If People have a chance to go on an ascension in 2012, can I go with them? Will I be able to be part of the new consciousness or the rapture or will I be left behind. Will I flourish if left behind. You may not have any more information than me but I would like your input.

asked 06 Feb '12, 02:36

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edited 06 Feb '12, 04:06

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According to some recent recordings from The Pleiadian Collective, the first "ascension" has already happened.

They are saying we are currently already in the 4th dimension (within the past several months, I think) but many of us are still choosing to interpret it as the 3rd dimension.

A couple of points before going further with this answer...

  1. Different beings/people choose to interpret the words dimension and density in different ways, which can be a bit confusing. So you need to get a clear understanding of how a particular teacher is using those words before you can interpret what they mean by them. The Pleiadian Collective choose to say we have just moved from the 3rd Dimension to the 4th Dimension (and will be moving to the 5th Dimension within the next 70 years or so). They say that they themselves exist in the 9th Dimension.
  2. The "You" that is reading this answer right now is focused in a universe ("a timeline") where this shift has happened - because otherwise this answer wouldn't exist for you to read it - but that doesn't mean that there are not other "You's" existing in other universes where they did not go along with the shift and are thus experiencing radically different realities.

The Pleiadian Collective say that the real transition is the ascension from the 3rd Dimension to the 5th Dimension but because that would be too much of a "jump" in one go, we are choosing to experience a period (of around 70 years) within the 4th Dimension.

The 4th Dimension, they say, is malleable enough to allow those who wish to continue to experience a 3rd Dimensional reality the opportunity to continue to do so (for a while) and those who wish to experience (now) a 5th Dimensional reality the opportunity to do so.

So the 4th Dimension is really a "stop gap" - a place to catch your breath - before the next ascension.

They also say that 2012 is not a hard date, it's just a reminder we gave to ourselves from our broader perspectives that this shift was happening. It's similar to the idea of giving yourself a deadline to start work on a project that you know has to be completed some time in the future.

Since so many people leave everything until the last minute, the artificial deadline at least gives you the impetus to get started :)


answered 06 Feb '12, 08:22

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edited 06 Feb '12, 08:26


@Stingray, I realize it can be difficult to explain things especially if you have a lot of knowledge. But, what is the 4th Dimension?

(06 Feb '12, 21:42) Tom

I may have asked the $64,000 Question. I have some study to comprehend all this.

(06 Feb '12, 22:17) Tom

@Tom - It can be confusing because different teachers use dimension and density in slightly different ways and you have to adjust your interpretations accordingly. The Bashar link in Eddie's post is excellent. Also take a look at What are densities? . The Pleiadian Collective terminology is broadly explained here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOKIA9jgAIE

(07 Feb '12, 06:14) Stingray

@Tom - If you basically understand that we've "gone up a level" (regardless of how you label that level) then you'll understand what the Pleiadian Collective are talking about but a tricky aspect to bear in mind is that higher does not mean better, it just means different

(07 Feb '12, 06:17) Stingray

Also, take a look at this diagram courtesy of @TReb Bor yit-NE : http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j364/trebboryitne/Density_and_Dimensions_3-1.png which is not the same as The Pleiadian Collective terminology (which defines the levels differently) but the diagram gives you that sense of there being different "levels" to reality

(07 Feb '12, 06:33) Stingray

@Stingray thanks for your patients and links

(07 Feb '12, 07:17) Tom

@ tom, if u have issues with densities and deminsions, please watch these 2 vids, it is a great explination for begginers



(07 Feb '12, 08:29) TReb Bor yit-NE

@ stingray , ty, I had forgotten that I sahred that here, and also i have the links to vids that expalin that as well in my discrition bellow, the last 2.

(07 Feb '12, 08:34) TReb Bor yit-NE
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Hi Tom, there are many interpretations of ascension. How do you define ascension?

In my view ascension means to shift from one perspective or point of view to another. While we're currently experiencing reality from the 4 dimensional, 3rd density perspective, as a species, we're ascending or raising our vibrational frequency to the 5 dimensional, 4th density reality perspective.

The 5 dimensional point of view means we'll be aware of existing in more than one dimension at once. And the 4th density is concerning physical matter being less dense and thus more malleable than in the 3rd density.

Bashar elaborates on the definition of dimensions and density in this 8 minute video.

Ascension is an ongoing process and not limited to 2012. We're becoming aware of the idea of ascension because in this reality at this timing, that's what we've come here to experience.

Because we create our own reality, anyone who chooses to will experience ascension. Of course, if you refuse to believe it and you choose to insist on physical reality being the one and only fixed, solid and real reality, like we did prior to the idea of quantum physics, that's your choice and as such, you probably won't allow yourself to experience the idea of ascension in this particular life experience.

Again, in my opinion, which is my view, there are several areas in a person’s life that they need to understand prior to even being interested in the idea of ascension. Understanding the nature of ego is normally a big step, which includes forgiveness, compassion and unconditional love. And realizing that we are our higher self and surrendering to it is another biggie.

Because you, and anyone else, who's inquiring into the true nature of reality, through asking and answering questions on forums such as IQ or even privately, and this particular life experience being the transformational life; I'd say that you're good to go my friend :)


answered 06 Feb '12, 05:02

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edited 06 Feb '12, 21:11


@Eddie, What the Sam, lol, It seems like I need to get in touch with the idea of possibilities. Limitless possibilities, I may have already ascended some in the last 10 minutes. HEHE. So if reality is that malleable maybe I better get busy choosing the reality I wish to enjoy. Thank you again. I will be asking more questions later.

(06 Feb '12, 22:54) Tom

Hi Tom, check out the Bashar link above. His explanation simplifies understanding dimensions and densities and resonates with me a lot :)

(06 Feb '12, 23:31) Eddie

@Eddie I did thanks.

(06 Feb '12, 23:38) Tom

@ eddie, please letr me know if these are simlified well enough too if u wish too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMyCrfHXZzs , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxeDQLXc3A4

(07 Feb '12, 08:30) TReb Bor yit-NE

Drop the fear, you will not be where you do not need to be. You do not have to force yourself to be good, or bad. You do what you do, to be who you are, and you will be where you need to be. This is the greatest piece of advice of ascension that I can give for anyone. Treb Bor yit-Ne - Capella

(07 Feb '12, 08:43) TReb Bor yit-NE
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his there a time to do something good for your self? you have free will and you are the one making the choice. why say there will be ascension in 2012? it could be at anny given time. real change comes from with in by your choices. what happens outside is a mix of every one free will. some go up, some stay where they are, and some go down. but should all that affect you and your choice? if the world change for the better good. if it stay the same well we will have to keep up the good work and if it goes to hell you can make the choice to not follow it. so experience and enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHyRMP5-Bq8 if this is what you are refering to some people all ready do some of this. so it will not change annything much. and even if we have a boost in are skill it will just be something to master and it will take time. so i do not think that it will change all from one thing to the other it will be a process like evolution. so why worry about what could come? should you not rater worry at what you all ready have and if you are making the best use of it?

also you could listen to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBEG_EjlSZU&feature=watch_response you see you have free will and should use it to the best of your ability for your self and other. be the light that you are . experience and enjoy.

you should also look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=ElrXrE8AmIc it will awake you a little more. experience and enjoy.

also you might like that one also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4L358ctVro&feature=related yes all that he say his true but if all people agree on something does it not mean that their is something true in all this even if some change their version and are not honest about it for the sake of making money. if people do not see that they are in it to make money and they trust them because they are popular it is their problem after all. but people should seek their own truth for them self that is what people should do above all. I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. Romans 16:19 Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil. Luke 10:3 Go! I am sending you out like lambs among wolves. http://bible.cc/matthew/10-16.htm

Jesus said: Teach me concerning this stone which the builders rejected; it is the corner stone.

Jesus said: Why came ye forth into the field? To see reed shaken by the wind? And to see a man clothed in soft raiment? [Behold, your] kings and your great men are they who are clothed in soft [raiment], and they [shall] not be able to know the truth.

Jesus said: He who has known the world has found the body, and he who has found the body, the world is not worthy of him.

Jesus said: Seek, and ye shall find; but those things concerning which ye asked me in those days, I did not tell you then. Now I wish to tell them, and ye seek not after them.

Jesus [said]: He who seeks shall find, and he who knocks to him it shall be opened.

Jesus said: He who seeks, let him not cease seeking until he finds; and when he finds he will be troubled, and if he is troubled, he will be amazed, and he will reign over the All.

Jesus said: What thou shalt hear in thine ear, proclaim to the other ear on your rooftops. For no man lights a lamp and sets it under a bushel, nor does he put it in a hidden place; but he sets it upon the lamp-stand, that all who go in and come out may see its light.

Jesus said: If a blind man lead a blind man, both fall into a pit.

Jesus said: Many times have you desired to hear these words which I speak unto you, and you have none other from whom to hear them. The day will come when you will seek after me, and you will not find me.



answered 06 Feb '12, 03:17

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white tiger

edited 06 Feb '12, 04:54


White Tiger - "be the light that you are".... love that......

(06 Feb '12, 04:06) ele

All came forth from the light of the whole world THERE is light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world. If it does not shine, it is dark. 24

Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there." 77 ◊


(06 Feb '12, 05:04) white tiger

Just a general note for 2012.....

Alot of psychics are commenting that 2012 is a huge year of karma. In terms of the 'end of the world', this is loosely fitted to describe the huge personal, spiritual transformations every individual is going to go through. Apparently it's been spoken that in 2012, the entire vibration of the planet is going to raise dramatically. People are going to be put through deep lessons.

I for myself, have been put through brutal challenges already this year, and come out better on the other end. It's an exciting year in my opinion. Everyone is going to have a brand new start to their own personal reality, and so it seems this is defianlty living up to its standards with my life and many people I know.....


answered 06 Feb '12, 06:35

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in what my source speaks of there are many channers who say it will be huge changes in many ways, and that is true TO AN EXTENT . Here is what my source explains of the missconceptions of the whole 2012 senerio.

TReb Bor yit-NE channeling - dispelling all the 2012 myths -


and also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwgsXRPgECI#t=3m41s ( @ 3m 45s )

and for those who do not understand assesnsion or why or what happens durring this , we have working on a density series that explains this as well



and as last peice of advice from my source for those who worry, " will i assend? will i go positive or negitive?" here is a small bit for you. ------ "Drop the fear, you will not be where you do not need to be. You do not have to force yourself to be good, or bad. You do what you do, to be who you are, and you will be where you need to be. This is the greatest piece of advice of ascension that I can give for anyone."

Treb Bor yit-Ne Capella

love n light,



answered 07 Feb '12, 08:25

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TReb Bor yit-NE

edited 07 Feb '12, 08:45

On the subject of ascension, browsing the internet i just came across an article explaining that ascension can be of two kinds, spiritual and physical ... there are also two stages involved translation and transfiguration, here is the complete explication;


have fun :)


answered 07 Feb '12, 10:53

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