And yes, I mean a younger body. The thought that I am growing older makes me terrified of wasting time, which makes me anxious about whatever I am spending my time on, and it also makes me have an extremely short "time preference". Even something like going to college seems like an absurdly long investment that is just not worth making. I have debts that cost 6% a month in interest and I can't feel it in me that it's worth paying them off. I cannot see myself as a 30 year old and that is just a couple of years away. And that is 30, not even 40, 50 or 60. When I remember that I am growing older, everything that once gave me joy loses all value, it either becomes grey or outright hurts. The only thing that makes me feel good is youth and I don't care about anything at all if I can't have that.

asked 11 Apr '13, 20:01

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Has some interesting answers. The 'five rites' stuff is basically just saying: Do Yoga and you wont age. I highly concur that this is an excellent place to start, and as you begin working on the process you will find that more doors will open with other methods of maintaining youth.

(11 Apr '13, 20:10) Snow

I have trouble "working on the process" because I am afraid of not doing the right thing and wasting time on something that doesn't work. The five rites in particular, does not work as claimed, according to people who actually practice the exercises.

(11 Apr '13, 20:13) flowsurfer

You shouldn't judge any practice solely by the word of those who have attempted and failed at it. I can absolutely guarantee that proper application of stretching will do miracles for your body's health. Can I guarantee that everyone who attempts stretching will get these results? Of course not. Do you see the issue?

Listen to your body, practice disciplining yourself and your energy / chakras / whatever you want to label it, and do yoga. This is my instruction booklet for ME, and it works.

(11 Apr '13, 20:18) Snow

Snow has a valid point, some good places to start are yoga, Stretching, Exercise, Health and nutrition.. :) Our body is composed of a cellular structure, these cells are designed to regenerate. If we can put the proper things into our body to "feed" the cells, it can then start to help itself regenerate.

(11 Apr '13, 20:52) Dragonflybreeze

The problem is that it seems to me that people that take good care of their body through exercise and nutrition don't do much better, and sometimes do worse, than people that don't. I don't want to be a healthy 50 year old. Youth to me is measured mainly by the appearance of the skin; you may not be able to tell exactly how old someone is, but you can easily classify them as young or old with a glance. I am not even thinking about things like bad joints or lower libido when I think of aging.

(11 Apr '13, 21:03) flowsurfer

Please explain here why you downvoted

This was an accidental down vote. I believe I fixed it now.

(11 Apr '13, 21:16) Wade Casaldi

@Wade, when it gives you that prompt saying "please explain here" you can simply not comment or cancel it. It is simply a helpful reminder from the administration that if you're downvoting (intentionally) you should consider sharing your reasons, not mandatory. =)

(11 Apr '13, 21:35) Snow

@Flowsurfer: There are ways to maintain youth as you desire. Outward youthful appearance. But that isn't the first step, that's higher up the ladder. At the risk of sounding redundant it sounds like you're trying to run and do flips before you can crawl. I understand and STRONGLY empathize with your impatience, as they are traits I share in spades, but if you aren't willing to go through the steps I'm afraid you are likely to have more trouble with the process than is necessary.

(11 Apr '13, 21:37) Snow

@Snow Can you share with me why you think this? Can you share why you think Yoga is a good place to start and what you perceive the other steps to be? Why you even believe there is a "ladder"?

(15 Apr '13, 18:11) flowsurfer

Well, I saw a wheelchair hanging somewhere around here. Let me know if it's serious.

And you can always follow legacy of Jack Lalanne and be young forever.

(16 Apr '13, 07:16) CalonLan
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Age 20-21 was a milestone for me. I realized I was now a legally responsible adult.

My best friend had decided that all life, for him, would be over at 26. He consistently mentioned that he was going to suicide on his 26th birthday because it would all be "downhill" for him after that birthday. We lost touch when he was in his mid-50s, but he was still going strong.

Age 30 another milestone for me, but a bigger one was 33. I thought about how much Christ had accomplished by that age and how little I had, comparatively, accomplished.

But the financial basis I was growing was beginning to bear fruit.

Age 40. Personal power was dramatically increasing.

Age 50. Felt an additional boost, after that birthday. Mature ability and power continuing to grow. After a few starts, found the relationship of my dreams. Still going strong. After four previous marriages, kept looking and found her. We have now been married for longer than the total of the first four.

Age 60. Stronger yet with the additional benefit of "not giving a crap about what other people thought." Hadn't cared a lot before that age, but by then it was solidified and consolidated.

Facing age 70. Great physical condition. Doctor 25 years younger than me told me I was "disgustingly normal," and in better shape than him

Yesterday loaded 2500 pounds of roofing tar in 50 pound pails. Felt good. Today will drive my completely restored 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville to the chiropractor. Might drive my 1959 Cadillac convertible instead. Ah, the difficult decisions!

Not bad for a kid that grew up on a farm with a four room house, a coal stove for heat and an outhouse. I also had serious bronchitis and almost died from complications that led to pneumonia.

As a child, we were given a school assignment of what we expected to be, to have as an adult. My paper was about a 50 year old Bill. Though I listed only about 1/3 of the things I have accomplished, my teacher turned the paper back to me and told me to rewrite it. She said that she was not interested in "fantasy" but wanted me to be "realistic," or I was going to get an "F" on the paper. How could a sickly child from a dirt-poor family even think about these accomplishments?

I handed it back to her and told her, "I am going to do and be these things. I am not giving up on my dreams." I got an "F". Since I had never gotten below a "C+" on anything before, I showed my paper to my mother, and told her what had happened.

She completely supported me. Though she never said so, I think she had a talk with that teacher because the teacher's attitude changed. I still got the "F" but I really did not care. I had my dream and I knew that seed would grow. It did.

I appreciate that you keep coming back and asking for answers. Also that you do explore the responses given by other IQ Members. You are trying and I honor that persistence. It is the hallmark of all great people.

The seeds you are planting are growing. You will certainly have the joy you wish and whatever manifestations you desire.

Maybe some of the suggestions given here will help. Maybe you will create powerful techniques that will not only help you, but many others.

For now, my wife and I will continue to see those seeds unfolding in you. Will continue to see you as a powerful man unfolding in joy. The joy that you came here to experience. The Joy that is yours. A tall man with great skin!

Happy Birthday @flowsurfer and many more.


answered 12 Apr '13, 08:43

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Dollar Bill

Enjoyed reading this Bill. Didn't you become an adult at 18? Right to drink & you had to sign up for the Draft at age 18 if you were male. Your difficult decisions made me laugh.

(12 Apr '13, 09:07) ele

hmm I always get a vibe of a guy who is 25 and passionate about life when I read your answers. And obviously you have that attitude. Very inspiring story Dollar Bill! Thanks.

(12 Apr '13, 09:23) releaser99

Aha! Now we have the crux of the problem laid out before us...Aging, approaching thirty...What to do? What to do?

Darling, I wish with all my heart that I was twenty-something once again. It would be wonderful!

Why did God design such a world that all upon it seem to be on a conveyor belt of time? All heading towards...


If I became twenty-seven again, here is what I would have to give back to Life. Here is what I would have to return to time:

 1. My daughter, Kimberly, who I had at
age 30.
 2. Enjoying the last twenty years of my Father's life
 2. Enjoying the last years of my grandmother's life.
 3. The time I spent with my best dog, a Labrador retriever we named
 4. Max, my Maine Coon cat, who will always be the "best boy ever".
 5. The years of illness where I learned about suffering and about
having courage.
 6. The years of writing for Inward Quest- the best of all.
 7. Meeting Wade in 2004 at an age far past yours, and eventually
falling in love with him, moving to
Pennsylvania, etc.
 8. All the precious years of watching my kids grow up and have
kids of their own.
 9. The years of going to college with one leg being eaten by a
necrotizing bacteria and surviving
 10. Learning to appreciate life and that growing old is not for sissies.
 11. All the beautiful crystals I have collected, bought, sold, and
admired...that goes for all the beautiful things  God has graced
me with over the years.
 12. I could go on and on....

Do you see? You trade your youth for love. You trade your youth for experience. You trade your youth for accomplishments, and most of all, you learn to live God's Will and not your own.

Surfer dude, it's time to say so long to your childhood and become a man.

You will not be sorry you did it. Not at all.




answered 11 Apr '13, 21:06

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edited 11 Apr '13, 21:12

@Jai , two hands clapping , hard to encompass what the years bless us with , but a pretty good effort here ;-)

(11 Apr '13, 21:31) Starlight

I'm sorry but that doesn't comfort me in the slightest. I know you mean well so don't take my reaction personally, I appreciate your attempt to answer.

(15 Apr '13, 18:21) flowsurfer

Hi flowsurfer, i consider this question to be about "fear", the bit about "how do i grow younger" is just an extension.

Having said that, fear is a learned emotion, we are not born with fear, it is something that we learn by experience, thus it can be unlearned. It's as if you have built a carapace around yourself to protect yourself from your own inner fears, and it's stifling in there.

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There are of course authentic fears, in the case of real physical danger we can experience legitimate fear that dissipates once the danger is gone.

The greatest fear for most people is death and the desire to grow younger is a way of delaying it. Life, if we describe it as being the period between birth and death is our most precious "possession", however "life" cannot be isolated and put into a bottle for all to see, it is that indefinable quality that manifests itself spontaneously.So we cannot possess it, life is not ours to possess, we can only wonder. All attachment is source of pain, life then becomes a learning process during which we learn to let go of it, through unconditional love.

I love lists they assist me in remembering the essential points, here is a short list of how to overcome fear;

1 Analyse your fear - recognize your fear it's the first step towards controlling it - describe what your fear is all about that way you put it in a container - imagine the outcome when you conquer the fear.

2 Take control - expose yourself to small doses of your fear - meet your fear head on - persevere in beating it.

3 Change your way of seeing things - see it as an interesting opportunity to progress.

4 Allow yourself to face fearful situations and celebrate your victories over fear.

"The best way to conquer fear is to consciously move toward the feeling and breathe. As you do this the fear dissolves. Fear is just a feeling; it cannot hurt you. Don't be afraid of your feelings. Just continue to feel and move forward." quote - Christine Day.


answered 13 Apr '13, 02:46

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edited 13 Apr '13, 02:51

I've read many of those same articles over the years in regards to babies & fear. For the most part I agree, fear is a learned response. I'm familiar with the 'Emotional Brain'; on my to read list. I haven't seen any real hard core data on this. An argument could be made fear is instinctive & innate. In my experience, I've observed newborns react in fear. You ever see a nervous anxious newborn? Yes, they are usually picking up on the mom's vibes; but not always. If ALL fear is a matter ...

(14 Apr '13, 21:15) ele

of... conditioning, newborns must learn fast. I love your list. Instead of telling myself I have to write 'whatever' down, I'm going to say "I love lists" lol! A positive affirmation & not a chore. love it! I laugh at the pic & couldn't concur more with your 'breath' quote. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

(14 Apr '13, 21:17) ele

Sure, fear is a learned response. That is because fear is the anticipation of harm. If there was no harm, there would be no fear. Fear is not a bad thing any more than remembering a phone number is a bad thing. There is no benefit to conquering my fear of getting older because the harm I perceive is not in the fear but in what I am afraid of. I don't want to grow older. Not feeling the fear still leaves me in a state of apathy (paralysis) because aging strips down all values from life.

(15 Apr '13, 18:06) flowsurfer

The how do I grow younger is not "an extension", it is the question. The fear part is a statement. It is like all life completely evaporates from my body when aging and the way it moves in on direction only enters my mind. If I see myself ten years from now as ten years older, I completely freeze, there is no energy in me anymore.

(15 Apr '13, 18:07) flowsurfer

I literally lose the desire to continue living.

(15 Apr '13, 18:13) flowsurfer

@ru bis I was going to attempt an answer until I read yours. I totally agree and I would just add @flowsurfer that your thoughts on aging will probably age you quicker than anything else you do.It would serve you more to embrace the aging process and discover the wonderful gifts it contains. And I have a feeling when you do so your energy will begin to flow more and as a result you will feel younger :)

(15 Apr '13, 19:45) Michaela

That is never going to happen Michaela. I am never going to "embrace" aging. I don't want to feel younger, I want to be young. There are no gifts in growing old.

(15 Apr '13, 19:49) flowsurfer

@flowsurfer...So just BE young. In the bigger picture this moment we call a lifetime is merely a drop in the're just a baby. Enjoy and have Fun!!...that will keep you young :))

(15 Apr '13, 19:55) Michaela

How can I possibly enjoy and have fun Michaela? I'm sincerely asking this because I don't see a way.

(15 Apr '13, 20:04) flowsurfer
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it is within your domain
to keep yor vehicle
operating by intended
specifications, but you

cannot have it do more
than it was designed for
know thyself


answered 12 Apr '13, 19:26

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What kind of cruel sadistic God would make a body that inevitably decays as the human body does?

(15 Apr '13, 18:10) flowsurfer

your anger at wanting material form to be forever is off the mark, He learns as we and all other creations given life by His power learn

(15 Apr '13, 18:40) fred

I am not angry; I am hurt.

(15 Apr '13, 18:55) flowsurfer

I can't see value in life. I don't see any reason to pursue anything or to refrain from hurting others.

(15 Apr '13, 18:57) flowsurfer

"I am not angry; I am hurt." I've told you this before & I'm going to repeat it. Get angry! @flowsurfer Being hurt will get you nowhere. It drains you; takes away your power. No one likes a pity party.

(16 Apr '13, 01:35) ele

flowsurfer, in time, through experiences the gift of this life becomes clearer. if anger pushes you forward it has served its purpose, but when held onto it is as a poison

(16 Apr '13, 07:11) fred
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I am not old,I was just born a long time ago. Getting old is a state of mind that you base on time. You know about living in the NOW. It's been talked about here before. Have you read the book yet? (The power of Now) . Your never going to be older than you are right now. It's that Ego based fear of the future, that drives these questions and your fears.

The years you add to your life adds quality to your life. You have read @Dollar Bills and @Jaiannaih answers .It seems that you are possibly reflecting on someone else's negative experience. This does not need to be yours . It's your choice. Choose Life in the NOW ,and age will never be a problem .

Please relax, open your mind, turn off the ego defenses and listen to the 2 clips. Read the book or I think even better listen to the audio book. Do some searches on YouTube ,Power of Now and Tolle's discussions.


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