I am trying to find the reason for this obsession with Thought manifesting reality obsession.
Scientific experiments have been the litmus test for facts. By very closely, without bias consistently and throughly analyzing data they have given us explanations of how things work. These have given rise to technologies and processes that our ancestors could never have dreamed(pun intended) of.
I feel there is an almost delusional-obsession bordering of schizophrenia about Thinking affecting reality. There is a very comprehensive literature about Magical Thinking for those that are open minded.
How many scientific experiments have proven decisively that thinking impacts reality. If it does, why do powerful people, companies and countries ignore this completely. Don't you think they want in on the action to controlling the world around them?
Fact is and this is proven by everything you do.
3."Actions are the most robust, and only credible, provable impactors of reality."
If you want to be as good as Roger Federer - Fact is sorry most probably you won't be able to if you've crossed a certain age. BUT you can do it. You have to have talent + Learnt the game from a certain age(while your brain was soaking in information) + You have to have put in consistent practice(take action) and work your arse off.
These are things that can be replicated consistently across individuals -- you probably wont be as good as Roger, but you'll be a pretty good tennis player if you put in those kind of efforts.
Point is -- actions have consistently shown their impact on reality.
Why is thought being sought as a means to impact reality?
Is it a peculiar human delusion?
As far as I have seen the world - whatever the universe wants you to do it imposes it on you - It will impose the exact same things on everyone else irrespective of who they are or weather they are living or dead. Example : Gravity, Friction, Temprature, Object density -- other than that as far as i know it also doesn't have any punishments or rewards it just has consequences.
Enlighten me on the power of magical thinking and reality manifestation without doing any work. I am interested in making truckloads of money.
While it is true that actions can produce results, ideas are the leverage that produce exceptional results. Hard work is not enough; you must also have exceptional ideas. You can work very hard performing senseless labor and accomplish nothing, or your can work smart with an exceptional idea and accomplish exceptional things.
If you want to make truckloads of money, you will not do it by doing the same things that everyone else is doing. Rather, you will most likely make that money by finding a new twist on an old idea, or by providing a product or service in a way that others are either unable or unwilling to do. And everyone around you will tell you that you're wrong.
In other words, you will have an idea. It all starts in the mind. It follows that anything you can do that will sharpen your mind will improve your results.
I can see how someone new to the Law of Attraction might see it as magical thinking. This is due, in part, to people who explain the LOA in a way that makes it look like magic. But see this answer for a discussion about how we have all become a little lazy about describing the LOA.
There's nothing magical about the LOA at all. Your mind is a perceptual filter. When you give it a goal, your mind will begin paying attention to those things that will help you achieve that goal, and will ignore those things that do not assist in the achievement of that goal. Your mind will also begin making connections between seemingly unrelated things to help you towards your goal. This process can seem miraculous, because a lot of it happens at the unconscious level. But it is the way the mind works.
When people say that "you create your world," what they mean is, "you choose what you focus on." Your world, I presume, includes the world of the oyster fishermen in the gulf, whose livelihood is being profoundly affected by the worst oil spill in history? Does it include the world of general McCrystal, recently relieved of his command due to some unfortunate words he said to a Rolling Stone reporter? You might know about these things, but they are not a part of your personal world unless you are giving them your personal attention.
You may value action, but nothing happens without the mind. The typical business owner gave up digging ditches a long time ago, because he understood the power of powerful ideas. Lance Armstrong is successful, not just because he works hard, but because he has intimate knowledge of bicycle racing, a driving desire to succeed, and unshakable belief that he can.
We value a wide range of opinions on this board, and we welcome yours. But we also value civility. Try to have an open mind about this, and you will see that what we call the Law of Attraction you simply call imagination and mental discipline.
No-one is forcing you to read what is written on this website.
If it upsets you, then I suggest you go read something else instead that is more in harmony with what you currently believe.
If you genuinely want to learn, then can you start by reading through the many questions and answers that are already here.
When we react and get defensive it is usually a sign that we are beginning to feel threatened or insecure about our current beliefs so out of fear we will often argue our viewpoint or show our need to be right. See my answer to this question - http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/6460/why-do-you-need-to-be-right.
When we are confident in our beliefs , we don't need to try to prove that we are right but will quite willing give advice when it is sought. The fact that you are here questioning and vehemently demonstrating your viewpoint may be an indication that there is a little part of you that is not so sure.
"Why is thought being sought as a means to impact reality? Is it just out of laziness" - For me mental, inner work has been the hardest work I've ever undertaken and also the most rewarding and is most definitely not for the lazy.
answered 24 Jun '10, 11:31
great question lots of thoughts and opinions.
1st thing that came to my mind after reading was something an old man said to me when I was a teenager doing the dirty work at my fathers butcher shop he said "Work smart not hard". The label hard it's what makes it hard not the work itself.Lance Johnson work is not hard it makes him happy, hard work isn't that when you think smart about it.
Sometimes I find answer here and other times they find me
I have to smile here :)
This Abraham qoute was in my mail as I was on this answer:
It seems easy enough,it's not lazy ,it's sane
answered 26 Jun '10, 08:28
Richard Bach in one of his books said "argue your limitations and they are yours". If you do not want to believe it, it is ok but some us believe and we are reaping the benefits. The one question to ask yourself is "Are you happy?"
Why waste your valuable time with us dellusional lot? To each his own and this works for us, it doesnt for you and that's OK.
answered 24 Jun '10, 10:34
I Think Therefore I Am
Thinking, visualizing and wishing helps me to form and hone my ideas, plan out my actions and practice them mentally over and over. Then this "mental practicing" of what I want, changes my actions and behavior on the conscious and subconscious level. My actions, plans, thoughts, and behavior change my outcomes. It's not mysterious and it's not relying purely upon thought.
And positive thinking helps me to see the bright side, feel better and keep going with things and get good cooperation from others.
I don't think most people here believe they can sweep up the oil spill and no one has claimed they can do so. This is rather more about personal development.
answered 24 Jun '10, 17:34
It seems to me that there's a lot of disagreement between the ideas of Dmin and many in this community. Rather than perpetuate that, I wonder if we can at least agree on one point that is relevant to everyone in this community and indeed, everyone on the planet.
Do you agree that you exist?
Can you confirm this with a simple comment of yes?
Or must you elaborate in some way in order to have the final say?
Lets start from a place of agreement and take it from there...
answered 25 Jun '10, 04:21
I like this question, i understand why youve asked it ( i think ) and i do see your point. Physical action and substance DOES effect physical things . Physical does effect physical, play a game of snooker or pool and youll see the results.
I can, and will now only comment on this sits as to things and ideas that ive actually obtained results from. I recently had a chronic case of Ciatica, i did the physical stuff, paid quite a bit of money, which i will admit i earned from the sweat of my brow (physical ) and saw a specialist. Result ? less money in my bank, still a bad back, in fact he made it worse.
I then used a more holistic thinking appoach, had a realisation that matter and so called reality were entirely plastic and frankly had no more substance to them than an idea or a dream. Next day the thing vanished.After years it went.
Years before this something else happened to me, something i had worked physically for for 20 years or so. I applied methods entirely non physical and obtained a results. A results that is entirely provable and what most would refer to as SOLID.
I will agree that ive also done things physically and obtained great results, i really do get you on that one, but when my physical efforts have failed me, my thinking has come to the rescue.
It works, and thats why i have a fascination for it. If it didnt produce tangible results im the kind of greedy shallow guy that would loose interest in it immediately. Im money orientated, very fond of the physical things of this reality and have found that my thinking, and the result its had on my CONSCIOUSNESS has produced stuff. Its not made me a better or worse guy, but its yielded things i can enjoy,live in ,drive and enjoy time with.....so why not be a little obsessed? M
answered 31 Oct '12, 07:42
Thought Manifests Reality. Yes or No.
If yes, then that very thought will become your reality if you accept and allow it. If you do not accept it, then what ever else you believe (hardwork?) will be your reality, proving that thought manifests reality.
If no, then it does not matter what you think, the reality is out there and the only way to impact it is by taking action, no matter what the energy or motivation (thought) behind that action.
To answer this question, we need to examine what is reality ? Is it subjective or objective ? Is it inside or outside ?
Next we need to examine, what is thought. Is it just an electro-chemical movement of nerve impulses in the brain or is thought a force by itself ? What if there was a finer world where thoughts were objects by them-self and your thinking a particular thought meant you are only tuning into that particular frequency of thought form object ? Then your dwelling on that thought means feeding it so that it becomes stronger and has already manifested in your mental reality, so that it becomes possible for it to manifest in your physical reality.
Every action that you do has a thought behind it. So even if you are working hard physically, you are actually applying the same principle of using thought power, only unconsciously. More important than doing, is the energy behind that doing, the intention and vibration that accompanies the action has an effect on the outcome of that action. Is that just a belief, just something that is good to hear and read about like a fairy tale, or is it the truth ? Only you can tell by experiencing it. Each person is free to create and manifest their own truth, this would prove that thought manifests reality.
About thinking away oilspills, could it be that the spills are created because of the collective negative thoughts and greed of humanity as a whole ? It may help to think positively to prevent such disasters ... About thinking away a drop of water from your coffee cup, I agree you have a point there. Its much more effective to physically empty the cup than to mentally argue away the drop when its clearly there in plain sight !
answered 30 Jan '12, 08:31
(Sorry had to answer on my own question but it was too long for comments..)
When someone talks of a scientific approach, it means - acknowledgment of the fact that we are human and can make mistakes - we are human and that our minds may play games with us if we didn't know better. As individuals we may make mistakes but collectively with the right approach - we can negate those. It is the quest for truth its a quest for truth in the most honest way possible -- It assumes nothing, is always open for correction, is always willing to give and share its knowledge.
I would love to buy your arguments on these things but your point has the same weight as the existence of lord zenu in $cientology or god Ra of the Egyptians.
Point is, Talk is cheap. Self delusion is very easy.
To answer Drham, Yes, I am very happy, and this is one more bone i have to pick. Happiness is not a universal purpose of life for everyone. Its an emotion - leave it at that. Live your life - solve your problems, work towards your goals not on one singular emotion. I think happiness is over-estimated and given more value than it deserves. Its a by product of living right. Its like profits in a business, You do a transaction right you will get profits. Profits are good but if you only want to extract the profits out of your client without doing anything else -- its called looting.
As far as reaping benefits is concerned I'll be only convinced when some guy can definitively predict consistently that he is going to impact reality with his thoughts only and then go about doing it. I have a small list you can start with.
1.He can start with moving the share prices in the stock market. 2.The bullion prices 3.World events 4.Fix oil spills by wishing them away - You can probably start with a single drop in a coffee cup filled with water for practice. If you can wish that away, I would suggest going to bigger things.
If you cant consistently and over a wide range of people prove this "Truth" of manifestation. Then it holds equal weight as a paranoid thinking the aliens are going to get him tomorrow.
What happens is, it's all in his head --
You think he'll rig it in his own favor?! you bet his mind will, and he himself probably won't have a clue. That's the beauty of self deception.
If any day I had to choose sad reality vs happy-lala-land-fantasy I would choose reality, cause then I have the power to accept things as they are and improve it so they are actually better. Rather than just fixing stuff in my head, wishing and dreaming about things getting better.
The whole 'thought-reality' approach seems to me as :
I love the fact that you guys have this community here that works towards personal growth -- but I would love to see more of
I am not new to this concept, I've been there, done that and come to this conclusion.
(thoughts) -> (actions) -> (reality impacted)
Rather than working on thoughts to control your behavior - which is effective only some of the time. Control your behavior directly and impact reality you will be much more effective.
(actions) -> (reality impacted)
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