I keep coming across references to different densities and in particular Earth moving from the 3rd to the 4th density. I assume it is to do with ascending spiritually but would like further explanation. I had never heard the term density used in this way before coming to this website a month ago.

I was also intrigued by Eddie's answer to Are we moving from the 3rd to the 4th density reality now? - does that mean that some people won't be tuning in to the 4th density reality so it won't be their reality? Eddie says "Maybe even our family and friends will not join us" - could someone please explain more about densities and this statement in particular.


I think this question may have to be closed because there is a question already existing which answers my question. Apologies to all!


Actually I have now discovered a couple of good explanations of densities - thank you Treb for the illustration! I am still curious about what a move from 3rd to 4th means though and whether some of us will remain in the 3rd density because of our limiting beliefs. I had always assumed when people talked about 2012 and about planetary spiritual awakenings that the entire planet and everyone on it would move up a notch together. Is this assumption incorrect?

asked 25 Jun '12, 05:34

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English Rose

edited 25 Jun '12, 11:03

Mr Barry Allen - the link hasn't worked. I tried following the instructions - if you can see what I've done wrong please let me know and I can get it right next time. In the meantime, apologies.

(25 Jun '12, 06:01) English Rose

@CalonLan Where did you get that 12029 from, Calonlan? Thanks for posting the link.

(25 Jun '12, 07:12) English Rose

I just searched for the question and you're welcome. ;)

(25 Jun '12, 07:53) CalonLan

@CalonLan - but how did you know it was that number - I can't find it on any of the questions?

(25 Jun '12, 07:59) English Rose

@English Rose, I've fixed the link in your question. If you go to that question and look at your web browser's url address, you will see http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/12029/are-we-moving-from-the-3rd-to-the-4th-density-reality-now as the link address to that question. You can ignore everything after the number and it will still work so http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/12029 will also work

(25 Jun '12, 08:11) Barry Allen ♦♦

@English Rose, if you want the url link address to a specific answer (e.g. Eddie's answer on that page), click on the word link under the answer and you will see: http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/12029/are-we-moving-from-the-3rd-to-the-4th-density-reality-now/12039 . Again, you can miss out all the words and the specific answer link will be http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/12029/12039 . We have noticed that sometimes the answer links don't work properly, if that is...

(25 Jun '12, 08:14) Barry Allen ♦♦

@English Rose, ...the case, replace the final / symbol with a # symbol and it should work. So a link directly to Eddie's answer that will always work is http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/12029#12039

(25 Jun '12, 08:15) Barry Allen ♦♦

Got it! Thank very much Kate

(25 Jun '12, 08:16) English Rose

@English Rose - Great question! Thanks for asking it.

(25 Jun '12, 09:04) Grace

Thanks for the publicity :)

(25 Jun '12, 09:48) Eddie

@English Rose there will be change for all, but the amount of change they experiences will depend on them. there is allot of information, if u ever wish to have a session with my source i give sessions to all for free. if not there is enuff information through my source and other very knowledgeable sources and people in this wonderful group, as i see, the 2 most knowledgeable people have already spoken, eddie and stingray are the absolute 2 best there is, i am not bad either lololol ;-)

(26 Jun '12, 21:37) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-ne Thanks very much for your response. I am planning to watch the videos you posted on a previous question but my computer came back with a blank screen (this sometimes happens with my computer) and so I'll try that again. I think I am finally "getting it" - it is quite mind blowing - but really really fascinating! The table you posted on the previous question really helped.

(27 Jun '12, 04:28) English Rose
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In a nutshell, moving from one density (or dimension) to another implies a different reality game with different rules.

Notice I said it's a different game, not a better game.

I think a lot of people are not really understanding that point.

If you look at the picture of the visible spectrum below, blue is a different color to green, not a better color.

So ascending to a new density (or dimension) just means we're playing by different rules.

The problem with the word density (some use the word dimension) is that different beings have different definitions of when a shift has happened.

Take a look at this spectrum picture below...it is valuable to contemplate the visible spectrum of light because a different density (or dimension) is really just a like a different color - it's a different vibrational frequency range.

Visible Spectrum

Most people will agree when the color is fully blue or fully green but where exactly did green change into blue? Ask different people and you will get different responses.

If someone, say, observes blue skies a lot, they might have developed a keen awareness of the different shades of blue and so, to them, green might have changed into blue earlier than for someone who is just a casual observer of those colors.

For this reason, it is difficult to find agreement from different beings on where the boundaries between densities (or dimensions) are but there is broad agreement from everyone when fully within a particular density, or dimension.

And also because of differences of opinion from different beings, there will be some that say that a shift from 3rd to 4th has not yet happened and there are others, like The Pleiadian Collective, who say it already has, and that a shift to the 5th will happen within the next 70 years or so.

What do these ascensions mean to our day-to-day lives?

Nothing at all.

Everyday life will still appear to be everyday life because you are part of the shift, so you don't realize anything is changing.

It's a bit like going to your workplace day after day, year after year, if you have a long-term job. Changes happen, people come and go, and the company evolves but you don't notice it because you are swept up in it all and it happens incrementally. It's only when, say, a client revisits your workplace after a long time and they comment to you how much has changed since they were last there that you realize that a lot has changed without you noticing.

Similar things happen with people you haven't seen for a long time. They may have changed quite a bit, but in their own lives they probably don't notice any change until you point it out to them.

You asked if some will remain in 3rd density (or dimension) because of limiting beliefs.

The Pleiadian Collective are currently saying no to this...everyone here on Earth will shift (and already has shifted). They say there were timelines where the possibility of a split was possible but those timelines are now out of reach for anyone reading these words.

But again, different beings seem to have slightly different opinions and you have to find what resonates with you.

Because past, present and future are all happening now, just because one being says that a vibrational separation is not happening in one set of timelines does not mean that it cannot happen in another set of timelines viewed from another being's perspective of the past/future.

It's tricky trying to get to the "truth" when the "truth" is whatever you interpret it to be :)

Remember again that there is nothing superior or better about different densities or dimensions, they are different, that's all. So anyone choosing a 3rd density experience, if this is indeed happening, does not imply a negative choice, just a different choice...a different game.


answered 25 Jun '12, 17:00

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@Stingray, thanks for this. You have made it so clear. (And fascinating)

(25 Jun '12, 19:08) Grace

@Stingray - WOW - I have learnt a lot in the past month thanks to posts like this. Thanks very much for explaining this.

(26 Jun '12, 16:58) English Rose

@stingray as always brother, most beautifully said. and i will bug u to see if the book was read yet too lololololol

(26 Jun '12, 21:31) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-NE - Hey Rob, good to hear from you. Believe it or not, I'm just starting reading it again. I will definitely be finishing that review :) Many apologies. Last several months have been exceptionally busy - biting off more than I can chew again :) - but I've got some time now to catch up on all my long overdue promises :)

(27 Jun '12, 03:38) Stingray
(27 Jun '12, 05:05) ursixx

@ursixx - One of my favorite movies :) All I have to say to your comment is: Bzzzz, zzzz. Bzzzz, zzzz, zzzz :)

(27 Jun '12, 07:35) Stingray

@stingray not busting ur chops, just ur opinion on these things are so greatly appreciated because u have so much wisdom and great insight. ty again and i cant wait my friend,

(29 Jun '12, 19:33) TReb Bor yit-NE

@ursixx lololololololo,,,, great movie, loved that , lol, soooo greeeeeen !!!!!

(29 Jun '12, 19:34) TReb Bor yit-NE
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Hello English Rose,

I’ll elaborate a bit, although I know you already ‘get’ a lot of what I’m about say :)

The thing that confuses many people is when they hear about densities and dimensions. Additionally, to add to the confusion, some people, including myself, refer to us currently experiencing life in both the third dimension (3D) and the fourth dimension (4D). I use both of those ideas (dimensions and density) and the idea of 3D/4D to help me to understand what it all means.

Understanding Dimensions

An easy way of looking at it is by saying that 3D applies to space consisting of the 3 dimensions of width, height and depth. And unless someone is a scientist or they are actively on the path of self-awakening, they may say: we live in a 3D world. And from their current perspective, they're not wrong.

However, once you realize that the equation of where we are (location), by definition, must include the idea of time (there can be no space without time); then you’ll realize that this reality actually consists of the three dimensions of space, plus one of time, so it’s actually a 4D reality.

My understanding is that if we’re fully immersed in 3D/4D reality, we’re detail oriented, so we create more time to exist within in order to experience those details. As we remember that the now moment is really all there is and we consciously choose to notice it and be it; then we don’t need to create and experience as much time. So we begin to experience a more multi-dimensional 4D reality. Eventually we’ll move out of 4D and into the full multi-dimensional reality (5D).

Getting to Grips with Density

The way I see density is as a specific range of vibrational frequencies. Because we’re vibrating at a specific frequency, we see and experience this particular version of the earth. As we increase our vibrational frequency, we automatically tune-in to a version of the earth which already exists (and always has) at that higher frequency; *let’s call it a *new earth :)

To expand on this idea further; what this means is that if you could transport yourself back in linear time to a version of the earth of say 2,000 years ago. Due to the people living at that time vibrating at a lower frequency and thus being of a different (lower/denser) density, most people wouldn’t be able to see you, even though you could see them. Of course, there may be some higher vibrational people who’d see you, but they’d say you are a spirit; and from their perspective, they’re not wrong either :)

Remember that the idea of linear time is an illusion of our mind, so really all realities and all time lines exist simultaneously, here and now. Therefore, is it so hard to imagine that spirits, angels, guides or whatever name you prefer, from our linear future have the ability to assist us in a variety of ways; and that from our current perspective, they may even appear to us as spirits?

Bashar- 3rd 4th 5th Dimension, Choosing Future & Past Lives Consciously

You Tube Video

Moving Through Density Requires Belief

Think about this: have you ever had a dream in which you’re on board some kind of spaceship? And even after you wake up, you realize that either you experienced reality through the eyes of another spirit, who shares your soul or you experienced yourself living in a probable future reality in which space travel is normal? We all grew up with the ideas of Star Trek and Star Wars and we were all born within the paradigm of early space flight to the moon and mars; so we believe in the possibility of spaceships and space travel.

In order to go somewhere we must believe that it’s possible for us, right? Now consider the person from the previous analogy from 2,000 years ago. Do you think that Mr. Average of that time-space place could even imagine a reality of space travel, let alone believe it’s possible for him to experience it? Thus, it makes sense to me that moving up through density requires belief.

"Maybe even our family and friends will not join us"

Think of it in terms of your soul experiencing multiple simultaneous lives. We don’t know what any particular soul expression or spirit came to this reality to experience, do we? It’s best to have an open mind and it’s extremely freeing. One thing’s for sure, because we create 100% of our reality, we all chose our family and friends prior to incarnating here; so everyone has their reasons and everyone benefits from whatever happens in their life, sure ♥

Finally, our ego-self likes to put things neatly into boxes, 3D, 4D, 5D etcetera. However, we’re in a constant state of flux, we’re never stationary. So moving through density and thus experiencing different dimensions is always an ongoing thing, we’ve always been doing it; only now we’re becoming aware that we’re doing it. I love evolution :)


answered 25 Jun '12, 23:19

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edited 25 Jun '12, 23:36


@Eddie - I really appreciate the way you have taken the time to answer this and my other question. I have been listening to Bashar today and am gradually wrapping my head around all this! The illusion we live in is so strong that it does take some thinking about. Thanks for posting.

(26 Jun '12, 17:33) English Rose

@eddie, once again, brilliance brother, brilliance.

(26 Jun '12, 21:32) TReb Bor yit-NE

i would love to throw my hat in on this. here is a map, and then two vids about it that will help u understand so much more better. I channel this entity and it is great information.

I finally found a way to put this on a vid. and man it is great.

TReb channeling - Treb Channels Aridif- TReb Bor yit-NE


I hope this helps you very much

love n light,


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TReb Bor yit-NE channeling - Density Series # 1 - Densities and Demensions


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TReb Bor yit-NE channeling - Density Series # 2 - 4th density ( 1-3 )


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And if you want to know everything there is to know in great detail. here is Trebs teacher

TReb Bor yit-NE channeling - Treb Channels Aridif


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answered 26 Jun '12, 21:25

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TReb Bor yit-NE

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ROB good to cya back :D

(27 Jun '12, 05:06) ursixx

@TReb Bor yit-NE I have listened to the first and will listen to the others in the next few days. Fascinating stuff! I notice you speak with an accent I can't quite place on the clips. When Darryl Anka channels he speaks with an accent which is different from when he is speaking as himself (a US accent?). Esther Hicks used to talk with a slight accent in her early tapes. I wondered whether it was just the channelling process - why is it? Thanks for helping me out with all this Rob.

(27 Jun '12, 06:23) English Rose

@ TReb Bor yit-NE Thanks for the illustration - very helpful.

(27 Jun '12, 06:26) English Rose

@ursixx hello brother. i am happy to be back, allot of things have transpired for me lately great to see u my dear friend

(28 Jun '12, 21:38) TReb Bor yit-NE

@english rose Thank u, i hope it helps all. i wish to only inform those who wish to find their own truths, I am from the us. and when u hear me speak the sound of myself and treb are quite a bit removed, idk why it is that way. If u need me contact me, i can help explain what u don't understand if u have any problems. i help others interpret the information, it is what i love to do, love n light

(28 Jun '12, 21:42) TReb Bor yit-NE

@TReb Bor yit-NE I am still here - I just preferred to use my own name and so suspended the English Rose account! Thanks for your answers - the accent thing is fascinating though. Thank you for your offer of help too Rob - much appreciated.

(29 Jun '12, 02:22) Catherine

@catherine i am greatfull that u r being helped by our information. love n light.

(30 Jun '12, 16:51) TReb Bor yit-NE
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