, to clarify: "Do you think that Atheism is considered to be a lack of faith?" This question, the opposite, asks if I consider Atheism to be a lack of Faith. Since atheism says that there is no God, it implies a lack of Faith in a God.

When we consider the opposite point, which is what you are asking, we see that what you are trying to ask is if Atheism means that One has no Faith. I believe that some Atheistic people have certain Faiths- the Sun will always rise; the Earth will always turn; we are sure to die; in fact, all things die; and so on.

It would be impossible to function if one could not depend on some certainties in life. A person would have no frame of reference for life- all would be chaos in the mind if those certainties as listed above were not there in the Mind.

This is a sort of Faith. It is a Faith in the physical world, and as such, it is Faith. Believing in the LOA and Manifesting implies a sort of Faith, with or without a God.

To my mind, then, Atheism is a sort of belief system- or, if you rather, a type of religion of its own. People may disagree, but I have met Atheists who believe in what they believe more strongly than any Muslim or Christian.

So, yes, Atheism is a sort of Faith of its own. The word "Faith" does not necessarily mean that God is the object of one's Faith.

I have left my own beliefs out of this discussion.


Jai ♥


answered 03 Dec '13, 23:15

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