We identify so much with what we believe, that in our day to day encounters with "life" our reaction to so many situations are involuntarily triggered by this harmony or disharmony against what we believe within ourselves; which then translates into anger, laughter, agreement, disagreement, irritation, inspiration and so on.
If you agree with this premise, can you find the middle path by starting to question every thing you know, and open up to everything that you have rejected.
Will you lose yourself by not taking a stand on anything?
asked 27 Feb '10, 18:47
Barry Allen ♦♦
I think that is what the whole spiritual journey is about. Only when we begin to start questioning everything and opening up to new possibilities do we begin to grow. We become more open and accepting and in the process a whole new world of possibilities begins to open up to us which we were not able to see before from our limited way of thinking, because we were too attached to our old, fixed set of beliefs. We begin moving from a stagnant perspective and a whole new spectrum of thoughts and ideas become available to us - the walls begin to crumble and the world becomes our oyster. We are no longer automatically accepting what we are told but are being offered a wide array of beliefs to choose from and we realize that we can accept whatever 'feels' right with us and leave the rest by the wayside.
As we gradually let go of our old limiting beliefs, our perceptions of others begin to change to - what used to trigger a reaction from us no longer seems important and we start to realize that others are often functioning from fear, determined by their own limited beliefs. As a result we become more compassionate and no longer judge others - everyone is doing the best they can from where their own state of awareness is right now.
And rather than losing ourselves, I think for the first time in our lives, some of us actually begin to find ourselves.
answered 27 Feb '10, 19:10
I love the though you put into answering this. "Moving from a stagnant perspective to new possibilities" and the "more compassion towards others" are great observations. Thanks for your answer!
(28 Feb '10, 01:00) The Traveller
Michaela, I noticed your last comment that you edited in. That last line is exactly what I was searching in others. I'm glad you made that point!
(28 Feb '10, 01:29) The Traveller
Michaela, I picked your response because of all the areas you dealt with. They are the exact combination of thoughts that were within me when I asked the question.
(01 Mar '10, 11:38) The Traveller
Thanks Traveller:-) - question was a good one and so were all the answers.
(01 Mar '10, 12:33) Michaela
I agree with you Michaela
(24 Mar '12, 07:41) Perfection
(24 Mar '12, 19:54) TheBeardedDragon
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If you question everything you believe you will soon figure out that a belief is a truth that you have accepted for yourself. You made a choice either conscious or unconscious to accept something as true and you figure out that you could also make the choice to reject the same thing as false. You will also figure out that you are what you believe so you decide to change the beliefs that don't benefit to beliefs that do. If you question everything you believe, you are on the path of mindfulness.
If you say you can or you can't you're right.
answered 28 Feb '10, 00:25
Love the deep observation! That’s exactly It isn’t it? It doesn't matter how much evidence exist to support the "truth" of something. What matters is where do you stand? Or to go deeper, how does that affect you? Thanks for your response!
(28 Feb '10, 01:15) The Traveller
Thank for your question. So, I think that questioning affects you in a way which opens the door to self empowerment,and a life guided by your higher self. Present moment awareness always. Make it a project, to question your self about why you do what you do, and ask your self how do your choices feel? How often do you smile? Are your beliefs allowing you to smile? I believe that life is here for me. I love it and it loves me. I believe I am one with the Universe. This makes me smile, and deeply thankful everyday.
(01 Mar '10, 00:54) Brian
I like and appreciate your response Brian. Thank you!
(24 Mar '12, 09:16) figure8shape
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Good question Traveller, this was the point I was trying to make with the 8 sided pyramid question. Great answers all.
This uncomfortable (at times) method will lead you round in circles till you arrive at the centre, a place from which you cannot err.
answered 28 Feb '10, 23:52
Inactive User ♦♦
This is exactly what Avatar does, and I do mean everything like for instance "you call a chair a chair because that is what you were told to call it, how would you describe it without labels that you were taught?"
"It has four legs", wait a moment what are legs, something else you were told another label.
"It is made out of wood", what is wood another label for something.
This is designed to break you out of old thought from subjectivity into complete objectivity.
That is only one exercise out of very many.
You have to do the exercises to be awakened, you will not just do this for one thing but everything eventually you find yourself again and again coming to nothing. But guess what? Nothing is a label and what if we got it wrong and nothing was something and something was nothing?
answered 27 Feb '10, 22:42
I haven't heard about the "Avatar" self development program. So I am glad that you are able to share information about it here. From your description it sounds like a great adventure of realization. Some really deep stuff here. (I did check out the link). Looks like I will return to this site again. Thanks for sharing.
(28 Feb '10, 01:08) The Traveller
You are very welcomed, I have sent a bunch of Avatar links over here. I'll repost just for you. http://www.avatarepc.com/html/journal.html ... http://www.avataroverdrive.com/harrypsb2.html ... http://www.avatarepc.com/
(28 Feb '10, 10:46) Wade Casaldi
Harry Palmer went into a sensory deprivation tank and came out awakened and wrote these lessons. It is all in the book Living Deliberately.
(28 Feb '10, 10:49) Wade Casaldi
Objectivity? No such thing.
(08 Dec '10, 08:27) Hu Ra
@Hu Ra here is an Avatar link on Objective vs Subjective http://www.avatarepc.com/html/harry12-1.html
(24 Mar '12, 20:51) Wade Casaldi
Through practicing this I have discovered that everything I believe is false and that there is no truth. The process continues, even now. Sometimes it feels terrifying and sometimes it feels uplifting. Doesn't matter either way. There is no truth and that realization feels so liberating that I don't care if 'i' and 'I' get into disagreements sometimes.
The 'middle path' needs no discovering just uncovering. And yes, it's uncovered by questioning beliefs until no beliefs remain.
I still take a stand when I feel like doing so; I know that it doesn't matter either way. I never had a self, only an illusion.
answered 08 Dec '10, 08:35
if all we see is only half or one third of what there is and take our stand on that limited knowledge, then our beliefs are most likely short of the truth. so until we get it we are in an illusion.
(09 Dec '10, 01:04) fred
WE is an illusion. I is an illusion. You are an illusion.
(09 Dec '10, 01:44) Hu Ra
if by using the concept of illusion as being more than meets the human eye or what our other senses perceive, then i'd say your comment is correct. if you may be indicating that we are not at all real or existing then i'd have to disagree
(11 Dec '10, 15:02) fred
Can you prove reality? All changes and fades away, nothing lasts and everything disappears at death. How can anything here be 'real'?
(11 Dec '10, 17:42) Hu Ra
Here is an Avatar article you might like. http://www.avatarepc.com/html/harry8-4.html
(24 Mar '12, 20:28) Wade Casaldi
We are given colored lenses from our parents and early life experiences through which to see the world. So our perspective was given to us from someone else who was given it to them by someone else, etc... Parents, as well as other 'leaders', use lies and distortions of truth to manipulate people. These lies become reality to the one being lied to if they believe the person telling the lies (who might not know they are telling lies). So if we start question to where we got these false beliefs that limit our life experiences, then we get ansers and the answers create blame. Blame causes division, not unity. So be careful what you ask, because you might not like the answer.
So the key is ask the right questions to get the answers that will help you. First, know what you want, in this case you want to know if the beliefs are true or false. So when we find ourselves feeling dis-ease, instead of asking, "Where did I get these beliefs?" we need to ask, "What do I believe?" and "Are these beliefs true?" and "Do these beliefs serve me?" These kinds of questions will lead to the kinds of answers we are looking for.
Some of the lies we are told are
Life is hard
If you behave that way, nobody will like you
If you behave that way, you will end up in jail
You can't be a _ because __
It's your fault that I am the way that I am
If you don't behave, Santa won't come or will bring you coal
People that don't believe what we believe are bad
You will never amount to anything
You're a loser
You are responsible for my happiness, etc...
If we recognize a lie, we need to find a way to change our beliefs to ones that are true and serve us. We do NOT need to go digging up why we have these beliefs and where they came from. They come from the past, which now is just a memory, an illusion. The only way to keep the past alive is to relive it in our minds. Then, live from a place where you are not bound, limited by the lies. The truth will set you free.
answered 25 Mar '12, 12:19
"We do NOT need to go digging up why we have these beliefs and where they came from". I LOVE that line. I completely identify with your advice. I find that it's the best way to find freedom in a chaotic world. Thanks’ for this answer.
(25 Mar '12, 12:42) The Traveller
@The Traveller thank you
(25 Mar '12, 13:04) Fairy Princess
the because and the past is only important to not make the same mistake fairy princess. i agree with all that you said. the truth will set you free.
(25 Mar '12, 14:08) white tiger
@white tiger The past doesn't really matter now, only how we respond now to life. Knowing where the beliefs came from only casts blame. The only thing that matters now is whether the beliefs are true, not where they came from. Searching for where they came from distracts us from now and how we are responding to the world now, perpetuating responses from a state of awareness that is not presense, but in the illusion of the past. Now is all we have. Past and future exist only in our mind.
(25 Mar '12, 14:30) Fairy Princess
who are you trying to convince?fairy princess move away from belief stay in the truth. the truth will set you free.
(25 Mar '12, 14:47) white tiger
It is hard to let go of old beliefs, even if you know that they are not true. But in the same token you do have to face the truth, and letting go of the myth can be a whole new awakening to the real truth!
answered 11 Dec '10, 02:56
Inactive User ♦♦
The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be." Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death." http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html i am happy that you stand in the beguinning the truth will set you free.
(25 Mar '12, 14:57) white tiger
it depend at witch level you ask the question superficially or in meditation! if it is in meditation you can remove all the veils of the mind and it is a most do thing to experiance the truth! if it is superficially it will not completely be solve and will eventually come back! as for finding the middle path it is not about rejecting things but knowing the truth of things in balence to see the whole thing and not just part(example:left or right black or white) so the middle path is knowing both left and right and see it as a whole to chose a better way!example: a sage was going on the road and 2 guy came along and the road was spliting up so one guy said the left path is better the other one said the right path is better and the sage stayed silent! so the 2 guy left on their path each thinking that they would get there before the other one! the sage was contemplating the nature and saw a tiger walking in the forest and followed it to the top of the mountain and sit there drinking water! the guy that took the left path was walking in the sand and was finding it hard and got blister! the guy on the right path was on a rocky road and twisted angle! they where surprise to find the sage waiting for them at the top of the mountain!and asked him what path did you take to get here? he said the middle way! they asked him if he could show them the middle way he said to them i cannot you will need to find it yourself or fallow the tiger!
answered 04 Jun '11, 03:49
The sage is lucky that he didn't follow the tiger to its den and become its dinner. I would have expected the sage to follow the inner guidance, but maybe there is another meaning to the tiger reference that I'm not getting (selective ignorance). I do like your mention of the superficial contemplation and meditative contemplation reference. Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
(04 Jun '11, 13:47) The Traveller
the traveller tiger are not always wanting to eat human! sure if you go bother one or attack it! it will kill and eat you! it is just like you you eat meat but you will not eat every animal around you just because they have meat!
(04 Jun '11, 17:19) white tiger
http://wolfs_moon.tripod.com/TigerTotem.html here is for the tiger it might help you understand!
(04 Jun '11, 18:53) white tiger
There was a line in a movie that went something like, "Why is he looking at me like that?" and the native guy responded, "Because to him you are food." I can't remember what the animal was though.
(24 Mar '12, 20:13) Wade Casaldi
wade it might have been a humen cannibal.Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man." http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html
(25 Mar '12, 15:04) white tiger
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I haven't selected an answer yet because the purpose was to see if people are afraid of losing their foundation by questioning things that are fundamental to their identity. The answers are great so far. Maybe a couple of days from now, I will pick the best "feeling" answer.