If a young child commits a crime or does something to hurt another human being, will that be held against them even when, as an adult, life is lived well and is spent in service to others?
asked 02 Jul '10, 07:35
Barry Allen ♦♦
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Yes, it will be held against them.
That is, if they hold it against themselves. And really - we tend to hold a lot against ourselves.
As you're into yoga, I trust you recognize that the idea of karma is basically 'cause and effect.' It is not that something is 'hold against' someone, as it is a fulfillment of "as within, so without." That is why in the Yoga Sutras of Pantanjali it is mentioned that the thoughts are important and not just the actions. Such as:
Of course, I don't agree with the idea of overcoming all desire any longer as I once did. Nonetheless.
(Right)Now, the 'within' can be changed. When that happens, the circumstances have to change too. Let me suggest a different wording. Instead of thinking of it being held against them, consider it as being held within them. That is more true to the case. And if it can be let go...well then it is no longer within. And what is not within cannot be without.
So - it needn't be held against them. But for so long as it is held within them it will continue to cause undesired circumstances in their life. That is just how our Universe operates.
answered 02 Jul '10, 08:20
Yoga Sutras of Pantanjali here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_Sutras_of_Patanjali
(02 Jul '10, 21:58) ursixx
I think Liam has said it very well here.
I think also your question highlights what happens when you start with faulty initial assumptions and then try to build a framework on them...you end up with all sorts of inconsistencies and contradictions and then you need to patch them up with more and more invented rules and regulations.
For example, your question (which is assuming the faulty assumption of Karma as punishment/reward) immediately raises questions like...
I wrote these questions in about the time that you've just taken to read them. And I could probably go on for a lot longer (if I could be bothered) coming up with more and more inconsistencies and contradictions.
So is it that Karma really is such a massively complicated (and non-understandable) system...or is it that it just doesn't work (or even exist) like people think it does?
In conjunction with this, you may also wish to consider the principle of Occam's Razor...the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
See also Reincarnation: Has it always to be Karmic? if you still want to read more of my annoying ramblings about why Karma doesn't exist :)
answered 02 Jul '10, 11:13
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