I want to start to learn and practise elemental magic but don't know where to start plus if there are any dangers, any advice is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

asked 08 Jan '13, 06:43

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There IS always going to be dangerous situations presented to You.If THAT IS what You chose.IT'S ALL Magic... Love and Light.

(08 Jan '13, 19:49) Roy
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Hello Jako

Elemental magic is easy and no more dangerous than everyday living ... in fact i consider that we all practice simple magic everyday without realizing it ... it's really all to do with consciously using our mind power that most of us use unconsciously. For example, when we think of someone in a good/bad way, we are automatically sending out good/bad vibrations to them.

We are communicating using these 27 symbols abcdefghijklm nopqrstuvwxyz. This string of symbols when arranged in a certain order allow us to convey ideas, images ... if i take this string of symbols, arrange them in writing on a piece of paper and in a certain order, then put them in a manifestation box, i can manifest things into my reality, is that not magic?

When we perform magic we use our sixth sense, the hidden parts of our mind, everyone has some experience with premonition, coincidences.

If you have people around you that are negative or depressed you can shield yourself against these influences ... there are many ways to do this; you can use a graphic shield, you can perform a more complicated ritual named the "lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram" ... here is a really good book that i often use "Down to Earth Magic" by Alan Steward ... have fun :)


answered 08 Jan '13, 09:20

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blubird two



Why is the blank tile between the m & n? Any particular reason?

I have that book - very simple explanation of what magick really is & how to apply.

(08 Jan '13, 23:26) ele

@ele- when we arrange the symbols a,b,c etc in a particular order so as to form words, we need blanks to separate them, we also need the blank (background/support) on which to form them, in other words we need the "existence" of letters and words, and the "non-existence" (in this case blanks) to form a circuit, this is necessary for any means of communication conform to yin and yang; it could be compared to the number zero in mathematics, a black hole in physics, a non vibration in music :)

(09 Jan '13, 03:19) blubird two


Great answer! I appreciate your response. I get it. I use the box method. I never looked at it in that way or even gave a thought to the why's or how's behind it. I'm aware of the universal concept; but it's easier (for me) just to believe in magic.

It wasn't my question. Other than splitting the alphabet in half (13, 4) - being you're the # guy. I thought you were going in a dif direction; thought there must be more. I was over analyzing a very simple concept.

(09 Jan '13, 04:38) ele


Wait . . . lol, you did answer my question. I should have realized the magical box (or magic) had to be in perfect harmony/ balance. Thank you. Pleasee forgive my blond moment.

(09 Jan '13, 04:39) ele

I refuse to be Jackie Paper!

(09 Jan '13, 04:54) ele

I'm never leaving Honah Lee! But I am off to bed. Nite!

(09 Jan '13, 04:55) ele

sorry... keep forgetting everyone isn't from my world...



sadly, my humor may be lost in translation.

(09 Jan '13, 05:00) ele

@ele The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lost_in_Translation ;)

(09 Jan '13, 06:58) ursixx

@Blubird two - Masterful answer! At first when you said "27 symbols" I was only thinking of 26! But I like the "circuit" idea and you place the space in the exact middle of the alphabet. It is really the "space", or zero that multiplies power. 1 or 10, or 100, or 1,000.

There is magick in the written word, more powerful in the spoken word, still more powerful in the rhymed word and most powerful in the sung word. Vibrations, all in the vibrations.

(09 Jan '13, 08:29) Dollar Bill

@blubird two - con't. And in the mathematics. I have always wanted to learn French because most of the really good mathematics texts are in French, which I don't read very well. I would suppose you have read some of them? Any recomendations about English translations that are faithful to the original texts? Bill

(09 Jan '13, 08:33) Dollar Bill

@Bill- i'm pretty useless at maths, i just use childish logic and like to feel the energy flowing ... similar to playing those sudoku puzzles, energy flowing from one square to another forming a complete unique combination circuit :)

(09 Jan '13, 08:54) blubird two


Why do you assume I was upset?

Life rule #1 Never assume.

In this case, your analysis is correct - I was upset with myself cause I was NOT connecting the dots at all - I was looking at it as scrabble.

My answer was 2.

Not to worry - it only lasted a moment - I can laugh at myself & often do.

I hoped to make others laugh too; did I fail?

Like your link. lol

Thanks for the consern. So far I've escaped the wihitecoats. I never stay upset more than a moment or 2 in time.

(09 Jan '13, 18:29) ele


After I left my meeting, it dawned on me what you meant. I sat in my car a long time just laughing. Your wisdom & humor confused me until I could just 'be'. Last night I took the time to post links & as soon as I did, I realized you were observing or would see this & you would have posted the Puff links. Am I right? I've been meaning to connect with you for various reasons & haven't had the time. I've read a lot of ursixx now. Just between me & you; I say this with all sinceri-

(10 Jan '13, 01:16) ele

@ursixx (cont)

ty, seriously, you are one of the nicest most genuine guys here. Now I've buttered you up; care if I steal one of your answers? lol! I wish to edit to add to an old answer of mine, when I didn't have the guts to say what I really felt. Your words sum up my feelings. I'll give you the credit.

I tried to say something really cute to WT once; only to realize he had to look it up & the humor was lost & could not be transmitted.

btw - I do know how to spell concern & when - dah!

(10 Jan '13, 01:22) ele

@ele learned rule:1 long time ago . ! I just liked the quote didn't mean it personally,just thought it was good (plus a B.Murray fan) and couldn't help myself when I saw movie title there.. @ele about the answer... take it :D btw I am flattered ,thanks for the butter

(10 Jan '13, 12:54) ursixx


Uh-oh! I used the dreaded word 'nice', isn't it a city in France? I know you knew what I meant. This is for the ones who think nice guys finish last or never get the girl. Nice, meaning a GOOD man, kind, 'beautiful' & w/o doubt, absolutely sexy. Not butter, fact, truth. Your wife is a lucky lady & so are your kids! Fan also, plus SNL & love, love Sheldon. Thanks; I'll only take what I need. Nice used to be a bad word. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080603013416AAyVizA

(10 Jan '13, 20:33) ele

@ele- Nice is a beautiful city bordering the mediterranean sea in the south of france, hot in summer and a mild micro climate in winter ... a great place but victim of it's popularity, full of tourists :)

(11 Jan '13, 02:50) blubird two

@ursixx - hope you got my TY. I may have typed your user name wrong. It will come back to you 10 fold or more & possibly in a very unexpected way. It appears I have met a numbers fairy. I am seeing 2's absolutely everywhere & I mean everywhere which gave me a very, very, very inspired idea. TY!

(12 Jan '13, 00:12) ele

@blu Nice sound nice, tourists or not. I'll be iced in for a few more days. I love the seclusion; but it severely limits outside activities. I live outside a very small town which depends on tourists. BTW, do you get my emails when I shorten your name?

(12 Jan '13, 00:16) ele
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The "Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram", by Isreal Regardie is an interesting book as well. To be effective, the Hebrew words, including the "Qabalistic Cross" should be said in the proper vibrations. If you are drawn to "Ceremonial Magic(K)" there are many books and rituals available.

Aliester Crowley (who coined the term "Magick" to distinguish between stage magicians and ceremonial work) has some very interesting work, but he had a very playful nature as well as a philosophy that I don't agree with, "If a man is a King, strike him. If he is truly a powerful person it won't hurt him. If he is not, it won't matter to you and he will be out of your way."

So proceed carefully with AC! A man of extremes.

"There is no sin, there is no gult and Just one Law, 'Do as Thou Wilt!'"

There are as many points of view as there are people, maybe more! There is One Power operating throughout the Universe. Call it what you will. IT doesn't care. IT does have consequences depending on how you decide to use it.

Like Bob Proctor says, "Electricity can be used to cook a man's meal; or it can be used to cook a man." The same with magick, magic, elemental magic, LOA, or whatever else you want to call IT.

We can't really be hurt, but we can imagine it.

This is an individual's choice. Their choice from within themselves.

For me, it is very simple. Align with that "Power" by seeking the Beauty around me. All Beauty comes from Source. Ugliness is where we get in the way of Source, when we pinch it off, and ONLY WE have the power to algn or pinch.

So if this is a question that is essentially Beauty or ugliness, it relates to esthetics.

Hmm, gotta spend some time with this idea.


answered 09 Jan '13, 08:23

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Dollar Bill

@Dollar Bill- surely by definition all comes from source, beauty and ugliness, good and bad ... the choice is ours ...

(09 Jan '13, 08:41) blubird two

I hate to see a ZERO by any dollar (user) sign. With a click of my ruby red nail I will make magick happen.

As well read as you are, I'm surprised you've never heard of blank space representing the connection to the invisible or the relevance of the circle.

But then I was playing Scrabble in my head!

(10 Jan '13, 02:15) ele

@Dollar Bill I used to study and practice the qabala calling angels. But after a while of doing it I felt like this is a waste of my time. That was the last I ever bothered with magick.

If we look at Crowley he did all kinds of magick, he was even called the beast. He still died just like any one else all he did is gone and when you really think of it a waste of time and pointless.

(10 Jan '13, 09:26) Wade Casaldi

@Wade Casaldi - Yeah, Crowley did die, broke and broken - a physical and mental wreck, a serious waste of a possibly good mind. He had a very warped outlook. I think that many people, including Crowley himslf would agree with your estimation of his life. Wasted and pointless.

Someone came to a program where he was speaking. They went up to him and asked him if he was AC, He replied, "I am his worst enemy." Perhaps spoken in jest, perhaps in truth.

(10 Jan '13, 18:19) Dollar Bill

@Dollar Bill-on the subject of the LBRP and AC, the LBRC is a bit like taking a pill to cure a headache, it relieves the pain but it doen't cure the underlying problem ... to journey safely in the "higher realms" requires balance, humility, love and hope ... practicing magic can give rise to delusions of power: what i think he means by "i am his worst enemy" is that his delusions, the ever increasing energy of his high magic and its' boomerang effect eventually destroyed him.

(12 Jan '13, 07:25) blubird two

@bluebird two - I think that he meant, we are all our worst enemy. Only we, ourselves, can pinch off our good. Likewise, we are our best friends as well.

I had thought of the LBRP as a circle of protection while doing workings. A little similar to the Celtic WICCA "Cone of Power".

But don't see we need that concept anymore. There are better ways to effect.

(12 Jan '13, 17:33) Dollar Bill
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@Jako - why on earth, or anyplace else, would you want to learn elemental magic?

  1. Ask @mastermind2 and listen carefully.
  2. If you absolutely MUST learn about this possibly, probably, dangerous subject, read Aliester Crowley's "Magick Without Tears."

answered 08 Jan '13, 08:07

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I think mastermind2 is beginning to see the light & starting to appreciate the power of magickal thinking.

(08 Jan '13, 23:31) ele
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