I have been practicing LOA and I am getting quite good at feeling good and when I feel good all is great! However, I wondered this weekend if it is selfish to always feel good? (I did see the other question about LOA being selfish; I understood that question to be about using LOA to bring abundance). What I am asking is: that now I have learned through Abraham's teachings to feel good most of the time, if I let it slip for a bit and say, watch the world news, and see all the suffering in the world etc; if I then go back into LOA and start to feel personally good again, is that ignoring the reality of what is going on in the wider world? It can feel like turning a blind eye and living in a protected space which feels great...but is that right?
I know you can never worry enough to make someone else happy, but should you ignore all the problems around? I have practiced enough to do that! but is it right? Is it selfish to feel good for the rest of your life?! Does it mean you care less about the suffering? Its hard to care and be detached at the same time but maybe that is the answer. Care in a theoretical way, but don't let it bring down your own vibration? Is that okay, or still kind of selfish, say, compared to people that are actively trying to improve the world?!
I know LOA says you have to feel good to help others; but I feel a bit guilty about feeling this good when so many other people are clearly suffering... In a way it feels like living in my own fantasy world, but a really good one and I am starting to manifest the stuff i've wanted.. But I feel guilty about it as others are suffering..
Is it possible to feel really happy yourself, when you know others are suffering on this earth?
I know you can spread the word to them, but unless they are ready they won't hear you...
asked 12 Feb '12, 14:13
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A-H daily quotes 02/12/2012. Love how quotes fall into place.. It's easier to feed the hungry when you are not hungry.It is simpler to help the poor when you have cash.
answered 13 Feb '12, 05:50
"Love how quotes fall into place." I was thinking the same after reading this quote yesterday. Seems to fit perfectly with this question.
(13 Feb '12, 12:52) Cory
I would like to offer a different perspective to your question, forget about all the Abraham teachings or spritual teachings.
Your question is Is it possible to feel really happy yourself, when you know others are suffering on this earth?
Well, my question back would be What can you possibly do to help those who are also suffering, if you choose to suffer yourself too when you have an option not to?
Are you saying that I shouldn't enjoy a nights out with my friend, I shouldn't enjoy playing my favorite computer games or watching my favorite TV shows just because there are, for instance, children suffering from famine and poverty in under-developed countries, just because there are people dying in accidents everyday and people losing their loved ones everyday?
Hell no of course, perharps I should bury myself in misery, thinking about all the poor kids in South Africa and the people who die from accidents everyday.. Is that actually what you are doing everyday ?
I believe that some people on this site probably know that I stopped following Abraham for a while and temporarily, but even without their teachings your question sounds a bit absurd and ridiculous (no offense) to me, so it is little wonder that your question has drawn a little "flak".
answered 13 Feb '12, 07:16
@Jodie I see you deleted your comment but I still received it, firstly I never claimed mine was spritual advice (thats why I said to forget about all the spritual teachings). Secondly, that is just me..sometimes I can't find better words which might be able to bring the same point across which is why I wrote the words in brackets because I know some people might be offended by it. If you feel offended, then I offer you my sincere apologies
(13 Feb '12, 08:24) kakaboo
thank you! apologies accepted! (i deleted it because i didn't want anything to escalate as it can on these forums with other people throwing their 10 cents in!) But does that mean that if you delete stuff people still see it? Thats not good; i sometimes write stuff out, then when i've gotten it off my chest i delete it! Also our exchange did make me think in an abstract way about Jesus; I wonder what he would have been like if he was on these forums...would he have been really polite and courteous, or direct and to the point...not suffering fools gladly etc! would he have come on these forums at all?! Have a great day!
(13 Feb '12, 08:57) jodie
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(13 Feb '12, 10:04) Barry Allen ♦♦
First, when you feel sad for another person, you help them not. You, feeling sad/discomfort, are placing yourself outside your vortex and are pinching off your power that could otherwise help.
Second, when you see another person as sad, you reinforce and empower their sadness.
I read a report on one of the most impoverished nations on earth, disease, famine, illiteracy, poor government -- yet according to the "happiness index" the people are some of the happiest.
My point is that you see others from YOUR frame of reference and say to yourself that IF you were in a similar situation, you would be unhappy.
If you see their good qualities, you empower them. If you see lack, you empower lack. When you see their good, you see them as Source sees them. My abundance in no way detracts from the universal supply.
The only way you can truly help is to get in your vortex, by following your good feelings. Then see their good, see where they are powerful, and empower that state.
Everyone lives in their own universe. Everyone! When you feel good, you bring empowered images of people around you. When you focus on good, you feel good. Stay with this concept.
You are writing the script of your life. You can fill your universe with happy people or sad people. It is your choice.
Fighting darkness creates more darkness. Focusing on darkness creates more darkness.
The bowl of life is always full. Fill your bowl with light and give no room for darkness.
answered 13 Feb '12, 07:16
(13 Feb '12, 07:46) jodie
"The bowl of life is always full. Fill your bowl with light and give no room for darkness." Yes exactly we need to be in a position that we could be used by God to help, not to sink with them where we need help too. +1
(13 Feb '12, 09:43) Wade Casaldi
Wade, Mother Teresa said, "I am a pencil in God's hand." God is our Source. I used to think that I needed to do it all, alone. "Struggle" was my middle name! Now, I find that when I listen for the Inspiration, wonderful, easy manifestations appear, but it IS a co-creation.
(13 Feb '12, 10:46) Dollar Bill
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Jodie, I'll make this short. What's bad about being selfish. I propose this is how you are suppose to feel. Spend more time on yourself and less time on the news.
I do not mean selfish in a stingy way, or being non-compassionate. I sure you not like that anyway.
I mean if you can bring your dreams into reality, you should. There is more abundance on Earth then is needed by all the people put together. Since your not responsible for dividing it up, why worry about it.
Give if you can.
answered 12 Feb '12, 17:57
that is hlepful Tom, thanks for answer!
(12 Feb '12, 19:56) jodie
Having compassion and helping others feels good. When I can help people very depressed for example I need to be happy and in a place that I can be of help. If I sink into a depression along with them then all I would achieve is maybe joining the other I am helping.
We are to be in the world but not of the world, to be the light bearers shining the way for others less fortunate. We can not help by dousing our lights so that we are miserable with those we need to help.
Whom is better equipped for the task of helping a poverty struck man, a man of means or a man whom is also poverty struck? I found out a long time ago if I am to be of any help I need to stay in the life boat and reach others and pull them in with me, not jump into the water with them so we all drown.
This is what I see about keeping our vibration high, Jesus healed because his vibration frequency was higher than those that needed his help. He was in a place where he knew he had plenty to give and was glad to give as well.
It is in sympathy that we can help but empathy we just join those that need help. When we go to a dark place we are to be that light for everyone there. We may be the only light for God at that place for those people.
Let your light shine! :-)
answered 12 Feb '12, 21:12
thanks, makes sense to me!
(13 Feb '12, 07:48) jodie
That quote right there is all you really need to be focusing on. If all is great when you are feeling good, then why take that "good feeling" away by focusing on something negative. I know it can feel hard sometimes to have that logic not make any sense, but it really is that simple. You are the only one who controls your body so why let some source outside of you control how you feel.
You can help nobody by feeling bad or guilty regarding their situation. If you feel bad and that other person is feeling bad, where is the good (that is life) left in the world. If we all sit around feeling bad about people in dire situations, and they are feeling bad in their dire situation, then the whole world is feeling bad and where does that negative feeling lead to...more bad situations and circumstances.
I also believe the word "moral" or "morally correct" are just words that come from our ego's limited perspective. It's a word that (at least in my mind) exudes the feeling of "having to conform to the opinion of others." It's a word that easily pulls the power from you as a deliberate creator and spreads that power in many different other moral directions. It also produces the feeling of guilt, which in my personal experience is one of the most unhelpful and worthless feelings a human being can experience. Guilt does nothing but act like a tape recorder on a loop. You keep playing that bad emotion over and over and over again, and it leads to a chronic feeling of helplessness and unworthiness.
There is a way to help others though. You can feel good as much as you can throughout your day by focusing on the now moment and enjoying the good feeling you get from that moment. You can see in your minds eye and practice visualizing the negative circumstances and situations in the positive light that you would prefer to see them. That way you are sending out good positive vibrations to the world and also experiencing good positive vibrations for yourself. That is definitely a win win situation compared to the the doubly bad situation that I mentioned above now isn't it?
The more we help ourselves, the more we can help other people. That may sound like a selfish statement, but couldn't be further from the truth. The following quotes are perfect explanations of what I mean by helping ourselves.
"One person who is in the Vortex is more powerful that one million who are not."
"Be the change that you want to see in the world."
answered 13 Feb '12, 13:39
I understand what you're saying... I've felt guilty at times, too. But feeling guilty or upset for someone else doesn't help them at all. At the same time, you don't have to ignore others problems if you don't want to. You can start a charity or donate to a charity, maybe work for free, buy the next homeless person you find a hot meal, help the community in some small way... and you can feel great doing it.
If someone you know is hurting, you don't have to feel sad with them. I had a friend who I went to, balling my eyes out, hating the world and my life once... she was there for me and helped me. But unlike most of my friends, who just criticized the other person, she went a more positive route. She took me out to eat at my favorite place. We went to places I've never been. She just made sure I had fun, and I did. She felt bad for me, but she said almost immediately to herselfthat she was going to make me feel better.
So what I'm saying is... you can feel good, but that doesn't mean your turning your back to someone. You might not be able to save the world... or maybe you will... but you can help others and make a difference. You don't have to feel guilty for feeling good about your life.
answered 12 Feb '12, 14:46
All the answers here are good. So I'll just go with this answer by Marianne. I couldn't do better...
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, "Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?" Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small doesn't serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we're liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."
~by Marianne Williamson in A Return to Love: Reflections On The Principles of A Course In Miracles, p. 165, HarperCollins, 1992
answered 13 Feb '12, 13:59
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"I am getting quite good at feeling good" - Really? Did someone else write the ranting in Are you a Spiritual Anarchist? :) You're not trolling IQ, are you? :)
@Stingray, your some detective I didn't catch that tell after I gave her a sincere answer. Then I read you comment above. It does task me some now, thanks
From now on I might try for insight on who is real!
@jodie - bi-polar or simply confused?
to the people above.. yeah i wrote both questions... what is odd about that?! No-one is that 1 dimensional that they can't feel different ways at different times! Just because I can practice LOA and get in the vortex doesn't mean I don't have any unresolved questions about life after death etc! LOA has not yet explained the mechanics of that to me in detail: otherwise I would not be asking! Sometimes its interesting to explore theoretical points as well as practicing feeling good... Abraham always says: you would have to stand back pretty far to know what we know about why you made the choice to be here... That is what I was questioning in my other post! If I confused you...that wasn't intentional..i've never been here before.. i hope its not somewhere where people gang up.. I was genuinely asking 2 different but interconnected questions... I think spiritual forums should give people the benefit of the doubt before they start judging... You don't know a person so why call them bipolar?? I'm not by the way! Is a troll a fake? Well I'm not fake but if you want to think so, so be it! bye!
@jodie, not a judgment, merely a question. Thanks for clarifying your thoughts. I suggest searching through the questions and answers on IQ as many things you mention have been covered at least once. A troll is a kind of internet forum trouble maker. You don't seem to be a troll or a fake. Hang around, all views are welcome :)
@jodie - "Is a troll a fake? Well I'm not fake" - Very odd way you've phrased that comment. Seems to be an admission that you are trolling :) In any case, I don't really care - your true intentions are your business. Most of the people on IQ are very genuine and supportive and will answer your questions sincerely even if they are intended to just "stir" people up.
Welcome to IQ jodie keep the questions and answers coming......