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Spiritual secrets were hidden because they are dangerous.


asked 05 Dec '12, 13:10

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@mastermind2, can you give specifics at to the dangers? I have heard of dangers relating to esoteric physical exercises such as pranayama, etc., but not regarding meditation. I have been able to spend some time here and there with meditators coming from "living traditions", but I have also picked up a lot of valuable instruction from books as well. I think that meditating is such a boon and help for so many people, that I would not want to discourage them from learning online or via books...

(06 Dec '12, 00:18) lozenge123

...if that is all they had access to, i.e., they did not live near any good instructors.

(06 Dec '12, 00:18) lozenge123

@mastermind2, you say "Once you wish for something that you didn't earn by working hard, you are on very very much danger". Can you tell me why this is? There are many things that can be wished or prayed for, that can not be had by hard work. Health, good fortune, serendipity, etc.. Why shouldn't we wish for this? What is the danger?

(06 Dec '12, 00:21) lozenge123

Even if you have a teacher, would it really make any difference? For example, how would the teacher know how you are actually feeling? Can he access your feelings? Nope.. only you know yourself best. And how would you know whether the teacher is genuine? or maybe he is just another "entity" trying to harm you like what you have said

(06 Dec '12, 03:17) kakaboo

the whole paradox to this is that if LOA is really true, which you think it is true, then even if we stay out of it it will still eventually affect us in some way, will it not?

(06 Dec '12, 03:18) kakaboo

@mastermind2, the answers box is not intended for making comments. If you wish to make a comment on an existing answer, please click on the "Add New Comment" link available under each answer. Thanks. I'm converting your "answer" into a comment.

(06 Dec '12, 03:22) Barry Allen ♦♦

@mastermind2, thanks very much for your thoughtful response. I agree that a great teacher is of utmost value. Regarding the use of Law of Attraction, and wish fulfillment, it seems that the Universe operates this way all the time. So we are all using it whether we wish to or not. I think what is taught here is to allow people to use it consciously, so that they are not unconsciously manifesting negative conditions in our lives. Famous spiritual people such as Jesus Christ spoke about these...

(07 Dec '12, 00:27) lozenge123

...principles and even instructed humankind to use them. In Buddhism, we have ancient sources such as the Lankavatara Sutra (containing the Buddha's words and teachings) as well as the Stanzas on Vibration which teach these same principles and "operating system" of the Universe. I believe that if it's good enough for Jesus and Buddha, it's good enough for me. But I also understand that many people greatly value the notion of "hard work" as a virtue in of itself...

(07 Dec '12, 00:30) lozenge123

I enjoy hard work very much, when it pertains to something that I'm passionate about and feel inspired by. Otherwise, I don't enjoy it so much. I found that out the hard way after many years of pursuing the "strenuous life" advocated by people such as Teddy Roosevelt and Tony Robbins. So I've been on both sides of the coin. The choice for me is clear. I'm not familiar about the "theft from the temple" story that you mention, although I'm guessing it relates to Masonic or Rosicrucian history...

(07 Dec '12, 00:33) lozenge123

As to your question, "Do you think God operates this way? giving one man powers and letting others suffer?" I wouldn't presume to know how the Creator operates, however, it's not my desire to let others suffer. In fact, I would like to use the Law of Attraction and "wishing" to help others as much as possible.

(07 Dec '12, 00:35) lozenge123

Thanks for your lengthy response, by the has been interesting exchanging views with you.

(07 Dec '12, 00:36) lozenge123

@mastermind2 about meditation. follow this link: read my answer. it can help you if you are ready.

(07 Dec '12, 00:43) white tiger

@White tiger Thank you but I really don't follow where you want me to go?

(07 Dec '12, 06:13) mastermind2

I heard of people that had a kundalini awakening and the dark night of the soul after having regular sex. So shouldn't we have sex ever? lol. or at least not without an instructor watching you right?:D

(07 Dec '12, 08:10) releaser99

@mastermind2 click on the link and go read the answer that is what i have put and that you can read if you want. but if you have read that and do not know.then i would say that,you that say that you have experience in meditation, are missing alot of experience. i do not blame you or make a judgement,i am only telling you the truth. you can go where you want to go,do not see me as someone that is pushing you in anny direction. then you wont need to not follow.

(07 Dec '12, 08:17) white tiger

@mastermind2 - Thanks...if that is the case, then what was the theft from the temple? I am asking out of sheer curiosity. Thanks again.

(07 Dec '12, 11:15) lozenge123

@mastermind2 the way i have done it is meditating with open eyes being aware focusing and concentrating on a spot in front of me that is not there. that is how one get to Ekagra. yes i have notice about breathing in the first day or 2 but where your heart is also is your mind. and focusing on breathing becomes a distraction. since breathing is a natural process. and yes a teacher or a master is a person that have experience the way the truth and the life.

(07 Dec '12, 11:38) white tiger

@mastermind2 but many disciple will not understand this.

(07 Dec '12, 11:48) white tiger

@mastermind2 Yes Buddha and Jesus were examples of great teachers. But just like you say LOA will harm people, there are also people out there who claim that following Buddha and Jesus will hurt you too. Who should we believe then? That's just all I'm saying

(07 Dec '12, 18:41) kakaboo

Who should we believe? Good question.... above all, IMO, trust yourself.

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and own common sense." -Buddha

(07 Dec '12, 19:09) LapisLazuli

Thanks mastermind, I appreciate the concern, but I'm ok...;) One thing I've learned is that "materials" become less and less as you go farther. So for me this doesn't equal materialism, even though many pursue that when they first "discover" it.

I feel your saying materials are evil... aren't they just unimportant? Sure, people have done terrible things for them- but it stems from their own insecurity and fear.

I have learned strength and trust- and a beautiful perception of life.

(08 Dec '12, 10:24) LapisLazuli

It has been of great value to me... learning how to accept things and pick myself up in any situation, without depending on someone or something. Learning to feel love and joy for others even when I initially feel wronged.

Best of all, the peace I have with everyone and everything. I'm not afraid to die or be alone. I'm not afraid of pain. I'm not afraid of darkness or deception.

That's what I want to share- the peace, the strength, the love. That's what it's been for me. :)

(08 Dec '12, 10:33) LapisLazuli

@LapisLazuli "Who should we believe" just like "who am I" or "what's the meaning of life" are very dangerous questions. Why? Let me show you..."A suggestive question is one that implies that a certain answer should be given in response, or falsely presents a presupposition in the question as accepted fact."

That questions implies there is someone to be believed. Just like "who am I ?" assumes there is an something you should identify yourself with.

If nature of problems should be uncovered

(08 Dec '12, 10:53) CalonLan

then Questions are problem. Even what Buddha said, about believing things with your common sense and reason. What is common sense and reason, but your own beliefs anyway.

Then in other words Buddha said you will always believe what you have already believed anyway. Because you can only believe what you already agreed to believe within yourself.

Believing something new then is just a matter of alternating your current beliefs. One would have to have no beliefs to get away from this game.

(08 Dec '12, 10:53) CalonLan

And you can perhaps see the issue that's created when someone asks "what is right". Assuming there is something wrong.

(08 Dec '12, 11:03) CalonLan

"The question implies there is someone to be believed." Very true. Every question implies something.

I just don't agree with "dangerous".If you could explain why you feel it's dangerous :)

(08 Dec '12, 11:06) LapisLazuli

Focus is controlled through questions, what we focus on provides us with sense of our reality. It is questions that predetermine the limitations of answers and thus the views we're going to have or our perception. Then based on this limited perception we operate. In other words, that's how we operate. Quite exploitable I think.

No wonder that in meditative state there are no questions to be answered.

(08 Dec '12, 11:42) CalonLan

@mastermind2 I know your not "against" anything.. neither am I. It's not that I don't care, or believe I am perfect or a demi-god, or that I don't encounter pain or suffering.Are any beliefs important? (Lol Cal ;) It's just learning to be at peace and let go of fear... for me (to clarify)I'm focusing on the "emotional" aspect. I have learned not to depend on the outside in regards to how I feel- powerful for me and it has given me a lot of peace.

(08 Dec '12, 11:50) LapisLazuli

I just like to share and discuss~ not trying to change beliefs, but introduce my own perspective... like you. :) You have a lot of depth.

(08 Dec '12, 11:51) LapisLazuli

@mastermind2 what if i told you there's nothing beautiful about life? And there are no obligations or responsibilities you have towards anything?

That beautifully removes beliefs on which you are standing looking at your two posts.

Also a normal happy man never want to enter spiritual life, because he's entangled in net of attachments which won't let him out. And maybe those who felt left aside from society were lucky ones. Society is one damn siren.

(08 Dec '12, 12:38) CalonLan

@mastermind2 what is a normal happy man? is it a man that enjoy only this physical world that will pass away? or a man that enjoy this physical world that will pass away and know that there is something more after ward? @calonlan you cannot say that there is nothing beautifull about life.and you cannot say that there is no obligation or responsability. if there is nothing beautifull about life and you would believe that 100%, you would make the choice to leave and not return.

(08 Dec '12, 13:09) white tiger

@calonlan i agree with you on the last part that happy man that bind thim self to things of the world that will pass away, will eventualy suffer in their heart and mind. the flesh is flesh and the spirit is spirit. be passer-by.

(08 Dec '12, 13:14) white tiger

@white tiger, how is that I cannot say that? And why do you assume I would stay only if it was beautiful. Maybe I like ugly so I stay? And where does this responsibility come from? And what responsibility it is you have in mind? And what if exactly this type of thinking "looking for something beautiful all the time" is what keeps you from seeing what is life really like.

I'm open to dispel anything, I don't fear losing beliefs. So bring it on ;)

(08 Dec '12, 13:26) CalonLan

@calonlan you are responsible of your choice and the consequence they have. if you cast a stone at someone. he will cast it back at you. why do you do what you hate? they will do the same. would you like that? do you know many people that do not do the same?(dito) and that are in truth? if you are in truth you will know how things relate to each other with out having to take a side. yet you will do what is right for you and other. in truth and understanding you will make your choice.

(08 Dec '12, 14:10) white tiger

@calonlan you will not make your choice from a heart of stone,in judgement,conflict,inequity,hate. here is another example if you are seing only from outside:when you shit do you go to the bathroom? do you have the obligation and responsibility to keep your self clean? or do you shit in your pant.and do not take the obligation and responsibility? if you do not assume obligation and responsibility then someone needs to do it for you because of the lack that you have. do i tell you the truth?

(08 Dec '12, 14:17) white tiger

@calonlan do you see only the bad and ugly in this world? or do you also see the beautifull? do you see how they relate to each other? or do you see only the ugly? every one have something beautifull in them. did you bother to take obligation and responsibility to look for it? or did you assume that they are ugly?

(08 Dec '12, 14:24) white tiger

@white tiger, ok let's assume I have responsibility... but who am I? I don't know who am I because I can't make any specific attachment to anything to gain that sense of identity.

Then you see the concept of I is just an illusion. I don't exist. There is artificial I in form of ego, but beyond that is no I. So who has that responsibility?

If I cast a stone, I'm not the hand that threw it, I'm not the body, not the mind nor the idea of throwing the stone, I'm not the judgement behind it.

(08 Dec '12, 14:31) CalonLan

@white tiger, it's a strange feeling to feel like no-one and nothing.

Especially because that it's a concept of mind but it provides a great insight into all that is. It's a paradox created by an idea that I'm nothing that makes you look at everything in a light you can't see when you are defining things or self as something.

And I found out long ago that in paradox you can find the truth of duality it brings to light.

(08 Dec '12, 14:34) CalonLan

@calonlan if you do not know who you are,open your eyes and look inside of you. and you will say i am who i am and i am that i am. you exist the proff is that we are communicating together right now. why are you denying your self? if you cast the stone you are the heart and mind under judgement that have cast it. you are the body that have cast it. when you drive a car are you the one deciding where the car will go? from point a to point b?

(08 Dec '12, 14:40) white tiger

@calonlan well the body is the same as the car. the only difference is that you have the same body for this life in this now. and you will not change car untill your car is destroyed or that you can open the car and get out,to go where ever you wish. like the wind. but if you do not see inside of the car who you are look right in the middle in the mirroir and you should see your self,if there is enuff light.

(08 Dec '12, 14:42) white tiger

@mastermind2 i came here to experience this world my choice was made in the beguinning,and i have made the same choice again the proof is that i am speaking to you. i do not need to seek escape from this world.i know where is the door. and how to open it. but my choice is made to experience and enjoy.

(09 Dec '12, 02:55) white tiger

@mastermind2 Great quote - I agree 100% with that

(09 Dec '12, 04:23) Catherine

@mastermind2, well you can't, because existence is sadness.

(09 Dec '12, 05:11) CalonLan

@mastermind2 If you can simply concentrate your mind’s Inner Light and behold its outer illumination, you’ll dispel the three poisons and drive away the six thieves once and for all. And without effort gain possession of an infinite number of virtues, perfections, and doors to the truth, Seeing through the mundane and witnessing the sublime is less than an eye-blink away, Realization is now. Why worry about gray hair?

(09 Dec '12, 20:52) white tiger

@mastermind2 It would be really interesting to hear what exactly these things we should be fearful of .... what exactly happens if you meditate without a teacher. Are you talking about psychic attack, astral planing, not being able to get back into your body, kundalini awakening ... ? I'm keen to hear more about these spiritual secrets you hint at.

(11 Dec '12, 10:00) Catherine

I want to know what @stingray has to say about all this!

(11 Dec '12, 11:48) lastplacefavourite

@mastermind2 I can't quite work out why you have removed this. I found it quite an interesting dialogue.

(18 Dec '12, 13:12) Catherine

@Catherine I'm leaving here Cathrine. Many here seems to believe that I came here is to scare people. They say I'm wasting their time...

(18 Dec '12, 13:20) mastermind2

@mastermind2 - I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure most people here are just fine with you. And if not, who cares? As a great zen master once said, "the thoughts we are thinking right now won't be here in a thousand years."

(30 Dec '12, 20:45) lozenge123

@lozenge123 Wonderful quote Lozenge! Thank you :)

(02 Jan '13, 03:58) mastermind2
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The question has been closed for the following reason "No longer relevant" by Barry Allen 31 Jan '13, 15:38

The "Dark Night of the Soul" is simply an energy imbalance. Nothing to worry about if you know how to handle it. Abraham call it "all hell breaks loose" or what other spiritual teachers call "spiritual awakening". Read the answers here to learn how to handle them.

The Only Way Out Is Through

I think many of us here went through those stages already and know how to handle them. What is going on is you begin to see limiting beliefs that you have surpressed before. If you can't handle them, yes that's right, you will eventually DIE.

Here is what Stingray says about it. Click here to read the full answer.

It's like being stuck, as the saying goes, between a rock and a hard place. Eventually, something has to give and it's usually the physical body that gives out first. So they get manifestations like heart attacks or strokes, or similar extreme stuff, despite their regular meditations.

Mastermind i assume you have good intentions in spreading fear. But imo there is not much value in spreading fear if you don't clear things up and show ways to handle difficulties.

What i learned in life going through deep depressions and panic attacks is one thing. Don't let fear rule your life. Life with fear is always very poor and sad anyway (much more than the dark night of the soul). So don't never ever fear anything. You might miss the best joys in life.

And this site is a gold mine if you are open to new ways and ideas. So enjoy and be openminded. At least test these ideas and if you don't like them, drop them again if you want to.

One who ALLOWS these valuable ideas on this site should also be able to ALLOW resistance to melt away. One who lives the art of ALLOWING has nothing to fear.


answered 07 Dec '12, 11:38

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Phew I thought it was something much scarier than this - good answer releaser99.

(07 Dec '12, 12:56) Catherine

@Catherine lol! Excellent answer releaser99. We can now partake in 'regular' sex w/o fear as often as we want! lol!

(07 Dec '12, 20:38) ele

@mastermind2 I'm not saying there is no danger in a spiritual quest - everything has its shadow side. Often those on a spiritual quest have already got what Abraham calls a "fast flowing stream" - applying LOA processes just helps you to flow with it, rather than resisting it. A regular on the Abe forum committed suicide and accusations were made against the teachings. From my observations here, many who are attracted to this information are ALREADY dealing with difficult situations.

(08 Dec '12, 04:50) Catherine

@mastermind2 From your question, I assumed you must be talking about kundalini awakening which I gather can be quite difficult or spirit attachment/parasites - also a problem. All I'm saying is that by the time many get to this info they really only have one option and that is to get in the flow - they can't slow down the stream so scaring them/me isn't helpful as releaser pointed out. I can understand that you meant well as you have obviously witnessed people in spiritual crisis.

(08 Dec '12, 04:58) Catherine

@Catherine forget spiritual dangers..why would you want to enter a spiritual dark night and experience spiritual hell when with this economic/political/world condition we all are experiencing material hell? I'm saying its not worth to an average individual..

(08 Dec '12, 12:30) mastermind2

Mastermind2 ....are WE ALL experiencing material hell ? perspective is everything and I for 1 am not

See this

(09 Dec '12, 03:39) Starlight

@mastermind2 the material hell that you are experiencing is because we all play this monopoly game. playing the game is not the problem in it self. the error in the game is the problem. what is the error you will ask me. the imbalence and the iniquity in the extreme: poor and rich. some rich have to much money for one life time and some poor do not have enuff for one life time. you can notice other stuff also like house in the middle of a high way,because they did not offer proper money to move-

(09 Dec '12, 03:56) white tiger

the house,so what did they do? they builded the highway around the house. or other stuff you see telephone poll in the street. who is the bright man that decided to do that? other stuff red light on a highway after a bridge when you know very well that it is always full of traffic. not a big problem only 100 000 car burning gas and making polution each day,1hour+in traffic. and people being late.

(09 Dec '12, 04:03) white tiger it seams some people that are paid to take decision in the game do not know what they are doing. the worst part is that they stay in position most of the time. while someone working(with a lower pay) make a small error is losing is job. weird game do you agree. well try to laugh at it. it might help.

(09 Dec '12, 04:15) white tiger

@mastermind2 you see nothing is perfect in this world,there is always place for improvement to solve all the inequity in the duality not understood the example can be many. yet this world can be perfect it depends what we make of it.but rather then get sad or mad about a bad situation you better laugh about it and make the most out of it to make the situation better. often it is stuff that is not depending on your own free will. but at least you are not responsible of. experience and enjoy.

(09 Dec '12, 13:23) white tiger

@mastermind2 often you will be critize about stuff that is out of your control that you did not make happen with your free will. try to explain that to someone else, laugh.HAHAHA that is the human comedy. don't take people to seriously,often they get piss off about stuff that does not really matter. they are not able to see the big picture. and want to hang on,on the little detail that are also out of their control. critic are many in this world. eventually they will lift that stone and-

(09 Dec '12, 14:20) white tiger

@mastermind2 properly split that pieces of wood. so let there be light,Be the light that you can be,experience and enjoy.

(09 Dec '12, 14:22) white tiger
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Hello mastermind2 ... yes very true spiritual secrets can be dangerous, it all depends on our intentions ... if we focus on "good", we attract "good" ... if we focus on "bad", we attract "bad" ... let's remember that nothing has any value except the value that we give it ... it is better to be aware than unaware of this kind of secret :)


answered 05 Dec '12, 14:32

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Good points.

(05 Dec '12, 14:50) Fairy Princess

These secrets were never meant to be aware of by anyone other than the initiates under the guidance of a high priest. Nature and certainly not any mystery school in Egypt, Greece, Alexandria or India, bestow this kind of knowledge upon the unworthy. - So I sincerely hope you know where you are going :)

(06 Dec '12, 00:06) mastermind2

@BluBird 2 - Simple. Elegant and true. Another vote up for your great response.

(11 Dec '12, 12:21) Dollar Bill
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The only book I found dangerous was "Abramelin. Most of the rest from OTO, GD, AA, )+(UMMO is flashy and theatrical, but can't hold a candle to the Law of Attraction for sheer creative power without backlash. This is what runs the Universe. Not punishment. Not the kind of Karma that has someone paying for past life sins.

@Mastermind2 Why do you say the LOA is dangerous? You darkly hint at secrets and hidden dangers, even offering your help to escape them. You seem to feel that even meditation is dangerous without a teacher. Who are you kidding?

Are you solictiting disciples?

Do you think it takes hard work to progress? It may take discipline. The Path is simple once you uderstand the LOA, and self-governing.

Once you break the natural boundaries of the human mind you enter from common grounds to a place where you have absolutely no knowledge of. This place you enter is the place where death, emotions, laws of nature operate

Sounds like the Lower Astral. But there is little need to try to enter there.

The bottom line is exactly as @BluBird two said,

it all depends on our intentions ... if we focus on "good", we attract "good" ... if we focus on "bad", we attract "bad".

Whatever, it is indisputable that we, WE write the scripts of our lives. Not some Egyptian in a faraway land and time zone.

If you want to live in a dark Lovecraftian universe, that is your choice. I will not and do not live there. What I am writing is as close as I care to be, and therefore this stuff has no power over me.

I give the spotlight of my attention to the things I enjoy, Beauty, Light, Fun, Life!

I feel like I need a shower and a meditation with Abraham. TTFN



answered 07 Dec '12, 19:37

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bill, the time and way may not be the same for but that individual. if it works for you, fine, use it continue to grow, become more aware. also, it may be that if we do remain dense, clinging to the earthly, we sink back in time down to dust

(07 Dec '12, 21:25) fred

@mastermind2 Just curious - what is an illuminist?

(08 Dec '12, 13:38) Catherine

@mastermind - The LOA is the constant from which other systems flow. If you study in depth, you will realize that. I, too, have studied with a variety of mystics over the past 40 years.

If your reality is valid to you, go for it. Notice the voting system. People vote on what they consider valid and worthwhile on Inward Quest. Do you feel that your remarks are valid and worthwhile here? Do most people, here? Or are we all out of step with reality? Perhaps with your reality?

(09 Dec '12, 11:34) Dollar Bill

@mastermind If your message is one of crying "doom" without explanation, then you are definetly out of my reality. If you do not understand the depth and profundity of @white tiger, you are nowhere near where you claim to be. So far you have added nothing of value to this forum. This is a waste of time. Soon people here will get tired of feeding trolls.

(11 Dec '12, 12:19) Dollar Bill
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as one does not in good
consciousness allow a
babe to play with a sharp knife
one awaits until capable

as we take a step at a
time inward to insure
contol of the reigns
of Apollos chariot

the earth is seen from
the east to the west and
Phythagoras was torched
by unready turned away students


answered 05 Dec '12, 21:31

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mastermind, where an elitist sees ordinary people, others see unawareness that with some research into human history may shed more light on the power the sun focuses to earth and how it has been used, abused and the repayment there of

(08 Dec '12, 15:23) fred Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? let there be among you a person of understanding. where your heart is also is your mind. are you listening to your heart or your mind?

(09 Dec '12, 14:58) white tiger
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I understand your intentions @mastermind2. But from my perspective, there is no danger. Concept of danger can exist only in contradiction to concept of safety/security. And the only security there is, for this life, each life, is death (although not even death may be much of an security in a certain context, but here on earth, amongst the flesh and blood it is certain). So what that leaves us to fear then?

Fear of death is a great paradox. And from fear of death all other fears stem, thus creating multitude of seeming dangers which warning signs are just an expression of. Degree of our fear is in direct proportion to how much we are attached to "trinkets" of life. (Trinkets means all those illusory concepts we identify ourselves with, those that give us sense of a meaning of life or answer questions like who am I?. Like family ties, work and other relationships, our hobbies, interests, etc)

But you must already know and understand all of this otherwise you wouldn't come and warn people of the dangers that relate to spiritualism secrets. Because you recognize those ties and see, as I see, that many of those who want to give in to the game, but don't want to let go of the attachments which could break their neck if they choose to play anyway.

Yes, LOA and stuff may seem fascinating in a way, and as you have pointed out, very dangerous. It's not for everyone. Not because it wouldn't be for everyone, but because not everyone is ready to make, I don't wanna call it sacrifice, but this word shall suffice for now.

Even though the growth of consciousness is apparent all over the globe, people are not ready to dive into it. Making a wrong step could lead to a disaster. Just imagine dropping an a-bomb onto an emotional plane of life. Because if one attempts to manifest something and it goes wrong for him, all other people tied and unaware of, thus unable to cut, their connection to the subject, will be affected as well.

As for the teachers and books, I listen to what they say, but I don't follow. Seeing the concept is enough. As far as I can remember, I have broken many rules and ignored many signs. Consequences of my actions,.. there were indeed. But in breaking a rule lies an experience of understanding nature of why the rule has been set up in the first place, thus further deepening the knowledge of the whole concept the rule was born from, thus easier finding your way to realize whatever you may be after within this concept the more you understand it.

I guess my point is, the game is not called "signs of stops and goes", that's what people who like their illusion of life play. And I didn't write this to agree with or oppose you in any way. Or to "rebel" because I'm being seemingly denied something I might be interested in... I wrote it because, to put it bluntly, there's something in it for me, and if my post is a consequence of yours, then it is a specific consequence of mine I'm looking for. And I have a feeling, you are capable of creating one of those. ;-)


answered 06 Dec '12, 05:56

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I think people use those secrets without reading about it somewhere (or learning). It could be their intuition working, how they adapted to life. Sometimes, spiritual secrets are the best solution to a problem(illness, relationships...).

Danger? Anything could be dangerous. Karma? How would this post affect my Karma or your post affect yours.


answered 09 Dec '12, 14:51

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2manyqs, if we pontificate and others follow, believing in our credibility, and harm arises our karma gets negative points, a reason to choose words prudently

(09 Dec '12, 15:38) fred

You mean if i listen to this post and stop doing meditations without a teacher, if as a result i get sick then that person holds responsibility. (The original question was edited) and this is more serious than websites Karma points.

(09 Dec '12, 15:59) 2manyQs

@mastermind2 what do you have against meditation? what are you afraid about? would you stop someone from walking because they might fall or do a false step? they will learn from it and not make the same mistake next time. or you might be afraid that they will slow their breathing and stop the heart and die? they might do the same thing while sleeping. will you stop them from sleeping?

(11 Dec '12, 05:35) white tiger

@mastermind2 yes it should serve humanity. then the truth will set them free. who do you think as the truth? the one that as intellectual knowledge or the one that as experience the truth? i am telling you when purasha as experience krishna and as asked him what is the meaning of all this. and krishna as giving that understanding,experience and truth to purusha. then purusha is free indeed. when krishna as shown purusha that before coming in to being he made that decision and can always return.

(11 Dec '12, 12:31) white tiger

@mastermind2 death is only the end of physical life. so no it is not the worse thing that can happen to someone.getting stuck in darkness is much more you have anny more question like this?

(11 Dec '12, 12:47) white tiger

@white tiger Just because you have reached a strange realization about life and death. Dont push these young men to misery, they deserve to live beautiful lifes. Stop trying to prove what you know and save these people who go forward without knowing where they are stepping. Why don't you advocate the simple philosophy of Dalai Lama? “There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.”

(11 Dec '12, 13:24) mastermind2

mastermind2 Meditation should be for serving humanity? Are you a qualified spiritual teacher(with many years of experience meditating and guiding students) to advise people on such topics? Painting is a form of meditation, and there are many other activities that have a meditative effect.

(11 Dec '12, 13:31) 2manyQs

Meditation improves the quality of life and health, as a result one serves humanity(or if healed can serve).

(11 Dec '12, 13:41) 2manyQs

@mastermind2 the fact that you say what i tell you is it wrong? tell me alot more then you think. as for the rest yes i know what you have seen,and what you are afraid about. and i do not blame you for this.but neither you or me is responsible for it. yet a light needs to be seen to disperse all poison and darkness. and you know full well that with out knowing that light they will stay the same in darkness. then should you not give direction towards the light, rather then being trap by fear?

(11 Dec '12, 14:05) white tiger

@white tiger Do you remember that day I asked you here, "do you think death is the worst thing that could happen to a man"?? at that time I didn't know that Plato had actually said the same thing: "Death is not the worst that can happen to men. ~ Plato" . I just saw it on a site, and I thought I should share it with you.

(30 Dec '12, 02:03) mastermind2
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