Before God created man, He created angels. Lucifer's job was to reflect God's glory. Lucifer became proud and declared that he would rise above God. So God cast Lucifer down to earth. Lucifer took 1/3 of the angels with him. I don't know where it all is in the Bible. (I can look sometime and add it, but that's not what's important) So, if God made Lucifer to reflect God's glory, and Lucifer revolted, then isn't that demonstrating free will?

asked 17 Apr '11, 22:01

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Fairy Princess

Of course he is.

(18 Apr '11, 04:34) Vesuvius

It would also(if this were true) demonstrate that God created an imperfect and evil being.This being ,being outside of the Father and seperate from Him. Can anything exist outside of Source? If not then God has within His creation something He must find abhorrant. How does God deal with this.

(18 Apr '11, 08:49) Monty Riviera

When Lucifer was cast out of Heaven, one third of all the angels were cast out with him. (Rev.12:4,9) my 1st google hit

(18 Apr '11, 10:53) ursixx

I see ,but my point is that they (lucifer and co ) are now (according to this reasoning/source) outside of Source.How can anything be "OUTSIDE" of a being in whome we live and move and have our being.If there is anything outside of all that there is.....then all that there is, isnt ALL.My Gods just too big to co exist with a devil.But im well aware that others have a firm belief in this deity and i wouldnt want to take that away from them.

(18 Apr '11, 13:04) Monty Riviera

Lucifer became proud and declared that he would rise above God. So God cast Lucifer down to earth.

Can't imagine how many officers did Stalin sent to Siberia or sentenced them to death when they threatened to rise above him. Haha. Ah that irony.

(23 Aug '13, 10:22) CalonLan

Lucifer insisted on his sin and was arrogant thats why he was cast out from heaven.His free will lead him toward a wrong and negative path.

(27 Feb '14, 03:26) Zee
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It says somewhere in that verse
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. So is iniquity or unrighteousness the same as freewill?
I don't think so. I think the question is did God creator of all things create Lucifer's iniquity?
I like the Tao Te Chings take on demons


When you use the Way to conquer the world,
Your demons will lose their power to harm.
It is not that they lose their power as such,
But that they will not harm others;
Because they will not harm others,
You will not harm others:
When neither you nor your demons can do harm,
You will be at peace with them.

This quote clears a lot of things up for me. I avoid the bible and all of its contradictions.
I am confused enough most the time anyways.;)


answered 18 Apr '11, 11:20

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I like this Tao Te chappy.

(18 Apr '11, 13:39) Monty Riviera

I like the word "chappy". Just thought I'd mention that. :)

(22 Aug '13, 18:59) Grace

There are three energies involved that form an equilateral triangle, a triad, a chord of three tones

One third of the angels for Lucifer

One third of the angels for God

One third of the angels for Humans

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and in the world of vibrations, in the world of music a chord of three tones, especially one built on a given root tone (human) plus a major or minor third (lucifer) and a perfect fifth(god) ... five vibrations symbol of change, movement, liberty and detachment

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answered 26 Feb '14, 05:12

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edited 26 Feb '14, 06:58

God is Love, God created all beings out of love. In the Bible the words were changed. Lucifer is a Latin word as you may know, meaning Light-Bearer. The Bible is actually talking about a once great and proud King who became too proud and was smitten for his actions. The Bible was originally written in the Hebrew language, so a Latin name, Lucifer, is not of the original Bible. It was translated by MAN as such. Free Will!!! Man has free will to translate information into what we may believe to be right, but right in whose eyes?

So, God, Lucifer these entities I am not sure truly exists. I know something exists but it is beyond my comprehension. I believe if I do the right and follow the Laws Of Righteousness and The Laws Of The Universe I will live a decent life on Earth.

Someone once said Energy is energy, Man uses it positively or negatively,Good or Evil, God or Satan. You have "Free Will" to decide which path to pursue.


answered 18 Apr '11, 13:54

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"You have "Free Will" to decide which path to pursue." Thanks, I like it :)

(18 Apr '11, 14:20) Eddie

Me too,nice answer.

(19 Apr '11, 09:30) Monty Riviera

In Judaism there is no concept of a Satan opposite against the Singularity of the All. Satan is not a personage rather a principle of opposition that exists embedded within the human ego. Further, Lucifer is a Latin term from the Catholic Vulgate and does not exist in the Hebrew Bible. There are also no fallen angels in the Hebrew Bible nor in the Jewish tradition. These Demons and arch-demons that are fallen angel were adopted by Christianity from the Zoastrian religion.


answered 22 Aug '13, 18:36

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The Soul Group known as Lucifer (6th Density beings of Love & Light) was assigned by The Council of Elders the task of offering humanity the option of conscious self-awareness (Free Will) to assist in their spiritual evolution. The planetary Logos of Earth and the creator of human beings - Yahweh - wished to keep his children in blissful ignorance (Eden), which resulted in no evolution, no spiritual growth, and no option of 'knowing of oneself'. In a sense, Yahweh was a benign dictator, wishing his children to experience only love and bliss and harmony via a veil of ignorance. Have you read H.G. Wells' 'The Time Machine'? The Eloi are an analogy of Human Beings in Eden prior the arrival of the Luciferian Consciousness.

Yahweh's children existed and behaved in a mind-set that may be classified as 'enslaved positivity'. As there was no polarity in their singular 'reality' to know anything else, much less an option to experience Free Will to choose polarity, a polar opposite was implemented as a catalyst.

As Yahweh is the Creator of this planetary Logos and is aware his children are not evolving, Yahweh reluctantly agrees to the catalyst Lucifer will provide -- Free Will. It must be noted that many 'gods' have egos, and Yahweh most certainly does. Yahweh has Free Will be does not wish his children to have it. Yahweh agreed to the catalyst of Free Will because he thought his children would obey his word. When they did not, Yahweh grew angry and cursed his children and the Lucifer Group, enslaving both to the Wheel of Karma and repeated incarnation.

Yahweh is no god, but a creator; a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a subsidiary Logos. And he is very jealous and angry at us and Lucifer. As fractals of Yahweh, so are we; and so we must learn unconditional love and to be of service to others.

As the Luciferian Soul Group is of Light and Love and Oneness, one can only imagine the inner turmoil these souls have to endure spiritually (not physically) to play the role of total service to self and negativity, in order for us to choose and advance.

Lucifer has been doing its job very well: spreading negativity. Enslaved by Yahweh in the 3rd density (actually the vehicles they inhabit are in the 3rd density, but their consciousness is confined in the Astral Plane), the Lucifer Group must complete their task of spreading as much negativity as possible and by attaining a 95% negative polarity amongst their own kind, not us.

Does Lucifer have Free Will? On Earth he does due to planetary Law. But the Family those of the Luciferian Soul Group incarnate into have strict Oaths which must be followed; and they are all indoctrinated and given harsh and rigorous training at a very young age to assure loyalty.

Does Lucifer have a choice to be positive? Absolutely not. Lucifer has a job to do and wants to graduate to 4th Density Negative, in order to clear the negative karma he created on this planet. Only be so doing can Lucifer return to his former place as 6th Density Guardian of his Galaxy. If Lucifer does not fulfill the job he will be trapped in another 3rd Density cycle with all the negative polarity humans and the polarity betwixt-and-betweeners.


answered 25 Feb '14, 06:12

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edited 28 Feb '14, 20:24

Yes, it is an expression of free-will.

God is Love and we glorify God by being loving to others (Matthew 5:43-48). We can choose not to glorify God but there are consequences for all of our actions. If we choose to live in hatred and violence then we will take on the consequences of that. Those who live by the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26:52), a violent person creates much trouble and violence in their life.


answered 26 Feb '14, 03:42

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Your question points to the age old paradoxical hot potato, "If everything is preordained, do we (including Lucifer) have free will"?

I submit that the Bible and many other religious works describes a 4d or higher reality. We are in a 3d reality. What appears to be paradoxical to our reality is obvious in a 4d reality.

I, of course surmise with this tesseract-i-cal pushed 3d logic. <grin>

Read the 23rd chapter of Revelations. The answer is there.


answered 26 Feb '14, 18:06

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Dollar Bill

The 0th dimension is just pure existence. 1st dimension has some movement happening. The closer you get to the 0th dimension, the closer you get to the Root of all life which is the Metaphorical soil that allows all life to grow.

4th dimension would be more in the sky than on the soil grounded to The Source of All Life.

(27 Feb '14, 18:43) arpgme

Whatever you want to call it is immaterial to me. Don't confuse the chalk on the blackboard with the words represented.

(28 Feb '14, 08:07) Dollar Bill
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