I'm intrigued by a recent discussion on how siphons work;

None of these scientists directly mentions subtle energies, yet our physical world could not exist without them ... would a clear explication of how siphons work, including the part played by subtle energies, open the doorway to explaining how levitation is possible ?

asked 06 Feb '12, 05:13

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blubird two

edited 06 Feb '12, 05:22

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Barry Allen ♦♦

@blubird two - Very interesting, thanks. I'm sure I was even taught at school that siphons operated because of atmospheric pressure.

(06 Feb '12, 07:23) Stingray

Atmospheric pressure is the force per unit area exerted into a surface by the weight of air above that surface in the atmosphere of Earth (or that of another planet). In most circumstances atmospheric pressure is closely approximated by the hydrostatic pressure caused by the weight of air above the measurement point.

(06 Feb '12, 20:24) white tiger

if it has weight his it not because of gravity? so the atmosheric pressure is the weight it has in relation to gravity his it not?

(06 Feb '12, 20:25) white tiger

Gravitation, or gravity, is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass. Gravitation is most familiar as the agent that gives weight to objects with mass and causes them to fall to the ground when dropped. Gravitation causes dispersed matter to coalesce, and coalesced matter to remain intact, thus accounting for the existence of the Earth, the Sun, and most of the macroscopic objects in the universe.

(06 Feb '12, 20:29) white tiger

Gravitation is responsible for keeping the Earth and the other planets in their orbits around the Sun; for keeping the Moon in its orbit around the Earth; for the formation of tides; for natural convection, by which fluid flow occurs under the influence of a density gradient and gravity; for heating the interiors of forming stars and planets to very high temperatures; and for various other phenomena observed on Earth.

(06 Feb '12, 20:29) white tiger

Gravitation is one of the four fundamental interactions of nature, along with electromagnetism, and the nuclear strong force and weak force. Modern physics describes gravitation using the general theory of relativity by Einstein, in which it is a consequence of the curvature of spacetime governing the motion of inertial objects. The simpler Newton's law of universal gravitation provides an accurate approximation for most physical situations.

(06 Feb '12, 20:29) white tiger

In general relativity, the effects of gravitation are ascribed to spacetime curvature instead of a force. The starting point for general relativity is the equivalence principle, which equates free fall with inertial motion, and describes free-falling inertial objects as being accelerated relative to non-inertial observers on the ground.[7][8] In Newtonian physics, however, no such acceleration can occur unless at least one of the objects is being operated on by a force.

(06 Feb '12, 20:34) white tiger

Einstein proposed that spacetime is curved by matter, and that free-falling objects are moving along locally straight paths in curved spacetime. These straight paths are called geodesics. Like Newton's first law of motion, Einstein's theory states that if a force is applied on an object, it would deviate from a geodesic.

(06 Feb '12, 20:35) white tiger

For instance, we are no longer following geodesics while standing because the mechanical resistance of the Earth exerts an upward force on us, and we are non-inertial on the ground as a result. This explains why moving along the geodesics in spacetime is considered inertial.

(06 Feb '12, 20:35) white tiger

so when you use a vacum or a centrifuge force to create a vortex then the spinning line in the vortex would be spacetime curvature applied by displacement of force that his created.his it not?

(06 Feb '12, 20:38) white tiger

Gravity and quantum mechanicsMain articles: Graviton and Quantum gravity In the decades after the discovery of general relativity it was realized that general relativity is incompatible with quantum mechanics.[17] It is possible to describe gravity in the framework of quantum field theory like the other fundamental forces, such that the attractive force of gravity arises due to exchange of virtual gravitons, in the same way as the electromagnetic force arises from exchange of virtual photons

(06 Feb '12, 20:43) white tiger

.[18][19] This reproduces general relativity in the classical limit. However, this approach fails at short distances of the order of the Planck length,[17] where a more complete theory of quantum gravity (or a new approach to quantum mechanics) is required. Many believe the complete theory to be string theory,[20] or more currently M-theory, and, on the other hand, it may be a background independent theory such as loop quantum gravity or causal dynamical triangulation.

(06 Feb '12, 20:43) white tiger

it seams that they have encounter a wall dealing with gravity at the quantum level? what his the weight of a photon? does energy have a mass? or his it just a dance or sharing interaction between energy using the law of the less resistance?

(06 Feb '12, 20:55) white tiger

In physics, a photon is an elementary particle, the quantum of light and all other forms of electromagnetic radiation, and the force carrier for the electromagnetic force. The effects of this force are easily observable at both the microscopic and macroscopic level, because the photon has no rest mass; this allows for interactions at long distances.

(06 Feb '12, 21:02) white tiger

Like all elementary particles, photons are currently best explained by quantum mechanics and exhibit wave–particle duality, exhibiting properties of both waves and particles. For example, a single photon may be refracted by a lens or exhibit wave interference with itself, but also act as a particle giving a definite result when its position is measured.

(06 Feb '12, 21:02) white tiger

@white tiger - thanks for the info ... however after realizing that the definition of how a siphon works is now under question perhaps it would be wise not to take all the info on internet as being correct ?

(06 Feb '12, 23:58) blubird two

I would have to agree with @blubird two - if the established belief system regarding how syphons work has been shown to be incomplete then there is little point using it as "proof" :) Plus @white tiger, instead of duplicating Wikipedia on IQ, why not just give us the single links instead? Most of us here have learned how to use web browsers :)

(08 Feb '12, 07:09) Stingray

What about birds? Wouldn't finally understanding how birds can fly and being able to replicate it help one to levitate too ? Yeah I know there are probably explanations on how birds can fly but they are not very convincing (at least to me)

(11 Feb '12, 05:07) kakaboo

@kakaboo - well, i do believe that winged vehicles capable of flight already exist, we generally name them airplanes :)

(11 Feb '12, 07:15) blubird two

@blubird two - Yes, but just because something can fly is not going to convince @kakaboo that it really can ;)

(11 Feb '12, 07:25) Stingray
(11 Feb '12, 16:57) white tiger

@bluebird two - yep of course I know airplanes exist.. I was talking about things being able to fly without any engines or extra energy at all(like birds). @Stingray- thats a good one..

(11 Feb '12, 20:23) kakaboo
(11 Feb '12, 23:04) blubird two

what tell you that bird do not have extra energy to make those wings move?

(14 Feb '12, 19:40) white tiger

@white tiger - good point, nature still has many secrets ...

(14 Feb '12, 23:42) blubird two
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Let's make a list of all the conditions necessary for a water siphon to work in normal atmospheric conditions;

  • an electromagnetic field (EMF), more commonly known as gravity
  • two fluid mediums of different densities, in this case water and air
  • a circuit allowing free flow of water and air between two reservoirs
  • the two reservoirs must be at different distances from the source of the EMF
  • the two reservoirs contain water and are joined by a conducting tube full of water

A simple demonstration of a vortex in a bottle shows that the fluid substances, air and water, are flowing simultaneously in opposite directions forming a circuit and also shows that rotating fluid is necessary to form a vortex.


The denser fluid, water, flows in the direction of the pulling force (gravity) ... the lesser dense fluid, air, flows against the direction of the pulling force (gravity).

Imagine what would happen if a huge planet much larger than the earth approaches, at some point the two gravitational pulls would be equal, and everything would be weightless, if the huge planet moves in slightly closer, the electromagnetic field of the earth would be overcome and everything would be sucked into the space ... in other words the electromagnetic field of the earth that we name gravity is relative and reversible.

Localized magnetic fields produce anti-gravity effect, here is a photo of a frog being levitated in a strong magnetic field


In a strong enough localized electromagnetic field within a closed environment the siphon experiment could be shown to work upside down, that is, against gravity.

This is surely how a waterspout works, natural forces have temporarily and locally inversed the electromagnetic field


have fun :)


answered 07 Feb '12, 00:39

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blubird two

edited 13 Feb '12, 11:48

Cool looking forwards to more to come!

(08 Feb '12, 17:23) Wade Casaldi

http://www.narutoget.com/watch/751-naruto-shippuden-episode-55-english-dubbed/ 2 energy grinding each other and starting a spiral motion. experience and enjoy. also it seams that gravity explain why it spin one side or the other in the toilete flashing in the x files. also you might like this movie: http://www.narutoget.com/watch/247-naruto-episode-87-english-dubbed/ experience and enjoy. also i might add that a siphon is created by rotating energy. and the centrifuge force expel things on the side. and that the wide part is on top because there is less presure there. and the lower part is more narrow because there is more pressure there. make your self a hot chocolate and spin the spoon observe what happens. also i will state that doing that experiment the liquid is not going anny where so gravity is not causing it you are by making a displacement of energy that create a centrifuge force. the example with gravity would be a bathup that you pull the plug the force of gravity swallow the water and create a spinning motion with the atmospheric pressure. try it. experience and enjoy.


answered 06 Feb '12, 05:25

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white tiger

edited 06 Feb '12, 06:51

has for your levittion question it would be the opposite of a siphon meaning the base would be wide the top narrow. and the gravity and atmospheric force would go up ward. then you would flot on top of that energy to lift you up. or another thing would be the same siphon with the normal law but you would have to walk on the side of the edge to not fall in or out but good luck with that. or you could fly on top of a tornado with a bench with a propeller that would turn using the force of the

(06 Feb '12, 09:39) white tiger

tornado good luck building one.

(06 Feb '12, 09:39) white tiger

RotationTornadoes normally rotate cyclonically in direction (counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere, clockwise in the southern). like i said gravity in x files. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado

(06 Feb '12, 20:23) white tiger
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In Germany during WWII there was a scientist that was working on flying disc craft technology. This worked on the vortex principle for anti-gravity. This craft could out fly and out maneuver any jet or helicopter. The scientist name was Victor Schauberger. Here a link to his work.



answered 06 Feb '12, 10:24

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Wade Casaldi

Cool you seem to understand this better than I do Blubird. :-)

(06 Feb '12, 23:58) Wade Casaldi
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