I was recently reading about the wrath of God on non-believers. There are many stories that are true about the wrath of God on non-believers.

Very many people because they refused to respect and honor God were killed for their insolence.

Here are examples....


So it seems that is pretty scary to peeve God off!

What do you think about that?

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

asked 23 Jan '13, 00:12

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Wade Casaldi

edited 25 Jan '13, 02:15

will only say this:you reap what you sow.

(23 Jan '13, 00:19) white tiger

I do NOT believe in a vengeful God - never have, never will.

(23 Jan '13, 00:50) ele

if you live by the sword you will die by the sword. it is not God choice.who made the choice to live by the sword?

(23 Jan '13, 00:57) white tiger

As far as I can tell, everyone in this world is killed. Your question implies there is a way to avoid that wrath.

(23 Jan '13, 01:31) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer yes that is my point, Fredric Nietzsche said "God is dead." But look who is dead now. There is a tee shirt that says, "God is dead." - Nietzsche "Nietzsche is dead." - God.

(23 Jan '13, 02:05) Wade Casaldi

@Wade Casaldi I just read your link. No offense - but - If you believe Christian propaganda like that; no wonder your life sucks. Why can't you believe in a loving & merciful God? God is LOVE!

(23 Jan '13, 02:12) ele

Too late to edit - If I could, I would remove the word Christian before propaganda. That article was a slap in the face to true Christians. Apologies.

(23 Jan '13, 03:40) ele

it is not the power of creation, but its abuse that destroys. but remember all that is form eventually disintegrates

(23 Jan '13, 07:03) fred

@Wade Casaldi Not sure you got my point. My point is, people die while shouting "God is the Greatest!". Monks die, priests die, pastors die, loving, kind people die, self-help gurus die, indian yogis die, etc. If you believe the Bible to be based on historical events, Jesus himself died in a brutal manner and so did many of his disciples.

(23 Jan '13, 10:17) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer Wow! Yes I did completely miss your point! When you really think on it that way, that is so sad all those people died, you are right. Even I will someday be no more.

(23 Jan '13, 14:30) Wade Casaldi

@Wade Casaldi That is one perspective to hold. The other is that death is an illusion, we never die, no matter what we do or what seems to happen in the eyes of others. As the Bible puts it "He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God". We are that "he" and our bodies are that robe.

(23 Jan '13, 15:16) flowsurfer

be passer by. know your self if you do not want to be a carcass.if you bring forth what is in you it will save you.

(23 Jan '13, 15:30) white tiger

if you live by the sword you will die by the sword. it is not God choice.who made the choice to live by the sword? white tiger ~~~~~~~~~~~ Who made the choice to live by the sword???!!! Well, let's take a look. "The LORD is a man of WAR!!!!: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3 And please, do something about your atrocious grammar!!

(23 Jan '13, 17:24) crosby

@crosby you are trap in your own darkness.and you do not understand this.you want to pick a side are you in truth when you do that?or are you still in duality?would you cut your right hand or your left hand?why do you need to judge? to the mesure you judge also will you be judge.the word i have told you is the same word that will judge you in the end.

(23 Jan '13, 18:01) white tiger

it is the state of being unaware of how creation works that gives the impression of "the wrath of god"

(24 Jan '13, 12:55) blubird two
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I try to live a life without fear. I parent without fear. As a father the last thing I want is that my children should have to live with the fear of their fathers wrath.
I think the wrath of God was put in our conscious by man not God. And I am sure you can can come up with more stories of God fearing folk that have died than those that mocked the concept of...


answered 23 Jan '13, 04:11

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@ursixx - Excellent answer. What a wonderful father you are. If we had all grown up with such an influence and example as you are for your kids, we may have concieved of a very different idea of "God the father." Mmmmm, what a nice thought. Have another happy day, Papa U. ;)

(23 Jan '13, 21:51) Grace

Yes @ursixx is an awesome Dad & his answer is excellent. Unfortunately the traumas endured in childhood aren't always easily healed. For others, those injuries continued thru adulthood.

(23 Jan '13, 22:19) ele

Too true, @ele. I wish it were not.

(23 Jan '13, 23:39) Grace

@ele @Grace thanks ... and that's why should show love to all we meet to show them that love is possible...

(24 Jan '13, 16:59) ursixx

@ele you know @Grace said something in a comment a while back about "time travel" That little hurt kid lives on in our memories. And we travel back in our memories(time) from a present state of feeling good,and say to that little hurt in us that it will be OK and it will be better,A pep talk to the hurt kid. .Wish I could remember the question and where the comment was .It kind of puts in perspective for me that past ,present, are actually all NOW...

(25 Jan '13, 02:37) ursixx

...Don't know if I ever thanked @Grace for the wise words .. Thanks G ;)

(25 Jan '13, 02:38) ursixx

@ursixx Eerie how this place can bring up more pain from the past; past hurts you thought were dealt with & you were free of. Yes, I'm familiar with the process Grace posted (healing pain bodies from the past in the present) - traveling back in time from a place of feeling good to give comfort to that little child who is always there & remains forever a child. When a painful memory roars; instead of getting upset with your wounded child & making her feel even worse; you can choose to give

(25 Jan '13, 03:53) ele

@ursixx ... give her love & comfort for past hurts in the present. I think this process works better for childhood pain bodies, much better that say forgive & forget. Yes, seeing the past & present in the Now. Thanks for the reminder. No wonder people call you Papa U! lol!

(25 Jan '13, 03:55) ele

@ursixx - You're very welcome, I'm glad you like it. That is one helpful method that I really treasure - it is so comforting, and truly helpful. I wish I could remember where I first read about it myself, but it was long ago. This is where I shared: http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/52707/how-do-we-use-wrong-prong-bong-gong-and-the-power-to-create-worlds-past-present-and-future/52781

You reminded me that my smile may be the only one someone will see today, so I shared it freely. :)

(25 Jan '13, 22:30) Grace
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The real God is Light; God is Love. Love and Light are energy and energy does not have human attributes, (e.g. is not a "He", does not get angry, etc.,). The imposter god is another matter. That one can easily be distinguished by his title - the LORD God or LORD. Titles are man-made!! This god hijacked our planet and we're first introduced to him in Gen. 2:4. He's the one that introduced the silly "Apple Caper" in the Garden of Eden; he's the one who took "the Adam" (both male and female,[see Gen. 5:2]) and split it into 2 separate genders. How else could he introduce an "Eve?" The Infinite Divine Consciousness is something entirely different than "the LORD God" of the bible. He (LORD God) is the CEO of the largest corporation of all - PLANET EARTH INC., and we were created to be his slaves. "....... and there was not a man to till the ground." Gen. 2:5 No one is immune to his wrath because he is quite psychopathic and anyone can tell by reading how he caused outright genocide - Numbers 31:17-18 is one such example.


answered 23 Jan '13, 09:44

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the children of light are all equal in the eyes of the father.men have wrote the bible according to their understanding.the father is greater then all the children yet he see all as equal.does he not deserve anny good title that men can give him?what if i told you that the snake as given to eat the fruit of ignorance that cause duality and darkness to Eve and Adam.and that is really the cause of their fall from the garden.the real slave is the one in darkness but he does not know it.

(23 Jan '13, 15:43) white tiger

Just one question, white tiger. WHERE IS OUR DIVINE MOTHER IN THIS WHOLE PICTURE??!!! How is it that you can have a "father" but no Mother? Are you really unaware that there are 2 creation stories and each one has a different "god" involved? Do you not realize that the "God" in Genesis Chapter one is NOT the same one as in Genesis chapter 2 - "LORD God?" Are you not aware that "God" did NOT create Adam AND Eve, only the "Adam" and they were BOTH male and female in one (Genesis 5:2)?

(23 Jan '13, 16:06) crosby

@crosby are you aware that energy as no gender?are you aware that God is spirit and truth?are you aware that you are made in is image and are in a flesh body? are you not aware that men made bible according to their own understanding and that some under darkness have tried to use that to control people and not to control them self and know them self? are you aware of the living one in your presence?are you aware of the present moment?

(23 Jan '13, 16:15) white tiger

Your grammar and spelling errors makes it extremely difficult to follow what you're trying to say. Please edit and try again. The first word in each sentence begins with a capital letter. That's a good place to start. "Them self" - What is that?

(23 Jan '13, 17:13) crosby

@crosby white tiger does fairly well for someone to whom English is a second language.

How coherently could you write in French?

(23 Jan '13, 17:55) Wade Casaldi

@crosby Nice! Excellent answer & 1st comment.

@Wade Casaldi Yes, WT is French; but he also tends to be a bit on the lazy side IMO. No offense WT; but we all know you could do better if you 'chose' too. Experience & Enjoy!

(23 Jan '13, 19:54) ele

That's no excuse for not starting each sentence with a capitol letter. My mother tongue is not English either. Is there actually a language that does not use a capital letter to begin a sentence with? Also, I wouldn't dream of trying to communicate on a French language forum unless I was fluent in French because I KNOW I would not be able to express myself correctly. All I can do is apologize for not knowing 'white tiger' is not fluent in English.

(23 Jan '13, 22:55) crosby

I have a comment sent to me in my email inbox from 'white tiger' but I DO NOT find that comment on this forum. Here it is. What gives?

"@crosby you are trap in your own darkness.and you do not understand this.you want to pick a side are you in truth when you do that?or are you still in duality?would you cut your right hand or your left hand?why do you need to judge? to the mesure you judge also will you be judge.the word i have told you is the same word that will judge you in the end."

(23 Jan '13, 23:05) crosby

Strange how WT makes judgement of me (trapped in my own darkness) but turns around and tells me that I am the one doing the judging and that I will be judged by the same "word" that he/she has told me. Hmmmm, just who is judging whom here?

(23 Jan '13, 23:12) crosby

@crosby Actually to find that comment it is not here but under the main comment area at the top.

WT has actually been improving since he first joined here. Some of his earlier stuff was very cryptic and got him into fights not do to what he meant but what was misinterpreted to represent what he wrote. But even as Jai points out to me, my writing had vastly improved since I first joined here. So I believe this helps us all in more ways than we realize.

(24 Jan '13, 00:14) Wade Casaldi

@crosby I do not judge you i tell you the truth.but you do not understand the difference.You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me.are you with out sin to judge me?is this not what you said:if you live by the sword you will die by the sword. it is not God choice.who made the choice to live by the sword?

(24 Jan '13, 01:42) white tiger

white tiger ~~~~~~~~~~~ Who made the choice to live by the sword???!!! Well, let's take a look. "The LORD is a man of WAR!!!!: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3 And please, do something about your atrocious grammar!! Did you not pass a judgement,yet you did not know all the truth. you are still trap in duality: God is a men no God is a women and want to pick fight about that.You are looking for the ennemy on the outside but the real ennemy right now is on the inside. Why do you was the outside-

(24 Jan '13, 01:47) white tiger

of the cup? And do not wash the inside?Like i said to you,Would you cut your left hand or your right hand?would you not prefer to keep booth of your hand and make them work together?Why do you seek division? Are we not stronger united then divided?you speak against war yet you seek division.Is that peace?

(24 Jan '13, 01:55) white tiger

Here we go again. I have a comment from 'white tiger' in my email in-box, but cannot find it here.
'white tiger' wrote: "@crosby I do not judge you i tell you the truth.but you do not understand the difference.You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me." ~~~~~~~~~~~ The problem I have with that is, who told you the "Father" sent you? The bible? Where is our MOTHER???!!!!!!

(24 Jan '13, 08:44) crosby

White tiger, I have news for you. You simply cannot have a father without a mother. You cannot have 'life' without BOTH male AND female energy. Creation just simply does not work that way. There is a lot of "forbidden" info that sheds light on this subject. http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/exe.html - quote: "Wise men of old gave the soul a feminine name. Indeed she is female in her nature as well. She even has her womb."

(24 Jan '13, 11:12) crosby

@crosby I know all this but i will tell you one that you do not understand. Jesus said, "The person old in days won't hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live. http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html

(24 Jan '13, 11:17) white tiger

You also might like this passage.And the tree of eternal life is as it appeared by God's will, to the north of Paradise, so that it might make eternal the souls of the pure, who shall come forth from the modelled forms of poverty at the consummation of the age. Now the color of the tree of life is like the sun. And its branches are beautiful. Its leaves are like those of the cypress. Its fruit is like a bunch of grapes when it is white.

(25 Jan '13, 00:25) white tiger

Its height goes as far as heaven. And next to it (is) the tree of knowledge (gnosis), having the strength of God. Its glory is like the moon when fully radiant. And its branches are beautiful. Its leaves are like fig leaves. Its fruit is like a good appetizing date. And this tree is to the north of Paradise, so that it might arouse the souls from the torpor of the demons,

(25 Jan '13, 00:26) white tiger

in order that they might approach the tree of life and eat of its fruit, and so condemn the authorities and their angels. The effect of this tree is described in the Sacred Book, to wit: "It is you who are the tree of knowledge, which is in Paradise, from which the first man ate and which opened his mind; and he loved his female counterpart and condemned the other, alien likenesses and loathed them."

(25 Jan '13, 00:26) white tiger

this one also:Saying this, Pistis revealed her likeness of her greatness in the waters. And so doing, she withdrew up to her light. http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html

(25 Jan '13, 00:30) white tiger

When a multitude of human beings had come into existence, through the parentage of the Adam who had been fashioned, and out of matter, and when the world had already become full, the rulers were master over it - that is, they kept it restrained by ignorance.

(25 Jan '13, 00:42) white tiger

For what reason? For the following: since the immortal father knows that a deficiency of truth came into being amongst the eternal realms and their universe, when he wished to bring to naught the rulers of perdition through the creatures they had modelled, he sent your likenesses down into the world of perdition, namely, the blessed little innocent spirits. They are not alien to knowledge. For all knowledge is vested in one angel who appeared before them;

(25 Jan '13, 00:42) white tiger

he is not without power in the company of the father. And <he> gave them knowledge.

(25 Jan '13, 00:43) white tiger
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The Wrath of God!

Sounds pretty awful and terrifying...But I do not buy it for a minute! Why?

God is so...BIG. He is beyond our comprehension. I cannot believe that He would be intimidated by a Rock Star saying he is God. He probably laughed at the childishness of that statement. In fact, all our foibles must seem pretty amusing to God. I am a parent, as God is my parent. When my kids mess up, I shake my head, and say, "Here we go again! When will they listen???" But they do not, and yet I still love them, and always will.

We are mighty and intelligent creatures in the scheme of God's Mind. We matter greatly to Him, but we have to understand our place. We are just physical beings- finite and flawed- always imperfect.

All throughout the Old Testament, the pressure builds for man to be reconciled to God. God would give out a list of rules, and we would break the rules. The pressure built and built for man to be reconciled to God in some way. That is why Christ came. He was a perfect man/God who breached that gap, and brought us back to God's Love and redemption.

God is love. I refuse to believe, like Ele, in a God who would pay attention to such petty nonsense as you have shown. The Wrath of God is a myth used to frighten us into behaving.

That is all.

Love you,


EDIT: You know, this Wrath of God stuff is pretty engrained in me...I have been worrying ever since I posted my answer that God was gonna zap me and I would go !Poof! I guess you just cannot never truly be positive about God, one way or the other....:)



answered 23 Jan '13, 02:09

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edited 24 Jan '13, 00:43


@Jai "pretty engrained in me" ? Seriously? If you keep thinkin' like that; something will surely happen. Scary how powerful you mind is, isn't it!

(24 Jan '13, 00:59) ele

@ele-Things are a bit more complicated for me...I am revealing here a secret of my soul- treat it with care....I was severely abused as a child, and developed multiple personalities as a result...some of those personalities fear God very much...that it how it is possible for my "adult" and "learned" parts to be okay with God, whilst at the same time, my "child" parts are scared of God. Make sense? :)

(24 Jan '13, 17:11) Jaianniah

@Jai - You don't have to remind me; I did not forget. How could I? You won't allow it.
"treat it with care" You don't need any more tea & sympathy from me; it will not empower you. Sorry Dear, time is ticking. I wish you could see, I only want the best for you.

(24 Jan '13, 23:22) ele

@Jai Every time you choose NOT to act on a frightened part of your ego (personality), you create genuine power (empowering) & you grow spiritually. The fear based emotions from your ego come less often & with less force, allowing the loving part of YOU to fill up more and more of your consciousness. Finally, the fear based parts (scared/terrified inner child) lose their power over you entirely & only the loving parts remain.

(24 Jan '13, 23:23) ele

@Jai - "secret of my soul" - No, fear based ego (personality). Look at this as an opportunity to grow, heal & find peace. Always choose love. You said my "child" parts are scared of God. Make sense? :)" & I say to you "Did anything I've said make sense to you?"

(24 Jan '13, 23:46) ele
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