Must we be genetically predetermined to do so? Why have only a few succeeded?

asked 27 Apr '10, 12:18

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edited 01 Dec '11, 09:03

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I think we all have the potential within us to realize full enlightenment but few people ever attain it, because on some level we are unwilling to completely let go of the self conceptualized me and that self conceptualized me clouds our perception to reality.

Those who have succeeded have taken that leap of faith and have stopped identifying with the thoughts generated by their human ego and, consequentially, they live their lives from a higher perspective in complete alignment with their Divine Source. They have transcended all suffering and needing that has been created by the human ego and as a result are able to perceive it all as the illusion that it really is.

I think we spend a lot of our time trying to reach enlightenment or make it happen but parodoxically striving will never get us there; it is only by a willingness to let go and hand over complete control to that Divine Source that we can hope to attain some degree of enlightenment.


answered 27 Apr '10, 13:50

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@Michaela, that answer resonates with me :-) I still wonder what prompts any individual to awakening tho. I'll ask that as a question when I get time, if someone else doesn't ;-)

(28 Apr '10, 08:04) Eddie

@Eddie - These answers might help:-)

(28 Apr '10, 11:42) Michaela

@Michaela. Thanks for the link. Nice post, but the question wasn't answered, at least not in a way that's satisfying to me. I've asked Abraham and Bashar now, as I'm sure that from their perspective, they do know :-)

(11 May '10, 02:49) Eddie

@ Eddie - I'd be interested in hearing those answers :-)

(11 May '10, 11:56) Michaela

michaela i like very much what you are saying.the illusion(removing the veils of the soul) part is before reaching dhyana state.

(02 Dec '11, 23:43) white tiger

Thanks white tiger :)

(06 Dec '11, 04:15) Michaela

Great choice of words! Basically saying "we can't all reach it because we're intrinsically egoists". While to me that doesn't really answer the question, it doesn't matter. It's a great path to try to change and it's probably the most direct reason anyway, which can be attacked and dealt with. Thanks for that.

(27 Jan '12, 08:50) Cawas

yes cawas you can reach it pass the ego and ignorance. you have free will. and yes it does matter. and yes it is a great path and the most direct to deal with the root of the problem. and +1 to you.

(27 Jan '12, 17:12) white tiger
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reluctance to tread the path, letting others do ones thinking, mis-understanding the law of cause and effect, 21st century denial of inseverable connection with all of life


answered 03 May '10, 01:01

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Enlightenment in not a choice conceptually speaking...

It is not reserved for a chosen few either. It is available to anyone at anytime. Yet as already mentioned no one can make it happen.

There is not a plan of attack, procedure or a step by step process to enlightenment. There is no such plan. Using words, as limiting as they are to convey an experience which is anchored and understood, for the most part, via an identity and a biography in time is a cycle that can seem to run endlessly. The mind loves to keep it that way.

I will also say that behind the transparency of words or any tangible expression which seems to arise in front of what we already are, a potential may arise to recognized a natural emptiness within, and yes this can be triggered so that a potential for a shift may arrise. Within this recognition others insights can arise. Yet that is only a potential.

Awareness, or what most seekers know of awareness is not consciousness. This is a huge conceptual and collective belief among many seekers. They reason because they become the watcher and are the observing perspective watching "my thoughts" or process thereof, then that's consciousness or even enlightenment. Yet, that perspective still has his or her hand full in doing something. When we temporarily use the watcher or witness discipline for instance, the observing quality that is there witnessing or observing without judgment is not, for the most part, seeing or witnessing ITSELF long enough for something deeper to unfold. That is awareness does not endure long enough to expand and eventually break thru the last concrete ceiling of yet too busy in being the witness (which seems to be something a perspective position is still doing) to truly see its own transcendence. That is, the witness is not WITNESSED. It seems that the witness gets stuck yet again in doing something we call being "aware."

There is still a fixation, a drive to maintain a subject and object relationship. We take this umbilical cord with us from no other than the mind. You don't get off the hook that easy, which is also why this awareness or gap is so fleeting. So awareness itself still has to evolve. Yet, it keeps itself busy in the business of being aware. It's way too preoccupied doing this and does not recognize itself as a primary quality of vigilance. Once this is seen, when awareness becomes aware of itself..then a shift can take place. But until that recognition arises, awareness, regardless of what we are told it is, remains in it's own form of duality. If this this shift truly unfolds, a widening, an unimaginable divide commences of its own accord between what you believed to be your entire existence and that which is the one primary source of consciousness. Following this is a collapse of that processed existence and identity. No more time, no more you

There are VERY few authors out there who really know what they are talking about. The rest speak of skydiving without ever jumping out of a plane


answered 14 Jul '10, 05:01

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edited 14 Jul '10, 12:48

you can make it happen but are you ready to make it happen? are you able to make your soul (mind and hearth) pure. are you ready to face the unknow even death? are you able to let go in pure faith awareness and focus?

(02 Dec '11, 00:04) white tiger

every one can reach enlightement through meditation if they can pass the veil of the mind! the only one stopping you is you!those veil of the mind are the limit stopping you!what stop you from doing that fear ego ignorance!what you need devotion focus calm pure hearth and mind and remove those veil! when you see no way out outside from you it is sign that you need to go in to find that way! can you pass that test? are you ready? do you have the faith? are you ready to do the works? can you go over duality and have a full understanding? if god would ask you to bear the cross and take on you people judgement and sin would you be ready to do that? experience and enjoy.


answered 16 May '11, 15:11

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white tiger

edited 30 Nov '11, 18:30

All philosophy aside, I personally would like to define "illuminated" ones as being those "self realized" who are able to mostly just enjoy life as it is. And that, I can guarantee, is not just "a few" and only depends on your own will.


Michaela said it all. Most of us can't reach that "self realized" state probably because we are all genetically egoists beings made that way because early on we needed that behavior to survive. If so, then nowadays it would certainly be better if we were able to suppress our stiffness at will, as to live better in such a big community as we are today.


answered 27 Apr '10, 16:44

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edited 27 Jan '12, 08:55

We are speaking of two different things...

One is a mind made definition that remains comfortable where that perspective is able to mostly "enyoy life" ..and that's fine...nothing wrong with that. Yet this is not enlightenment. It's that warm fuzzy feeling about it. It's a safe, comfortable and acceptable interpretation the mind can live with.

As definitions and labels go, we can remain comforted with our lives as we know them, and a balance between the idea that we have to search and no search at all can apparently establish itself. But sooner or later that splinter surfaces again.

(14 Jul '10, 18:58) no1wakesup

@no1wakesup I just realized none of this is actually addressing the question... :-o

(27 Jan '12, 08:46) Cawas

I think it is because of the choices made, for example this question could easily be turned around to say, "Why aren't all humans great scientist like Nicola Tesla?" Or, "Why aren't all humans great musical artist like Jimi Hendrix?"

I believe that we are all as human in an opportunity to be like anyone else it is the effort we put into what we want. The question is what do you desire the most that is so strong you are willing to make it your life?

These people that became what you see as extraordinary in their achievement didn't just fall into what they became, even the Dali Lama had to study, he had to train, he had to become what he is.

Edit added

Furthermore if we all everyone became illuminated we would be like clones. There would be no verity in the world. The internet wouldn't exist. Everyone would be like Jesus entirely with no needs or wants, just being in God entirely. There would be no music or art, nothing different because no one would feel a need to be or do something different. Work would stop. Everyone would live off of the good will and kindness of others. But there would be no others with money to provide that good will and kindness.

We need differences. Different people wanting different things. Different people doing different things. It is how the body of God functions. This is how your own body functions. All cells in your body can not be the antibodies. Even though yes the antibodies are the warrior cells that kill off virus. All cells of our bodies can not be the antibodies. We need bone cells, skin cells, blood cells, brain cells and organ cells. All of this verity is needed for the body to exist. Not only this all of this is needed for any of those cells to exist. If all were exactly the same there would be no body to host any of them.


answered 30 Nov '11, 21:28

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Wade Casaldi

edited 01 Dec '11, 15:20

yes wade many want something but are not ready to do what is neccesary.

(01 Dec '11, 01:59) white tiger

Marvelous! +1 Love you,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

(01 Dec '11, 15:27) Jaianniah

wade, we each have our individuality unless we will it away. and within the possible combinations of our primary, secondary & tertiary makeup of the seven rays of white light will most likely not let your edit become reality, unless, again we will it away by following instead of thinking. And yes we each do have a unique coat of skin also

(01 Dec '11, 23:00) fred

What I am saying is all levels are needed, if every single person was like just Jesus on earth we would all be the same. Like all being the head of the coin with no tails the coin does not exist with only one side it needs two sides.

(02 Dec '11, 01:47) Wade Casaldi

i do not agree with what you said wade that nothing would exist.and that we would all be is not the provider of good will and kindness. if someone gives you a hand and is kind with you do you think it is the money that provide that? also are you not doing what you want to do in life? or are you just doing it for the money?

(02 Dec '11, 03:49) white tiger

But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a fraction of a penny.

Luke 21:3 "I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others.

(02 Dec '11, 04:50) white tiger

1 Corinthians 12 12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.

15 Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reas

(02 Dec '11, 05:49) Wade Casaldi

it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable,

(02 Dec '11, 05:51) Wade Casaldi

23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

(02 Dec '11, 05:53) Wade Casaldi

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.

(02 Dec '11, 05:54) Wade Casaldi

The Bible agrees with me, all can not be the same, every person has a reason and together we all form the body of God.

(02 Dec '11, 05:55) Wade Casaldi

do not all have the spirit. do not all love. and yet they are not clones. Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

(02 Dec '11, 22:51) white tiger

Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

(02 Dec '11, 22:54) white tiger

think about it wade money is men said: But there would be no others with money to provide that good will and kindness. when a men help you is it money that provide it? or is he giving you something worth alot more then money?

(03 Dec '11, 00:02) white tiger

i am not saying that right now we do not need money because we live in this world and money is part of the system that men created. but you should know things for what the are. and know the meaning and value. then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.

(03 Dec '11, 00:06) white tiger

Yes, money is needed for food. We could hunt for food but we still need money to buy a bow and buy arrows so to face it if we haven't money we haven't food.

(03 Dec '11, 01:45) Wade Casaldi

The question was why isn't everyone fully awakened. We would all everybody know everything.

(03 Dec '11, 01:48) Wade Casaldi
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